Texas A&M officially leaving Big 12

[SU2NASA]

And which of those 9 teams is going to drive the economic bus called football? If FSU and VT left all of the schools left are medicore at best.

So the question is why would a team like WVU or Pitt want to move their football program from the BE to a league even worse off in regards to football? Especially if the BE TV deal comes through. As unbelievable as it seems the BE is in a better spot right now to ride out the next round of expansion than the ACC is imo.

I don't think we can throw stones from a conference with only one ranked team at #24. So football isn't going to be any better, how do you assume the Big East TV deal is going to be that much bigger? It may be a larger number, but remember, if the argument is that basketball is the driving force for the Big East (which it is), there are 16 mouths to feed.

This is all about stability and the ACC will have 9 even in the worst-case scenario. A Big East with teams like South Florida, TCU, and a best-case scenario of no one leaving, and picking up teams in Kansas and Iowa, is still very unstable.

All it takes is one Big East football school leaving and the whole thing will unravel. I think we've seen from BC that if the ACC has 9 and offers a Big East school that more stability, that they'll go. There's a reason Daryl Gross has done this SU as NY's College Team effort, and it isn't to get people from Madhattan to drive to the dome.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I don't think we can throw stones from a conference with only one ranked team at #24. So football isn't going to be any better, how do you assume the Big East TV deal is going to be that much bigger? It may be a larger number, but remember, if the argument is that basketball is the driving force for the Big East (which it is), there are 16 mouths to feed.

This is all about stability and the ACC will have 9 even in the worst-case scenario. A Big East with teams like South Florida, TCU, and a best-case scenario of no one leaving, and picking up teams in Kansas and Iowa, is still very unstable.

All it takes is one Big East football school leaving and the whole thing will unravel. I think we've seen from BC that if the ACC has 9 and offers a Big East school that more stability, that they'll go. There's a reason Daryl Gross has done this SU as NY's College Team effort, and it isn't to get people from Madhattan to drive to the dome.

Supply and the demand. No more B12, weaker ACC, potentially stronger BE with those additions. More TV time to fill and if those 2 afforementioned things happen the BE is suddenly the 4th best footbal conference rather than the 5th or 6th. Networks will be fighting for whats out there plus the fact that Fox is trying hard to get into the game. It will either drive the rate up on ESPN or potentially Fox will flat outbid them so (by accident) the BE is actually in a really good position.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

My bags are packed...can't wait.

Sidenote-can't wait for a take from our insiders.

 

[Orangemen]

There are 3 stable conferences right now. The Big 10, the Pac 12, and the SEC. Outside of that, everyone is a target.

Their likelihood may range from miniscule possibility (Duke, UNC) to outright begging for it (Mizzou), but every school outside of those 3 conferences fits somewhere on that scale.

I'd bet on the minimum amount of shakeup happening here, but there is potential out there for far more.

 

[Alsacs]

I agree this could go any direction the entire bus is being driven by the $EC. Whomever the 14th team they add is going to cause a massive domino effect. Unless the SEC added Notre Dame which they won't the 14th team will come from one of the following.
Plausible- Virginia Tech (without all the crap the VA Legislature pulled for them its unlikely they would leave the ACC), Missouri(WANTS in the Big 10), West Virginia(I actually believe they will get it if not NC State), NC State(Will they leave UNC and the ACC)
Semi-Plausible-Oklahoma(I heard Barry Switzer say on the radio OU won't leave UT because of recruiting they do in south of the Red River in TX),
Unlikely-Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Clemson, North Carolina (these schools wouldn't get the support because of the in-state competition they have with their rival except North Carolina and I don't think UNC would give up being the King of its conference to become a soldier in another.)

Basically what I saying is that Texas A&M has basically given control of the fate of 3 conferences ACC, Big 12, Big East to the SEC depending on which school they want to add.

 

[SmilinBob]

I really wouldn't be surprised to see Texas, TT, OU and probably OSU go to the PAC12. That is if the PAC 12 can put up with the Longhorn network.

 

[SU2NASA]

I agree this could go any direction the entire bus is being driven by the $EC. Whomever the 14th team they add is going to cause a massive domino effect. Unless the SEC added Notre Dame which they won't the 14th team will come from one of the following.
Plausible- Virginia Tech (without all the crap the VA Legislature pulled for them its unlikely they would leave the ACC), Missouri(WANTS in the Big 10), West Virginia(I actually believe they will get it if not NC State), NC State(Will they leave UNC and the ACC)
Semi-Plausible-Oklahoma(I heard Barry Switzer say on the radio OU won't leave UT because of recruiting they do in south of the Red River in TX),
Unlikely-Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Clemson, North Carolina (these schools wouldn't get the support because of the in-state competition they have with their rival except North Carolina and I don't think UNC would give up being the King of its conference to become a soldier in another.)

Basically what I saying is that Texas A&M has basically given control of the fate of 3 conferences ACC, Big 12, Big East to the SEC depending on which school they want to add.

The fact that you honestly throw NC State to the SEC out there makes my head want to asplode. That's the most ridiculous one thrown out there yet this side of Notre Dame to the Big 12. Zero-point-zero percent chance. Wow. Seriously.

 

[Orangemen]

The fact that you honestly throw NC State to the SEC out there makes my head want to asplode. That's the most ridiculous one thrown out there yet this side of Notre Dame to the Big 12. Zero-point-zero percent chance. Wow. Seriously.

This is an internet message post talking about things that honestly, none of us have any idea how they will play out.

Anyone can go anywhere, and when they do, they're probably not checking with you first.

From an outsiders perspective (and I think anyone on this board qualifies) NC State to the SEC makes a lot of sense. That's why it gets brought up.

 

[SU2NASA]

This is an internet message post talking about things that honestly, none of us have any idea how they will play out.

Anyone can go anywhere, and when they do, they're probably not checking with you first.

From an outsiders perspective (and I think anyone on this board qualifies) NC State to the SEC makes a lot of sense. That's why it gets brought up.

I hear Georgia Tech to the Big Ten, Kansas to the ACC, Notre Dame to the Big 12, and Rutgers to the NFL.

I'm sure they're not checking with me first, but I'm sure they use some semblance of logic or deductive reasoning.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I believe when push comes to shove the SEC is going to get NC State as the 14th member as NC State because it is a less successful version of Texas A&M their inclusion would open up another Southeastern state for recruiting and wouldn't shift the power of the SEC East and would be another cannon fodder school for Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, etc, and would allow State to get out of the shadow of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. I believe the Bevo 9 will add BYU, Boise State and SMU, and ACC will have to replace NC State with an outside school. Maybe SU? Maybe WVU? Maybe Rutgers. Remember UConn is still called SueConn by Boston College and many members of the ACC I can tell you the entire conference will not forget now Sen. then AG Blumenthal's lawsuit against the ACC. I believe that will hurt UConn's chances of getting into the ACC.

No, I don't see NC State to the SEC at all. Va Tech is the likely choice, or West Virginia. Those 2 teams are solid football brands, border existing SEC members, and in the case of WVU, also offer a very good hoops program.

 

[All4SU]

And which of those 9 teams is going to drive the economic bus called football? If FSU and VT left all of the schools left are medicore at best.

So the question is why would a team like WVU or Pitt want to move their football program from the BE to a league even worse off in regards to football? Especially if the BE TV deal comes through. As unbelievable as it seems the BE is in a better spot right now to ride out the next round of expansion than the ACC is imo.

Not only that but they instantly become too North Carolina-centric for today's college football landscape. Not a good bargaining position.

 

[domefoam]

TCU has to be eyeing aTm spot in Big 12 right? I would if I were them. Their tenure in the Big East might be the shortest in history.

 

[Blaster]

I will Laugh my ass off when aTm applies for membership into the Big East conference. Also when Loftin is handing in his resignation.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Why would the ACC fall apart? UNC, Duke, Wake, UVa, and NC State will never leave each other, and Georgia Tech, Maryland, BC, and Miami are not likely to headed anywhere. That's nine teams, there will always be an ACC.

If the ACC comes calling, SU will either go there or the Big Ten. Not even a question. If the Big East joins with the Big 12 remnants, it will be the Big East remnants doing so. Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, TCU, and some add-ons like maybe Houston, SMU, etc.

Pack your bags, abandon ship. Death to the Big East.

I think you suppose too much. The BE is in a much better bargaining position right now than the ACC, in both football and basketball. The BE officials are not going to sit by and watch this time. I predict that they go on the offensive and re-offer KU and KSU, at the very least. The ACC could be in a real football dilemma if the SEC comes calling. I bet we would see one BE team going to the B10 before we see two or more decide to head south. The BC experiment has clearly failed miserably, so I don't see schools like SU or UConn eager to take that plunge. Boeheim is right on when he says the BE could make itself stronger and that SU is better off to stay put.

The BE is going to get bigger and get a pretty good chunck of the TV pie when all is said and done. I think statements predicting the end of the BE are greatly exaggerated. If we've learned anything over the past decade it's that the BE finds a way to survive and prosper despite it's critics.

 

[Niastri]

This could go either way.

If an ACC team goes to the SEC, then the BE is on alert.

If Mizzou goes (no idea how likely/unlikely), then the BE will likely add KU, and KSU.

This could be the one move that really shakes things up and leads to 4 16 team conferences, but if last summer taught us anything, it's that conferences really prefer to do less as opposed to more.

The Big East could be a HUGE conference by the time the 2012 season starts. The conference will snap up all the lost Big 12 teams who need to stay BCS. The conference will play some crazy number of football games, and a truly insane basketball schedule very much like the NBA and their huge number of teams (without all the games)... The conference will glory in its "Strength of numbers" and then it will start to shed all of its non football teams until football gets to 16 teams and thus more than the basketball only teams by enough to be a voting majority. Perhaps then our holy grail of Notre Dame decides to join the five mega conferences in a 16 team league of football, with East being a ridiculous moniker, unless you consider us relative to California. Big will be truly accurate, though.

 

[SU2NASA]

The Big East could be a HUGE conference by the time the 2012 season starts. The conference will snap up all the lost Big 12 teams who need to stay BCS. The conference will play some crazy number of football games, and a truly insane basketball schedule very much like the NBA and their huge number of teams (without all the games)... The conference will glory in its "Strength of numbers" and then it will start to shed all of its non football teams until football gets to 16 teams and thus more than the basketball only teams by enough to be a voting majority. Perhaps then our holy grail of Notre Dame decides to join the five mega conferences in a 16 team league of football, with East being a ridiculous moniker, unless you consider us relative to California. Big will be truly accurate, though.

I can't tell, is this sarcasm or not?

 

[SmilinBob]

TCU has to be eyeing aTm spot in Big 12 right? I would if I were them. Their tenure in the Big East might be the shortest in history.

If they don't mind being a pawn of Texas and what they want because they own that conference. I'd rather deal with Providence and I wouldn't be surprised if TCU feels that way as well. But, the flip side of that is how nervous is TCU that the BE might join and go to the ACC, or at worst a large amount of the football contingent because I'm sure they're a bit worried about the expansion possibilities... would the ACC want them as well? My guess is no.

 

[SmilinBob]

As for NCState, that isn't completely out of the realm. If the SEC wants to get into the NC market and still keep up their southern roots that would quite a nice move for them. I don't know all the inter-workings in Carolina but imo NCS has always been the red haired kid of the group and it may depend on how happy they are with the ACC.

If the SEC really wants to be the major player and get the most bang for the buck Oklahoma is the best choice and I'm not sure they'd let them slide over to the PAC12. OU's academics are kind of iffy so I don't think they are in the picture for the Big 10.

 

[Orangemen]

TCU has to be eyeing aTm spot in Big 12 right? I would if I were them. Their tenure in the Big East might be the shortest in history.

4 years down the road, maybe. But I would be shocked if anyone in a BCS league were to jump onto that sinking ship.

The Big 12 is well positioned to lose 3 more schools at any moment, not to mention the specter of the PAC12 hanging out there ready to cherry pick 4 others.