Tenny Post Game

[JustPherU]

It's been this bad for a while. How quickly we forget the latter JB years.

We were this bad? 170th in NET bad?

 

[AZOrange]

Before this game where JC had 7 points on 8 FGA and played atrocious defense he was last of all players on the team in PER (4.4), TS% (28.8%) and BPM (-5.7).

Not last of the starters. Last of anyone that had played.

That’s been my point all along. This isn’t about him starting…it’s about him playing at all. You don’t just roll people out for 10-15 a game (ahem…Naheem). Carlos shouldn’t play period. Naheem shouldn’t play period. Bell is the conundrum

 

[Louie and Bouie]

It’s pretty clear we missed on every single guy that we took in the portal. None of them can play. What’s astounding is not only did Red miss on the talent evaluations, but none of these guys are athletic or even play average defense with the possible exception of Taylor, but he is useless offensively.
if Choppa isn’t starting in the next game, Red is telling the rest of the team that he is not starting guys on merit and that is a very dangerous game to play.
if all of that wasn’t bad enough, this team doesn’t stop complaining but they do stop hustling. We had to have lost 80% of the 50-50 balls. Just no excuse for that.

Of all the transfers Davis has performed the best. I would keep him.

 

[kcsu]

Need to focus entirely on next year. Play guys who you think could contribute next year. We have a great recruiting class and it’s the only way to change the trajectory.

That means lots of Choppa/Freeman and hope they both stick around

This 100% needs to be the plan. This team doesn't have the talent chemistry and most importantly toughness and desire to win. Last years team might have been a collection of problem kids but at least they played hard and with passion. This years team is a worse mess as they don't play hard.

 

[Hopkins16]

We were this bad? 170th in NET bad?

Yes. Don't get stuck on statistics/analytics. Did you watch the games during the last few JB seasons? Some of the games were just as bad as today's game where we were getting blown out and out coached and looked like we didn't belong against ranked teams. Don't even talk about the losses to the tuneup teams that we barely beat this year. At least I'm an equal opportunity criticizer/hater rather than some who fall and kneel at the JB alter meanwhile criticize and disparage Red in year 2.

 

[Ottoman]

Before this game where JC had 7 points on 8 FGA and played atrocious defense he was last of all players on the team in PER (4.4), TS% (28.8%) and BPM (-5.7).

Not last of the starters. Last of anyone that had played.

And if JJ didn't get hurt, Moore probably would have played 8 minutes tonight. The more Red insists on being right, the more everyone else can see he's wrong. That's how you lose people's respect...and that's how you lose a locker room (e.g. last year).

 

[Hopkins16]

He seems like he’s a nice kid and not like Kadary at all but who knows

Just give him his deserved minutes and all will be fine.

 

[JustPherU]

Yes. Don't get stuck on statistics/analytics. Did you watch the games during the last few JB seasons? Some of the games were just as bad as today's game where we were getting blown out and out coached and looked like we didn't belong against ranked teams. Don't even talk about the losses to the tuneup teams that we barely beat this year. At least I'm an equal opportunity criticizer/hater rather than some who fall and kneel at the JB alter meanwhile criticize and disparage Red in year 2.

We weren’t near this bad and that’s why they have analytics. You see it how you want, but I see a complete mess and the coach hasn’t a clue. I promise you JB would not be playing Carlos over Moore.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We have brought in 7 transfers in two years and none of them have been difference makers. Davis has been ok. I seriously question what we are doing in our scouting.

 

[hoopsupstate]

The SEC Has far better athletes than the ACC. They’re bigger, stronger and more explosive.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Positives:
1. Choppa is legit
2. Chance finally played!

Negatives:
1. Literally everything else

Oh, snap! He played? I turned the game off when we were down ~25. I guess I’ll go back and watch the rest. How did he look?

 

[djcon57]

The SEC Has far better athletes than the ACC. They’re bigger, stronger and more explosive.

And they get paid more. We get it.

we should still be able to complete at some level. to expect to get run by 30 like most of us did, we might as well be SUNY Albany Or whatever.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Well, we hung in there for a while. Red did change up some things in his rotations. More guys played.

Chance Westry is NOT Keyser Soze; he actually exists! His upper body looks skinny compared to a couple years ago when he was first at Auburn. Moved pretty well. Seemed a bit jittery, was playing "in a hurry". But hey, that's great that he's healthy enough to be out there. Maybe in a month he'll be a rotation piece.

With JJ's injury, the only way forward to me seems to be Cuffe taking over the starting PG role and starting Moore at the 2G. Sub in Taylor and Carlos, and maybe by January, Westry.

I was glad to see Bell sit down more. I was not that impressed with Taylor. This game was too much for him.

Jyare Davis didn't have his best game, but he had a lot of fight. He kept going at 'em. I like that.

Petar fouled out in not a lot of minutes, but at least he didn't let people make uncontested layups. He fought. He tried to be smart. He's a step slow against the best players, but guys like Ongenaet and Dolezaj weren't super talented, either, but were heady and a bit fearless, like Petar. Petar is a bigger guy than either of them, and is more likely to make a 3.

Donnie Freeman has his moments, but he shouldn't try so many hard shots, so many off balance fadeaways. He got the ball ripped away a few more times today, and they tried to bully him, didn't they?

He needs to get stronger and tougher. Games like this will help make him a man, and learn what it takes to make winning plays at this level. The first lesson, of course, is consistency.

I liked seeing Naheem and the zone. It worked for a couple possessions, and then we turned it over on about 3 possessions in a row, and that was a momentum swing against us.

Cuffe in a limited sample continues to remind me that he's a better defender than Carlos, and is less likely to turn the ball over. Also probably more likely to make an outside shot. Plus, Carlos sucked at the line. Not good for a guy who shot 90% last year.

Eddie was pretty good, and kept us close early on. He's nifty around the rim, but he misses a lot of bunnies. Good defensive rebounder generally, but not tonight. We got hammered on the offensive boards when he was in. Donnie, too; that's why he tried Petar and Jyare Davis.

Sadly, this team just isn't good enough to hope for much, especially with Starling probably out until mid-January, and then needing another 3 or 4 weeks to play himself back into game shape.

What I'm hoping for is that Red is forced to play the younger guys, and they grow in preparation for next year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

We have brought in 7 transfers in two years and none of them have been difference makers. Davis has been ok. I seriously question what we are doing in our scouting.

I do think Lampkin is a difference maker, he's just not THE difference maker and unfortunately is limited physically.

Davis is just a little undersized for this level, but I like his effort and physicality. If he were 3 inches taller..

Everyone else has largely been nothing, agree there.

Really makes you long for Wes Johnson.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I do think Lampkin is a difference maker, he's just not THE difference maker and unfortunately is limited physically.

Davis is just a little undersized for this level, but I like his effort and physicality. If he were 3 inches taller..

Everyone else has largely been nothing, agree there.

Really makes you long for Wes Johnson.

He’s solid offensively, but he cannot move on defense and is not capable of playing big minutes. I think he gave up at least 7 lobs tonight. From an NIL perspective we aren’t getting our moneys worth.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

What is most disappointîng to me besides the embarressing loss is that without JJ coach missed a perfect opportunity to see what Cuffe and Chance can give us in a competitive game. If we can even call it that?
Our chances to win that game were not looking too good without arguably our most important player. You have nothing to lose, so why play JC even more? 37 Minutes! More than anyone else by 6 minutes.
Give the players that havn’t played an opportunity! It makes no sense to give all the minutes to someône that has shown us what he can do, not much very well! So far anyways, I am cheering for him.
JC was not going to win us this game. Who knows what the other guys could’ve done?
Well noone now.
Total missed opportunity.

Cuffe played 4 minutes! Had 2 standout plays and was pulled immediately after he passed it to Freeman who slipped so was a TO. I was slightly annoyed his steal was credited to JC who took the ball all the way to a missed layup when he had 2 guys in better position.
In all fairness, KC probably shouldn't have attempted that pass...but thats what you get when you play the dude on average 2 minutes a game!
I bet he wouldn't make that same pass again if he was coached up and allöwed to play on. I also bet there will be a similar pass by KC again with the same result. When that happens Ill be staring at coach.
To see his reaction..,.. bc that alone will give me that peek inside...Ya feel me homie?

 

[Cuseball]

Tennessee scored 1.41 points per possession. By that metric tonight was SU's worst defensive performance of the Autry era.

And that’s saying something because the defense has been consistently awful under Autry

 

[phil77]

If I hear Carlos is our only ball handler one more time I am going to lose it

 

[Cuseball]

It's been this bad for a while. How quickly we forget the latter JB years.

No this is the worst it has been been. Even when we finished below .500 the one year we were leading plenty of games late and blew them because we couldn’t inbound the ball or beat pressure. Now we are trending towards our worst season in over 50 years and we cant do anything and look completely mismatched . This is the bottom .

 

[NineOneSeven]

We shot 49% too.

 

[JDubbin]

It’s be nice to just have ONE YEAR without the super weird player minute commitments, who starts, etc. Like, there shouldn’t be drama there… Carlos played the WHOLE GAME until the very end. There’s nothing statistically OR eye test related that warrants it. What is Red doing?! I swear Carlos has blackmail on Autry or something. It’s sad & brutal to know before the game tipped we’d get destroyed, it’s exactly what happened. Syracuse is so far from the top right now…

 

[SUFan44]

We have brought in 7 transfers in two years and none of them have been difference makers. Davis has been ok. I seriously question what we are doing in our scouting.

THIS.

Don't give me the NIL crap either.

Corey McKeithan at La Salle was a transfer from Rider, a MAAC school, and could have been had by anyone in the country for nothing.

He's averaging 19, 3 & 3 a game, 46% FG, 41% 3FG% - and before you say 'La Salle hasn't played anyone'... He had 28 in a win over Temple, who has a NET ranking 60+ points better than ours.

Open your eyes.

 

[Cusefan0307]

THIS.

Don't give me the NIL crap either.

Corey McKeithan at La Salle was a transfer from Rider, a MAAC school, and could have been had by anyone in the country for nothing.

He's averaging 19, 3 & 3 a game, 46% FG, 41% 3FG% - and before you say 'La Salle hasn't played anyone'... He had 28 in a win over Temple, who has a NET ranking 60+ points better than ours.

Open your eyes.

It’s really 9. JJ has been fine and I forgot Westry who’s been damaged goods. The rest meh. The first warning with Carlos was his offer list over the summer.

 

[Brooky03]

He’s gonna Kadary us isn’t he

Who knows. Statistically, good players staying at a noncompetive school, with apparently garbage NIL pockets, for more than a year just seems uncommon.

 

[jncuse]

I just realized that tonight's win for Tennessee is considered a Quad 4 win! I know its early and NET is highly fluid after 7 games, and we will probably get it down to Q3 by season's end, but seeing Q4 in front of Syracuse at any point of the season is a bit startling.