SyracuseFan.com Rutgers Myopia

[SyracuseAl]

Whenever there's yet another "Rutgers-obsessed" thread, I feel a little like Michael Corleone;"Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in".
Again, I've never quite understood the Rutgers-based obsesssion by some people on this board- call me old skool, but they've never been a rival in my eyes.
At this point, I'm convinced we'll be in the thick of ACC competition and someone, somehow, in some bizarre way, will still feel it necessary to relate it to Rutgers...and their schedule...or facilities...or coaches...etc etc
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This by definition is a rivalry. Obsession with an opponent even when we are not playing them makes them our rivals. I would for one like to play them a few more times so we can beat them and end the rivalry. Right now we look like the losers.

 

[Townie72]

This by definition is a rivalry. Obsession with an opponent even when we are not playing them makes them our rivals. I would for one like to play them a few more times so we can beat them and end the rivalry. Right now we look like the losers.

Actually, you are creating your own criteria for what a rivalry is and then saying that RU v. SU fits it. Clever, but it won't work.

I seriously doubt if many SU fans have that same definition for a "rivalry". Your bar is way, way too low.

A rivalry in my definition is a team that should you beat them and lose a significant number of the other games, your season is at least a qualified success. And that if you lose to them, regardless of how many other games you win, the season is a qualified failure. And that if you lose to you rival too many times, that's grounds for dismissing the coach.

SU vs. Georgetown in the 1980's was a real rivalry.

The SU reaction to Rutgers is because they have been a noisy annoyance not a real rival. They have wanted SU as a rival because they wanted to hitchhike on our traditions because their real traditional rivals, Lehigh and Lafayette wouldn't give them any cache at all.

And because Rutgers has been so long identified as being terrible, its maddening for SU fans to see us behind them in the standings or to lose games to what has been for decades, the Conference doormat.

Rutgers has never been an SU rival. And will never be in the forseeable future.

 

[SWC75]

In the four years of the Marrone Era Syracuse has out-scored Rutgers 75-65. They have out-rushed them 492-285, out-passed them 950-664 and outgained them 1442-949. SU had 77 first downs to 63 for Rutgers. We've had 24 penalties for 189 yards. They've had 28 penalties for 183 yards. What's evened it up for them is that we had 12 turnovers to 7 for them, (12-5 in the last three games). We blew them out the first time, just scraped by the second and gave away the last two games.

Just sayin'.

 

[PoppyHart]

Actually, you are creating your own criteria for what a rivalry is and then saying that RU v. SU fits it. Clever, but it won't work.

I seriously doubt if many SU fans have that same definition for a "rivalry". Your bar is way, way too low.

A rivalry in my definition is a team that should you beat them and lose a significant number of the other games, your season is at least a qualified success. And that if you lose to them, regardless of how many other games you win, the season is a qualified failure. And that if you lose to you rival too many times, that's grounds for dismissing the coach.

SU vs. Georgetown in the 1980's was a real rivalry.

The SU reaction to Rutgers is because they have been a noisy annoyance not a real rival. They have wanted SU as a rival because they wanted to hitchhike on our traditions because their real traditional rivals, Lehigh and Lafayette wouldn't give them any cache at all.

And because Rutgers has been so long identified as being terrible, its maddening for SU fans to see us behind them in the standings or to lose games to what has been for decades, the Conference doormat.

Rutgers has never been an SU rival. And will never be in the forseeable future.

Was 1987 basketball a qualified failure? We lost to Georgetown 3 times.

 

[RMH44]

In the four years of the Marrone Era Syracuse has out-scored Rutgers 75-65. They have out-rushed them 492-285, out-passed them 950-664 and outgained them 1442-949. SU had 77 first downs to 63 for Rutgers. We've had 24 penalties for 189 yards. They've had 28 penalties for 183 yards. What's evened it up for them is that we had 12 turnovers to 7 for them, (12-5 in the last three games). We blew them out the first time, just scraped by the second and gave away the last two games.

Just sayin'.

Wow...great analysis. Puts things in perspective. Well done.

EDIT: You might consider these stats when calling in your question to HCDM this week.

 

[SWC75]

Actually, you are creating your own criteria for what a rivalry is and then saying that RU v. SU fits it. Clever, but it won't work.

I seriously doubt if many SU fans have that same definition for a "rivalry". Your bar is way, way too low.

A rivalry in my definition is a team that should you beat them and lose a significant number of the other games, your season is at least a qualified success. And that if you lose to them, regardless of how many other games you win, the season is a qualified failure. And that if you lose to you rival too many times, that's grounds for dismissing the coach.

SU vs. Georgetown in the 1980's was a real rivalry.

The SU reaction to Rutgers is because they have been a noisy annoyance not a real rival. They have wanted SU as a rival because they wanted to hitchhike on our traditions because their real traditional rivals, Lehigh and Lafayette wouldn't give them any cache at all.

And because Rutgers has been so long identified as being terrible, its maddening for SU fans to see us behind them in the standings or to lose games to what has been for decades, the Conference doormat.

Rutgers has never been an SU rival. And will never be in the forseeable future.

I think that if we'd stayed in the Big East, Syracuse-Connecticut-Rutgers could have developed into a good three way rivalry. Those schools, in effect, would be reprsenting the "East" in the conference. I'd like to have a true rivalry with team(s) that want to beat us more than anybody else and vice versa. It would add a lot of interest. But we are on to other things, for better or worse.

 

[MadNY3]

I would suggest that all future posts on Rutgers, be put on some other board. This is my 1st and last post on them, we're going to the ACC, and they aren't so I don't care about them.

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[RMH44]

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Dam, that must of took at least an hour.

 

[Townie72]

Was 1987 basketball a qualified failure? We lost to Georgetown 3 times.

Hey, Poppy ... How is it that you remember that factoid? You seem to make my point. Those loses are at least a stain on that season. If it had been Pitt, would you have remembered?

 

[PoppyHart]

Hey, Poppy ... How is it that you remember that factoid? You seem to make my point. Those loses are at least a stain on that season. If it had been Pitt, would you have remembered?

Awww, so cute with the bold.

Just pointing out that there's no one size fits all definition. You seem to poo poo SyracuseAl's criteria, and then simply go on to create your own.

BTW, I remember a lot of things. If you were a good fan, you'd probably know a little more about SU sports.

 

[SWC75]

Wow...great analysis. Puts things in perspective. Well done.

EDIT: You might consider these stats when calling in your question to HCDM this week.

I won't be talking about Rutgers. I knew my question leaving the Dome:

"Coach, last year, we struggled to win some early season games and then played lights-out against West Virginia. Coach Mac used to say that the players listen to you better after a win. I thought the West Virginia game would give the players a vision of what can be accomplished when you do things the way the coaches want you to and that we'd play at or close to that level the rest of the season. Why didn't that happen and what are the reasons to think it will happen this year?"

 

[mountaincuse]

I won't be talking about Rutgers.

Hey! Someone who gets it! Thanks SWC.

 

[SUATO92]

Can the mods make a separate link for Big East nostalgia so that OPA and all the others who wish to dwell in the past do their circle j*rk there?:blah:

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Rutgers did their own "Hard Knocks" this offseason and aired it on the SNY channel as a 2 hour special. Total behind the scenes look. I saw their facilities. Slightly better than SU's but not by much in all honesty.

Again you need to get out more, I highly doubt you have walked both facilities, I have and they are night and day. My good buddy from Ithaca is a Rutgers alum, whose parents still both are profs there, walked the facilities this summer prior to the NYC tri..it's not even close and you are talking out your arse

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Bees you are such a homer and blinded in your dislike for all things Rutgers. You can beat teams with more talent at times but it still does not change the fact that Rutgers has much better talent than we do as well as facilities and has out recruited us. Lets keep an eye on the NFL draft the next few years, see if Rutgers has more draft picks or Syracuse. Care to wager there? Talent is talent right, should be pretty close for Syracuse and Rutgers? I bet. Again you are a complete homer, get a clue

 

[Franz69]

The Rutgers program is a mirage, built on yearly creampuff schedules. They make themselves look respectable playing nobody year in and year out and attract gullible recruits with crappy bowl appearances and false promises of national championships. Their time is running out, considering the awful conference they will be stuck in and they will be a mere afterthought soon enough.

 

[rrlbees]

Bees you are such a homer and blinded in your dislike for all things Rutgers. You can beat teams with more talent at times but it still does not change the fact that Rutgers has much better talent than we do as well as facilities and has out recruited us. Lets keep an eye on the NFL draft the next few years, see if Rutgers has more draft picks or Syracuse. Care to wager there? Talent is talent right, should be pretty close for Syracuse and Rutgers? I bet. Again you are a complete homer, get a clue

Cybil, you should read SWC's post comparing the 4 games. Plus watch the games, not the stars.

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[SyracuseAl]

In the four years of the Marrone Era Syracuse has out-scored Rutgers 75-65. They have out-rushed them 492-285, out-passed them 950-664 and outgained them 1442-949. SU had 77 first downs to 63 for Rutgers. We've had 24 penalties for 189 yards. They've had 28 penalties for 183 yards. What's evened it up for them is that we had 12 turnovers to 7 for them, (12-5 in the last three games). We blew them out the first time, just scraped by the second and gave away the last two games.

Just sayin'.

Reading all your posts one thing is clear. You are evidence that statistics can be manipulated to prove any point, but the W-L record does not lie. We are 2-2 against them the past 4 years and more than 1 week after losing to them we are still talking about them in one of the longest thread on our website. Did we talk this much about another team (not the game) but the team itself this year?

 

[DoctorBombay]

This by definition is a rivalry. Obsession with an opponent even when we are not playing them makes them our rivals. I would for one like to play them a few more times so we can beat them and end the rivalry. Right now we look like the losers.

Ugggh.
Obsessing over a program that's on the upswing simply because your own is on the down-swing, is not a rivalry...that's just being pathetic.
It's like the good-looking HS girl, who suddenly starts pining over the acknowledged school LOSER, because his parents brought him a shiny new car. It diminishes her alot more than it elevates him.
Obsessing over the likes of Rutgers is demeaning...willfully demeaning to the SU program.
Its a bizarre form of self-hatred, IMO.

 

[Townie72]

Awww, so cute with the bold.

Just pointing out that there's no one size fits all definition. You seem to poo poo SyracuseAl's criteria, and then simply go on to create your own.

BTW, I remember a lot of things. If you were a good fan, you'd probably know a little more about SU sports.

You apparently can't tell the difference between the SU relationship with GU and the one with Rutgiz. So much for your fandom.

 

[Townie72]

Reading all your posts one thing is clear. You are evidence that statistics can be manipulated to prove any point, but the W-L record does not lie. We are 2-2 against them the past 4 years and more than 1 week after losing to them we are still talking about them in one of the longest thread on our website. Did we talk this much about another team (not the game) but the team itself this year?

But it's not because they are a rival. It's because they are an indicator of the health of our program.

 

[SyracuseAl]

But it's not because they are a rival. It's because they are an indicator of the health of our program.

If they are not a rival why are we obsessing over losing to them?

 

[PoppyHart]

You apparently can't tell the difference between the SU relationship with GU and the one with Rutgiz. So much for your fandom.

Has nothing to do with that, and everything do with not buying into your definition of rivalry.

I just don't believe that 1987 was tainted (or a qualified failure to use your vernacular).

Using your benchmark, our 2003 season was similarly marred (I'm sorry, a qualified failure) as well, b/c of the loss to UCONN. Much more so than our losses to, say... a last place Rutgers at the RAC. In my view, the latter loss stung more.

 

[SWC75]

Reading all your posts one thing is clear. You are evidence that statistics can be manipulated to prove any point, but the W-L record does not lie. We are 2-2 against them the past 4 years and more than 1 week after losing to them we are still talking about them in one of the longest thread on our website. Did we talk this much about another team (not the game) but the team itself this year?

And how did I "manipulate" them in this case? I just listed yards gained, first downs, penalties, turnovers and points. We were ahead in all of them, (including the turnovers), in yards way ahead. I didn't even offer an interpetation, since it seemed to me that none was even needed.

 

[FAL]

i guess you never got the memo on this...
http://www.dailytargum.com/opinion/...cle_6300a63e-fe17-11e1-a4ff-001a4bcf6878.html

as for a good part of your post,I think you are just looking for attention

Ya think??????