SyracuseFan.com Rutgers Myopia

[Bayside44]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #15 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE, Big 10, and ACC except Florida ST at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

Then go away.

ACC, ACC, ACC.

BTW, homecoming against Kent State?

ACC, ACC, ACC.

 

[Townie72]

You have been saying the same thing for years now yet our program keeps getting stronger. The conference shifting is no where near finished and will continue for years.

Ofcourse if you lose a game and you are highly ranked you will fall sharply in the polls. No secret there but atleast we are a player in the national standing as of today.

Our goal is to win the BE and go to the BCS though...

Getting stronger? Hardly. Since 2006 up until this year, it seemed to me you had gotten weaker.

The $26 million Rutgers athletic program is bleeding from the students and the taxpayers is an affront.

And how do you know conference shifting will go on for years? You have some special inside information like those half-wits on the RU board who were "guaranteeing" the RU would be selected by the Big Ten?

The ACC expanded twice. No Rutgers
The Big 12 expanded - No Rutgers
The Big Ten expanded - No Rutgers

See a pattern here?

You only chance to escape oblivion is that conference expansion will continue and continue to finally you are chosen. So that's what you predict or say or guarantee will happen.

 

[hinson32]

To be fair, the Cuse game was our lowest home attendance of the year. You do have to take into account the competition.

 

[OrangeMojo]

To be fair, the Cuse game was our lowest home attendance of the year. You do have to take into account the competition.

SU is an FBS team and was 2-3 at the time, which easily makes them one of the best teams on your schedule, so that excuse doesn't fly

 

[DoctorBombay]

This entire thread is proof positive why the Rutgers Obsession is the most stupid thing some SU fans have ever undertaken.
Personally, I have no ill will towards RU- but to give them the benefit of rival status just seems so needy to me.
The classic Syracuse insecurity rears its ugly head every time the word Rutgers is uttered by a clueless SU fan.
Again, we don't care or fret about UConn, Pitt, WVU...programs that have EARNED the status of "rival"...but some pathetic fans wanna go apoplectic about Rutgers???? Really? :bang:

 

[orangecuse]

To be fair, the Cuse game was our lowest home attendance of the year. You do have to take into account the competition.

How cordial. It will be interesting to see attendance when all your heavy weights come to visit. Oh wait, there isn't anymore Patriot League teams on your schedule this year. :noidea:

 

[RRRUUU]

Getting stronger? Hardly. Since 2006 up until this year, it seemed to me you had gotten weaker.

The $26 million Rutgers athletic program is bleeding from the students and the taxpayers is an affront.

And how do you know conference shifting will go on for years? You have some special inside information like those half-wits on the RU board who were "guaranteeing" the RU would be selected by the Big Ten?

The ACC expanded twice. No Rutgers
The Big 12 expanded - No Rutgers
The Big Ten expanded - No Rutgers

See a pattern here?

You only chance to escape oblivion is that conference expansion will continue and continue to finally you are chosen. So that's what you predict or say or guarantee will happen.

Compared to most large state schools with D1 football programs our football budget is on point. For years we underfunded the program and tried to compete at a D1 level with a D2 budget. We are finally funding the program adequately. As an aside the Flood hire was a great financial move for the program(saving over a million dollars annually).

Nothing is guaranteed but judging by what has gone on over the last decade in college football the landscape is constantly changing. There is nothing new which suggests this won't continue. Our facilities are great, our recruiting is going very well and we are having success on the field. All we can do is win and everything else will most likely take care of itself...

 

[DoctorBombay]

Compared to most large state schools with D1 football programs our football budget is on point. For years we underfunded the program and tried to compete at a D1 level with a D2 budget. We are finally funding the program adequately. As an aside the Flood hire was a great financial move for the program(saving over a million dollars annually).

Nothing is guaranteed but judging by what has gone on over the last decade in college football the landscape is constantly changing. There is nothing new which suggests this won't continue. Our facilities are great, our recruiting is going very well and we are having success on the field. All we can do is win and everything else will most likely take care of itself...

 

[PoppyHart]

Obsession?

Absofreakinlutely!

 

[RRRUUU]

Having a conversation on a public message board on a Rutgers thread talking college football...

Isn't that the point

 

[DoctorBombay]

Having a conversation on a public message board on a Rutgers thread talking college football...

Isn't that the point

 

[Townie72]

Compared to most large state schools with D1 football programs our football budget is on point. For years we underfunded the program and tried to compete at a D1 level with a D2 budget. We are finally funding the program adequately. As an aside the Flood hire was a great financial move for the program(saving over a million dollars annually).

Nothing is guaranteed but judging by what has gone on over the last decade in college football the landscape is constantly changing. There is nothing new which suggests this won't continue. Our facilities are great, our recruiting is going very well and we are having success on the field. All we can do is win and everything else will most likely take care of itself...

Pure wishful thinking driven by the seriousness of the Rutgers situation

Wishful Thinking Point #1 - "There is nothing that says this won't continue".

HA! - Nor is there anything that says it will continue. In fact most of the news is the conference's saying they won't expand further. (which is dismissed as "lies" by the fans of the desperate schools left out)

Wishful Thinking Point #2 - "the landscape is constantly changing"

Let's see, since 2003, in the Eastern half of the US, the Big Ten expanded once. The ACC expanded twice. The SEC expanded once and the Big 12 expanded once. And these few events are somehow a constant state of change?

Wishful Thinking Point #3 - "everything else will most likely take care of itself".

I think it's more likely that the taxpayers of NJ are going to start wondering about that $26 million a year being squandered on a program that the great majority of them don't care about. This is more likely than some miracle that is going to rescue the RU-tanic.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Obsession?

Absofreakinlutely!

 

[dollarbill44]

To be fair, the Cuse game was our lowest home attendance of the year. You do have to take into account the competition.

But, but, but, aren't SU and RU BIG rivals????

True rivalries sell out or nearly sell out, even when both teams are bad. But go ahead "Scarlet Nation" and use your logic to argue both sides of the coin.

 

[storange]

The group think on this board is a very interesting subject.

For many issues there develops a conventional wisdom that becomes SyracuseFan.com law.

I think the perception of Rutgers on this board falls into that category.

There is Rutgers Myopia that is quite remarkable.

Most on this board seem to want to view Rutgers as if time stood still during the Graber/Shea years.

What most fail to recognize is that even during those years heavy investments were being made in the Rutgers Program. And those investments were more much bigger than the investments that were being made in the Syracuse Program.

I was there for the SU game in 1987 when Rutgers Stadium was pretty much a glorified high school stadium.That changed during the Graber years. The stadium was renovated and was pretty impressive. I recall thinking that it looked like a mini-Giants Stadium. And the investments in practice facilities educational support and recruiting continued during those years.

Remember - Greg Schiano arrived in Piscataway twelve years ago.When he arrived the investments became bigger and bigger.

So, right now the investment in the Rutgers program has been going on for nearly 20 years.

The investment in our program has been going on for about eight years.

It should not be surprising then that Rutgers is ahead of us.

Now, I do not purport to be an x and o guy - I don't know football strategy beyond the basics that most fans know. But, I was an athlete my whole life and I feel I have a decent ability to assess athletic ability.

I was at the game last week in NJ. I was lucky enough to sit a few rows off the field. I saw both teams up close.

I can assure you, the Rutgers team is far more physical and more athletic than our team. They are taller, stronger, and faster. From my vantage point - despite our strong effort - both of our lines were out-muscled during the game. Our WRs were blanketed by the the Rutgers LBs and DBs. The Rutgers defense hit hard - much harder than our defense hit. That's why we turned the ball over and Rutgers didn't. Nova was simply not exposed to the pressure that Nassib was forced to face through the entire game.

On the offensive side, the Rutgers WR, Colemen - the 6' 6" 220 pounds - is a physical freak - a dominant player - whom we could not cover. We were frankly lucky that Nova missed him by inches a few times. And he is not the only one of those kinds of players on the Rutgers roster. They have a bunch of them. The Rutgers TE - 6' 5 and 250 pounds played like a WR last week - he has speed, strength and agility.

I suspect that if you review the two teams carefully you will learn that Rutgers has more four star players than we do - that Rutgers has more highly rated players out of HS than we do - and that Rutgers has recruited more of those kinds of players than we have for many years now.

Don't get me wrong. Take away the mistakes - many caused by the pressure applied by Rutgers - and we obviously have a chance to win the game.

And don't get me wrong, we are investing and are getting better and better and have a better product to sell - the great Syracuse University Football Tradition.

But the presumption that many have on this board seem to have and have had for awhile now - that we have as much talent as Rutgers - is the essence of a social network myopia.

Not sure where you are seeing this big talent gap...last yeasr we win if AB doesnt cough up thew football in OT. This year we have great chance to win if not for a couple UNFORCED TOs Rutgers is decent and has a chance to win a very mediocre Remnant BE . I believe when they meet a legitimate top 15 type team they will get beat soundly. I Louisville and Rutgers are a tossup and I think an improving Orange squad has a legitimate chance of beating the Cards. Sligh talent edge for Rutgers OK big gap NO WAY

 

[Chip]

According to ESPN RU has 18 guys in the league, we have 14, but they counted TJax.

FWIW, those WRs on RU were monsters, but their QB play was rather generic against us.

I'm so mad at posting in this thread, need to ban myself. But anytime I hear that one team has more talent than the other team, I wouldn't think that the more talented team only had 237 yards of offense and one long scoring drive against the less talented team.

I get that their defense is good. I get that they made a huge play on specials (on a bad, low kick). But reading some of this thread makes me wonder why I watch the games if I clearly don't know what I'm looking at. People are acting like the team in red was Alabama.

Like you said, Rutgers has really big WRs. But they couldn't run the ball like they do on others. And gave their QB about a 3 second clock before he had to throw it somewhere, anywhere. That's not typically how the "more talented" team operates.

 

[Townie72]

But, but, but, aren't SU and RU BIG rivals????

True rivalries sell out or nearly sell out, even when both teams are bad. But go ahead "Scarlet Nation" and use your logic to argue both sides of the coin.

Bill - The only rivalry that exists here is the embers that burn in the hearts of the Rutgers crowds that watched SU teams decimate Rutgers teams through the 1990's. And there aren't a lot of them because those crowds never got much above 20,000.

That 20,000 is the true baseline size of the "Scarlet Nation". A very small "nation" indeed. It's the Luxemberg of college football "nations".

The majority of Rutgers fans discovered college football a few years ago. They couldn't get or afford NY Giant tickets, so this was the next best alternative.

 

[Scooch]

I'm so mad at posting in this thread, need to ban myself. But anytime I hear that one team has more talent than the other team, I wouldn't think that the more talented team only had 237 yards of offense and one long scoring drive against the less talented team.

I get that their defense is good. I get that they made a huge play on specials (on a bad, low kick). But reading some of this thread makes me wonder why I watch the games if I clearly don't know what I'm looking at. People are acting like the team in red was Alabama.

Like you said, Rutgers has really big WRs. But they couldn't run the ball like they do on others. And gave their QB about a 3 second clock before he had to throw it somewhere, anywhere. That's not typically how the "more talented" team operates.

"More talented" is a coach's...

 

[IthacaBarrel]

again people lets follow the draft the next 3 years and see where we are at.. Anyone want to bet who has more draft picks? We may have 2-3, they will have 8-9.

 

[Moontan]

Also, SU leads in BE titles 1-0.

Make that 4-0.
And that's just football...

 

[Chip]

again people lets follow the draft the next 3 years and see where we are at.. Anyone want to bet who has more draft picks? We may have 2-3, they will have 8-9.

I guess I'll stop using the word "talent", it's so subjective anyway, might as well be part of the Presidential debate tonight. Just state your case, you're not really wrong.

Question is who has the better football team. Answer is they do this year, because they won. But not by much.

When you read this thread, especially its initial post, you would think we didn't belong on the field and should have lost by 3-4 TDs.

 

[HtownOrange]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #15 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE, Big 10, and ACC except Florida ST at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

Disagree with your first point. The whole CFB world would know Vandy caught Bama while they were down. Ergo the CFB world knows Rutgers won a few games while Syracuse was down.

You present yourself as more a legend in your own mind. Perhaps you'll check the history, you know, the Rutger's history pre-2006.

Congrats on 7-0, impressive. You can beat Pop Warner teams, powder puff girls teams and get lucky against a small fry, your words, not mine, Syracuse team. By your own reckoning, Rutgers shouldn't be ranked. Which is it? If Rutgers deserves the ranking, Syracuse must be a decent team. If Syracuse sucks, then Rutgers opposition should disqualify them from being ranked.

P.S. Do you really believe that Rutgers will beat FSU or Clemson in the Orange Bowl? Assuming you can even get there.

 

[rrlbees]

again people lets follow the draft the next 3 years and see where we are at.. Anyone want to bet who has more draft picks? We may have 2-3, they will have 8-9.

Which doesn't equate 1-1 to playing a college football game. Want to put together a list of very good to great college players that never sniff the NFL even if they got drafted?

Again, if we don't have comparable or better talent than them, we don't kick their ass up and down the field all day the last 2 years. And there is no denying we did that.

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[rrlbees]

The only reason you even got within one score and a two point conversion is because our back up kicker missed an extra point.

We played an excellent game on D and specials and won the game when your team knew exactly what we were going to try and do yet couldn't stop us. That means we beat you plain and simple.

We forced the turnovers and blocked a kick like we have done in 5/7 games thus far.

Just admit it and man up...

You didn't even way the game sis you? An unforced error and a bad call that had nothing to do with rutgirls, and the score is closer to the ass kicking you took all day. Stats may not equate to wins and losses because mistakes have a role, but they sure can indicate who dominated the game.

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[HtownOrange]

You didn't even way the game sis you? An unforced error and a bad call that had nothing to do with rutgirls, and the score is closer to the ass kicking you took all day. Stats may not equate to wins and losses because mistakes have a role, but they sure can indicate who dominated the game.

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Bees, don't bother using logic. The guy can't even admit that Rutger played football before 2006, well, claimed to have played football, anyway. Since his knowledge is extremely limited, as well as his research, he probably cannot understand that sometimes a team gets lucky. Now, naturally, Rutgers was not dominated, though we had 200 yards offense more than Rutgers, and they needed help from incompetent officials as well as an unforced turn over to beat Syracuse, so, no, luck had nothing to do with Rutgers' win.