SyracuseFan.com Rutgers Myopia

[IthacaBarrel]

Cybil, you should read SWC's post comparing the 4 games. Plus watch the games, not the stars.

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I watched the game homer..I know what I saw. I just don't buy into your bs. Watch the draft the next few years and let me know. Rutgers has more talent, plain and simple. Your blinded by your dislike. Get out if Syracuse once in awhile whole new works out there.

I will revisit this post in the next few years April and you will backtrack...or continue to bury your head in the sand. You just sound foolish

 

[SUATO92]

I watched the game homer..I know what I saw. I just don't buy into your bs. Watch the draft the next few years and let me know. Rutgers has more talent, plain and simple. Your blinded by your dislike. Get out if Syracuse once in awhile whole new works out there.

I will revisit this post in the next few years April and you will backtrack...or continue to bury your head in the sand. You just sound foolish

You're still going to be obsessing over Rutgers in a few seasons? Can you at least take it to their board and leave the rest of us in peace?

 

[Bayside44]

According to ESPN RU has 18 guys in the league, we have 14, but they counted TJax.

FWIW, those WRs on RU were monsters, but their QB play was rather generic against us.

 

[rrlbees]

I watched the game homer..I know what I saw. I just don't buy into your bs. Watch the draft the next few years and let me know. Rutgers has more talent, plain and simple. Your blinded by your dislike. Get out if Syracuse once in awhile whole new works out there.

I will revisit this post in the next few years April and you will backtrack...or continue to bury your head in the sand. You just sound foolish

We kicked their ass up and down the field this year. We kicked their ass up and down the field last year. To do that, you have to have talent that is comparable or better. Did they win 2 of the last 4? Yes because stats and kicking someone ass up and down the field doesn't always win games. Turnovers, mistakes and bad decisions play a role. We handed them both games. Ask Hackett who you now fawn over but wanted canned last year. A blocker falling down that causes a blocked kick and leads to a TD doesn't mean a Pugh isn't talented.

As to the NFL. Big deal what happens. That is based upon NFL projected potential. Not completely what a kid does in college. If it was, a kid like Derrell Smith would be there playing. Great college talent but doesn't project as an NFL player as a MLB.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Stars do not equal talent and SU has comparable talent and showed it on the field the last 2 years.

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[PoppyHart]

As an aside, if we indeed have top-15 talent, isn't that a major indictment of our coaching staff?

 

[Stern]

Again you need to get out more, I highly doubt you have walked both facilities, I have and they are night and day. My good buddy from Ithaca is a Rutgers alum, whose parents still both are profs there, walked the facilities this summer prior to the NYC tri..it's not even close and you are talking out your arse

Not at all. I believe you are giving Rutgers far too much credit for what they have.

 

[Dcuse]

" I was an athlete my whole life and I feel I have a decent ability to assess athletic ability."

" both of our lines were out-muscled during the game."

These two lines were my entertainment for the weekend. Anybody who witnessed that game- and I don't give a damn if you were at home on your TV, at a bar,in the stands or if you were a referee on the field- and thought their OL outmuscled us should be assessing ice dancing or nothing.

 

[rrlbees]

As an aside, if we indeed have top-15 talent, isn't that a major indictment of our coaching staff?

Who said we have top 15 talent? We don't.

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[SyracuseAl]

And how did I "manipulate" them in this case? I just listed yards gained, first downs, penalties, turnovers and points. We were ahead in all of them, (including the turnovers), in yards way ahead. I didn't even offer an interpetation, since it seemed to me that none was even needed.

Your evaluation of the numbers is not accurate. Even though we beat teams in yards, you neglect to account for the fact that we are down at halftime to some of those teams and are forced to throw the ball more often ad teams are playing more of a "prevent" defense. We also dont have a good power rush game so even though we can accumulate a lot of yards, we have a harder time scoring in the red zone because people sit back in coverage waiting for us to throw.

We lose the turnover battle not because we make stupid mistakes. We have more turnovers due to the lack of playmakers on the team and lack of talent on the team.

 

[rrlbees]

Your evaluation of the numbers is not accurate. Even though we beat teams in yards, you neglect to account for the fact that we are down at halftime to some of those teams and are forced to throw the ball more often ad teams are playing more of a "prevent" defense. We also dont have a good power rush game so even though we can accumulate a lot of yards, we have a harder time scoring in the red zone because people sit back in coverage waiting for us to throw.

We lose the turnover battle not because we make stupid mistakes. We have more turnovers due to the lack of playmakers on the team and lack of talent on the team.

SEC didn't evaluate anything. He just laid out the facts. And not all turnovers are created equal. We likely lost to rutgirls, whose ass we kicked on the field, due to a future NFL lineman slipping and falling and missing a block. We had a fumble against rutgers that cost us 7 points that wasn't a fumble. There's 14 points right there. So do those 2 turnovers have anything to do with talent?

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[Cadillac]

Not ready to anoint their new coach, even though their old guy brought in a lot of talent he had ADD and squandered a lot of it IMO.

They're having a good season. Doesn't bother me to say it, I suppose I'm over them.

 

[Townie72]

If they are not a rival why are we obsessing over losing to them?

Let me go slow.

Losing to a historical doormat like Rutgers really gets to those SU fans that remember when they were an absolute doormat (for decades). The attention that SU fans pay to Rutgers is really based with in the dissatisfaction they feel with the SU program using a traditional have-not as the basis.

If Rutgers loses UConn or WVU or whoever, SU fans barely notice.

The Paul Pasqualoni loss to Rutgers (1-10) in 1999 didn't make the SU fan base restless because Rutgers was a rival. It upset people because Rutgers was the bottom of the NCAA football barrel.

Suppose Alabama were to start losing games to Vanderbilt. Would that elevate Vanderbilt to a rivalry status with Alabama? I doubt that.

Rutgers fans have tried to stoke or create a rivalry with SU because they have never had a real rival and want to get one because as a new fan base they think they should have one.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Let me go slow.

Losing to a historical doormat like Rutgers really gets to those SU fans that remember when they were an absolute doormat (for decades). The attention that SU fans pay to Rutgers is really based with in the dissatisfaction they feel with the SU program using a traditional have-not as the basis.

If Rutgers loses UConn or WVU or whoever, SU fans barely notice.

The Paul Pasqualoni loss to Rutgers (1-10) in 1999 didn't make the SU fan base restless because Rutgers was a rival. It upset people because Rutgers was the bottom of the NCAA football barrel.

Suppose Alabama were to start losing games to Vanderbilt. Would that elevate Vanderbilt to a rivalry status with Alabama? I doubt that.

Rutgers fans have tried to stoke or create a rivalry with SU because they have never had a real rival and want to get one because as a new fan base they think they should have one.

 

[RRRUUU]

SEC didn't evaluate anything. He just laid out the facts. And not all turnovers are created equal. We likely lost to rutgirls, whose ass we kicked on the field, due to a future NFL lineman slipping and falling and missing a block. We had a fumble against rutgers that cost us 7 points that wasn't a fumble. There's 14 points right there. So do those 2 turnovers have anything to do with talent?

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The only reason you even got within one score and a two point conversion is because our back up kicker missed an extra point.

We played an excellent game on D and specials and won the game when your team knew exactly what we were going to try and do yet couldn't stop us. That means we beat you plain and simple.

We forced the turnovers and blocked a kick like we have done in 5/7 games thus far.

Just admit it and man up...

 

[orangecuse]

Let me go slow.

Losing to a historical doormat like Rutgers really gets to those SU fans that remember when they were an absolute doormat (for decades). The attention that SU fans pay to Rutgers is really based with in the dissatisfaction they feel with the SU program using a traditional have-not as the basis.

If Rutgers loses UConn or WVU or whoever, SU fans barely notice.

The Paul Pasqualoni loss to Rutgers (1-10) in 1999 didn't make the SU fan base restless because Rutgers was a rival. It upset people because Rutgers was the bottom of the NCAA football barrel.

Suppose Alabama were to start losing games to Vanderbilt. Would that elevate Vanderbilt to a rivalry status with Alabama? I doubt that.

Rutgers fans have tried to stoke or create a rivalry with SU because they have never had a real rival and want to get one because as a new fan base they think they should have one.

Interesting debate, and I think it really depends on one's own thinking/point of view of what defines rival. Does it really matter that Rutgers were doormats for decades of yesteryear? The fact is, they are relevant today, and, objectively, it's immaterial as to why.

As a Browns fan, they have stunk now for many years and I doubt there are many 'ol Steeler fans getting razzled about playing them anymore. The main reason I believe is that in order for a true rivalry to exist, each team has to beat each other, at least on occasion. I can't recall the last time the Browns beat the Steelers, so I'm sure Steeler fans don't really think it's really a rival game anymore, not until the Browns can start beating them and their fans take notice again.

What about UConn hoops? I recall when they stunk, the Perno years, etc. I remember being in the Dome when Buffalo's own, Cliff Robinson, hit the big free throw to get UConn a win. SU fans were in disbelief that such a 'non-rival' pathetically historic team could come into the Dome and get the W...UConn is now considered a major rival, their poor ancient history is really irrelevant. They've beaten us on a regular basis and that's what really fuels the fire imo, not that they were considered inconsequential for decades prior.

 

[RRRUUU]

Let me go slow.

Losing to a historical doormat like Rutgers really gets to those SU fans that remember when they were an absolute doormat (for decades). The attention that SU fans pay to Rutgers is really based with in the dissatisfaction they feel with the SU program using a traditional have-not as the basis.

If Rutgers loses UConn or WVU or whoever, SU fans barely notice.

The Paul Pasqualoni loss to Rutgers (1-10) in 1999 didn't make the SU fan base restless because Rutgers was a rival. It upset people because Rutgers was the bottom of the NCAA football barrel.

Suppose Alabama were to start losing games to Vanderbilt. Would that elevate Vanderbilt to a rivalry status with Alabama? I doubt that.

Rutgers fans have tried to stoke or create a rivalry with SU because they have never had a real rival and want to get one because as a new fan base they think they should have one.

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #15 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE, Big 10, and ACC except Florida ST at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

 

[SUATO92]

The only reason you even got within one score and a two point conversion is because our back up kicker missed an extra point.

We played an excellent game on D and specials and won the game when your team knew exactly what we were going to try and do yet couldn't stop us. That means we beat you plain and simple.

We forced the turnovers and blocked a kick like we have done in 5/7 games thus far.

Just admit it and man up...

Dear god...now we have this jackw*d back on the site! For the love of all that is holy PLEASE no more Rutgers threads!!!:bang:

 

[SUATO92]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #14 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE and ACC at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

So if you have bigger fish to fry why are you here looking for validation? Run along skippy.

 

[orangeinjersey]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #14 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE and ACC at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

Then why do you troll message boards of such inferior opponents? Go away. Go troll Alabama and Oregons board, obviously, they are your equal.

Go away, no one wants your insight.

7-0 (4-0) guess what, no one in the tri state area cares. How do I know? I live in Jersey and work in Manhattan. I was at the SU game, some turnout for an unbeaten team on a 60 degree day without a cloud in the sky. Go ahead, post a link to the blog that said RU had more fans than anyone in NYC. You keep posting maybe someday, someone will care about it.

 

[orangecuse]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #14 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE and ACC at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

I completely agree with your first sentence. It's along the same lines of my earlier post.

Your last sentence is pure hyperbole, but hey, have fun frying up those larger fish in that very poluted water, Conference USA II, you know...your home.

 

[RRRUUU]

Then why do you troll message boards of such inferior opponents? Go away. Go troll Alabama and Oregons board, obviously, they are your equal.

Go away, no one wants your insight.

7-0 (4-0) guess what, no one in the tri state area cares. How do I know? I live in Jersey and work in Manhattan. I was at the SU game, some turnout for an unbeaten team on a 60 degree day without a cloud in the sky. Go ahead, post a link to the blog that said RU had more fans than anyone in NYC. You keep posting maybe someday, someone will care about it.

We are averaging around 50K a game this year in our expanded stadium. Pretty good when our ticket prices are $50/ticket.

I enjoy playing regional games since we recruit the same players. I didn't say you were inferior but rather pointed out that no one at RU is dying for a rivalry with SU as Townie and some others here seem to think.

 

[Townie72]

If Vanderbilt were to beat Alabama 7/10 times over the next decade you better believe that would become one heated game. Despite the fact that we are not Vandy and you are certainly not Alabama.

We are not trying to create any rivalry with you. You are a legend in your own head only. The fact that we have beaten you most years over the last decade makes the game an interesting regional matchup.

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #15 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE, Big 10, and ACC except Florida ST at the moment.

We have bigger fish to fry then SU...

The big fish for you is your hopeless conference situation. The great choosing of winners and losers has been conducted and the results are now official. You have been relegated to yet-another version of Conference USA.

You are on your way back to insignificance, a place your basketball program has never left. Cut that latest poll out of the paper as a token of the high water mark. One loss --- with that on-purpose pathetic schedule --- will cause Rutiz to fall in the polls like a very heavy stone.

Now its time for you to go,

 

[RRRUUU]

The big fish for you is your hopeless conference situation. The great choosing of winners and losers has been conducted and the results are now official. You have been relegated to yet-another version of Conference USA.

You are on your way back to insignificance, a place your basketball program has never left. Cut that latest poll out of the paper as a token of the high water mark. One loss --- with that on-purpose pathetic schedule --- will cause Rutiz to fall in the polls like a very heavy stone.

Now its time for you to go,

You have been saying the same thing for years now yet our program keeps getting stronger. The conference shifting is no where near finished and will continue for years.

Ofcourse if you lose a game and you are highly ranked you will fall sharply in the polls. No secret there but atleast we are a player in the national standing as of today.

Our goal is to win the BE and go to the BCS though...

 

[OrangeMojo]

We are currently 7-0(4-0) and #15 in the BCS standings. We are ranked ahead of every team in the BE, Big 10, and ACC except Florida ST at the moment.

this is so amazing to me - just further proof that it doesn't really matter who you play, just schedule the easiest games possible and find a way to squeak by. The best record among all your FBS opponents is Temple at 3-3, and yet there you are.

Enjoy it - another magical rutgers football season and still only one memorable victory, back in 2006. incredible.

 

[Townie72]

We are averaging around 50K a game this year in our expanded stadium. Pretty good when our ticket prices are $50/ticket.

I enjoy playing regional games since we recruit the same players. I didn't say you were inferior but rather pointed out that no one at RU is dying for a rivalry with SU as Townie and some others here seem to think.

So now you speak for the entire Scarlet Nation? (What a joke, The "Scarlet Nation")

There have been hundreds of posts on the RU board about rivalries. Who is our rival? Is UConn our rival? Is SU our rival?

As if rivalries could be wished into existence.

Syracuse has been the most frequently mentioned in this casting about for a rivalry.

Rutgers has the newest and possibly dumbest fan base in CFB.