TC cant shoot and should only be allowed 3 per half

[Millhouse]

The sad thing is we did. we shot like crap. We were 36% from the field and it wasn't cooneys fault. Funny thing is one ft we win and a big part of that was because wisconsin had 20 turnovers to our 11.
Had we not had those extra 9 shots because of those turnovers it could have been much more ugly.

cooney starts taking terrible shots when his teammates miss.

thankfully it's not vice versa

 

[pearl31]

19 points, 5 assists, 5 steals, and shot 7-16.

2 huge missed FTs, but he was our only guy who played up to par tonight.

still though, as others have pointed out he did a poor job of getting to the basket, which is what should have been happening late in the game and in OT when the Badgers were in dire foul trouble - he shot well but was otherwise very tentative/disinterested

 

[reedny]

when he went into deshaun/bad scoop I GOT THIS mode, i checked out. his fade to the side 15 footer was so bad.

That was not a good shot. But we needed points and weren't scoring down the stretch. So he was pressing a little. All the same, this wasn't on him. This is a perimeter (i.e., doughnut) team, and it was only a matter of time before we got exposed on the interior --- especially with a 205 pound freshman playing in the middle.

At any rate, about last night, the only two stats you need (besides the score) are:

minus 15 points in the paint; and
minus 25 on the glass. Game over.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Your a good poster, but posts like this show emotions get in the way of people analyzing players due to built in biases. I really don't know what some of you thought we could of done last night. Pretty much everybody who played outside of Mike was worse than Cooney. Gbinije wasn't even good. Heck if you look at the advanced metrics last night, Cooney was our best offensive player. This entire thread is stupid, and I'm not trying to offend anyone.

I agree. I am a good poster. No, just kidding about that. Everyone was bad last night. Mike was fairly awful defensively last night. Gave up way too many uncontested 3s himself.

I'm just tired of having a 2 guard who can't shoot all that well. Why can't we find a good shooter and worry later about teaching him how to play zone? Why does he have to have a specific body type instead of a specific shooting motion?

And what the heck is with Cooney's hands when he passes the ball? They seem to flair out every time like he's adding jazz hands at the end of it. But that's probably just a little more Cooney bias.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Complaining about Cooney is pointless now. He is who he is. We lost this game at the FT line and the fact we got killed on the boards. Could G and Cooney help on the boards more? Yes, but that isn't really their responsibility.

Wisconsin got so many 2nd chances it shortened the game. Not really much more to say. Cooney isn't a great shooter but he good enough. The slump 2 years was much more difficult to watch than anything this year.

Actually, I really think you are onto something with our guards needing to crash the boards better. Our zone is designed to force long shots which equate to long rebounds on misses. That means our bigs won't be in the territory to gather those rebounds, especially when the other team has 3 big guys crashing behind them. So G and Cooney need to crash down as well because they will have great chances to gather the rebounds AND prevent second chances as you say. That's way more important than a fast break opportunity (for Cooney to blow).

 

[CuseFaninVT]

you are worried about Cooney - who overall played pretty well last night - and not Malachi?

I saw a funny tweet last night after his 3rd or 4th horrible shot in a row. It simply said: "Malachi Greene"

One is a 5th year senior and the other is a freshman. That's my issue.

 

[OttoMets]

I agree. I am a good poster. No, just kidding about that. Everyone was bad last night. Mike was fairly awful defensively last night. Gave up way too many uncontested 3s himself.

I'm just tired of having a 2 guard who can't shoot all that well. Why can't we find a good shooter and worry later about teaching him how to play zone? Why does he have to have a specific body type instead of a specific shooting motion?

And what the heck is with Cooney's hands when he passes the ball? They seem to flair out every time like he's adding jazz hands at the end of it. But that's probably just a little more Cooney bias.

You want to see some Cooney bias, how about this: he travels 100% of the times he catches a pass on the perimeter. Every time. Watch him.

I fear this is going to be unnoticed for his whole career, then come back to bite us in a big moment. (Kind of like when Hakim Warrick's footwork and long strides earned the praise of broadcasters for years ["It almost looks like he's traveling, but he isn't!"], and then he got called for 10 turnovers in his last game.)

 

[CuseFaninVT]

You want to see some Cooney bias, how about this: he travels 100% of the times he catches a pass on the perimeter. Every time. Watch him.

I fear this is going to be unnoticed for his whole career, then come back to bite us in a big moment. (Kind of like when Hakim Warrick's footwork and long strides earned the praise of broadcasters for years ["It almost looks like he's traveling, but he isn't!"], and then he got called for 10 turnovers in his last game.)

Especially when he dribbles after receiving the catch. Oh man I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that.

I have no idea why I'm suffering from this bias, but I think it's because he's been afforded the golden child status for so long with barely any repercussions for his bad actions from JB.

 

[Cusefan0307]

When I'm at the game I don't look at the box score and instead try to focus on the flow of the game and not pay attention to any one player. At one point Trevor hit what I thought was going to be the biggest shot of the game to put us up 6. After that we blew it at the line down the stretch at the line and that's why I thought we lost. As far so some of the plays people are frustrated about, I understand it because we lost, but I think most of this board misses the point that Boeheim trusts him with the ball in his hands during these situations probably because he is a solid ball handler and one of our best free throw shooters on a bad free throw shooting team.

The offense is designed this way IMO because it doesn't seem like Mike wants any part of the foul line down the stretch. If he's going to be our guy he needs to want the ball. I didn't see that last night. Tyler and Malachi defer to those guys at this point, and Malachi is more one dimensional than Cooney at this point. If Cooney makes one of those plays last night people would all be singing a different tune and everyone's happy today. This is Boeheims guy!

I agree. I am a good poster. No, just kidding about that. Everyone was bad last night. Mike was fairly awful defensively last night. Gave up way too many uncontested 3s himself.

I'm just tired of having a 2 guard who can't shoot all that well. Why can't we find a good shooter and worry later about teaching him how to play zone? Why does he have to have a specific body type instead of a specific shooting motion?

And what the heck is with Cooney's hands when he passes the ball? They seem to flair out every time like he's adding jazz hands at the end of it. But that's probably just a little more Cooney bias.

 

[kcsu]

Especially when he dribbles after receiving the catch. Oh man I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that.

I have no idea why I'm suffering from this bias, but I think it's because he's been afforded the golden child status for so long with barely any repercussions for his bad actions from JB.

My problem with TC is simple. He takes really bad shots at the worst times. As a leader of the team he should be much more aware of end of game situations then he seems to be at this point. Coming down the stretch last night i felt as if he just didnt have a feel for the game. Three of his shots were taken with half or more of the shot clock remaining and they were not good looks considering he wasnt on last night im not sure why he pulled the trigger. Also his last pass was horrible. Out of control and again why did he force the issue vs waiting for the last shot and only providing them with 4-6 seconds if we miss vs turning the ball over to them. It was simply a horrible play that should not have been made by a Senior Leader

 

[djcon57]

... and Malachi is more one dimensional than Cooney at this point.

Explain your reasoning on this one.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Explain your reasoning on this one.

He defers to Cooney and Gbinije. He also has the same shooting percentage as Cooney and is worse from the line and he's a worse ball handler. Getting him the ball more isn't going to make the offense any better. We need Gbinije to want the ball in the clutch.

 

[rrlbees]

#Hoyas JTIII on Boeheim suspended for #Syracuse game Sat: 'Is (Trevor) Cooney staying home?...

 

[Kowbelkat]

At least wait until later in the shot clock to throw up bad shots. He was shooting those shots within the first few seconds.

Did you actually watch the game ,first few seconds? Watch it over and most of those shots were below 15 seconds left

 

[Kowbelkat]

Nobody shot worse than Trevor and he was horrible down the stretch. He did play well in the Bahamas but not tonight. You buying?

Nobody shot better either

 

[Kowbelkat]

taking stupid shots because other guys aren't hitting is not a good idea

play your normal offense and stop assuming that your teammates won't make good shots. take good shots and play as a team

We don't run an offense it's multiple picks and a jack

 

[kcsu]

We don't run an offense it's multiple picks and a jack

My point is simple. As a Senior leader he needs to make better choices especially at the end of games

 

[RoatanCuse]

Actually, I really think you are onto something with our guards needing to crash the boards better. Our zone is designed to force long shots which equate to long rebounds on misses. That means our bigs won't be in the territory to gather those rebounds, especially when the other team has 3 big guys crashing behind them. So G and Cooney need to crash down as well because they will have great chances to gather the rebounds AND prevent second chances as you say. That's way more important than a fast break opportunity (for Cooney to blow).

Good post. Actually, I think we tried crashing the guards 2 or 3 times last night, but Wiscy ran it out on us for an easy 2 points. Our zone was not set up.

 

[Ozcuse]

Question: On the football side these posts singling out players get deleted faster than I have a chance to reply but this thing has 117 responses?

What's up with that. :noidea:

 

[tbonezone]

cooney starts taking terrible shots when his teammates miss.

thankfully it's not vice versa

the title of this thread is "COONEY CAN'T SHOOT "
he's already proven that to me but if someone wants to argue that he is a great shooter knock yourselves out.
i'm listening. our shooting guard outside cannon is already a distant 4th on this team alone in %made.
there is a vast vast body (composed mainly of too many minutes played) of work which over 3 yrs proves him to be undoubtably a streaky, unreliable 3 point specialist who takes way too many off balanced shots.
but i am curious to hear someone lay out the case for the defense.
"3 POINT MARKSMAN...THE PROSECUTION SAYS NO!!!"

 

[pearl31]

he travels 100% of the times he catches a pass on the perimeter. Every time. Watch him.

I tend to agree, but that extra step (or two) after catching a pass became commonplace starting a few years ago. You see it every game now from lots of players.

 

[KevMonstah]

My point is simple. As a Senior leader he needs to make better choices especially at the end of games

I'd like to continue with this point by invoking the name of the dearly departed Scoop Jardine.

He went from, as a junior, a player who thought he had to be the star of the team (and failed), to a senior who realized he didn't have to be the star of the team. His shooting, in fewer attempts, went from FG% 41.5 to 47.1, and 3PT% from 35.7 to 37.1, and his turnovers dropped about half a turnover per game. In a parallel to this team, he went from having nobody who could shoot (he thought) to having several who could shoot. So why can't Cooney come to the same realization? Last year, yep, nobody to help with the deep shot. This year, two additional shooters, plus an improved Gbinije. Of course, a decrease in PT obviously helped with some of the stats, but Scoop realized he didn't have to be the hero, something that Cooney would also benefit from, especially because he, like Scoop, has never proven that he IS the hero shooter he thinks he is.

And I don't think anyone is talking about relegating Cooney to the bench for twenty mins per game, you're talking about one or two less crappy shots, and you're talking one less turnover per game (by the way, he's up to 3.0 TOs/g, double what he was last year), and you're talking five mins of rest per game. These are things that are supposed to get better as one gets older, not worse, yet somehow a guy whose shooting percentages have gone down and turnovers have gone up over time (Soph->Senior) sees his PT continue to go up to where he's now averaging 39 mins/game.

Kev

 

[EnnisEnvy]

Cooney's offensive game has not progressed since he got here. He still cannot finish at the rim, he is a poor mid range shooter, and a poor FT % for a guy who is supposed to be a shooter. He has poor footwork on many of his shots. He makes a couple and then starts taking bad shots. On a side note, it looks like everything is hard for him to do. I think he looks less athletic every year. Fire away.

 

[djcon57]

Cooney's offensive game has not progressed since he got here. He still cannot finish at the rim, he is a poor mid range shooter, and a poor FT % for a guy who is supposed to be a shooter. He has poor footwork on many of his shots. He makes a couple and then starts taking bad shots. On a side note, it looks like everything is hard for him to do. I think he looks less athletic every year. Fire away.

I'm more than willing to be critical of Cooney, but this is completely not true, IMO.

I was in the Bahamas and watched him closely in every game. He's moving more than ever. The guy's guarding him were having a hard time keeping up with him.

 

[EnnisEnvy]

I'm more than willing to be critical of Cooney, but this is completely not true, IMO.

I was in the Bahamas and watched him closely in every game. He's moving more than ever. The guy's guarding him were having a hard time keeping up with him.

Not saying he is stationary or not working hard just that he is nothing close to smooth. And he still brings the ball down to his knees unless he is going into his shot on the catch.