Texas, Oklahoma reach out to the SEC

[Cajovalley]

there is no way New York gets left out. We can all thank JB for SU remaining relevant.

 

[Alsacs]

The best thing going for the ACC right now is Kevin Warren is no Jim Delaney.
Delaney was cutthroat and knew how to think ahead.
The new commissioner ticked off a lot of people how he handled the decisions to cancel last year.

The ACC needs to hold the line. It’s never going to be the top revenue conference but as long as it doesn’t lose Florida State or Clemson I could see Notre Dame actually doing the right thing along with potentially poaching up another decent School.

Conferences are going to go over 16.

I honestly think Oklahoma and Texas just wanted out of the Big XII.

They are using the SEC as a way to do that and for it to make sense.

If A&M and Mizzou block them then they can go to plan B.
Where I think Texas would go Indy like ND with ACC games.

Oklahoma then could look at the Big Ten or PAC-12.

If the SEC doesn’t take OU/UT they would just basically be giving those powers to another conference.

WVU is basically looking at the American conference or ACC if the ACC has to expand.

Truthfully the best option for the ACC would be ND and WVU.

ND needs to just pick its destiny so this can finally end. If they want B1G or ACC.

 

[kcsu]

The ACC teams are locked down until 2036. Fifteen years is an eternity. NIL might make teams that are not on today's radar relevant by 2036. My two cents is that Amazon will enter the bidding by than. Netflix reported basically zero subscriber growth for the first time in eight years and they will be looking to fuel growth.
The NFL is the most successful sports entity for a reason. Parity.
The fact that each team is basically equal in player compensation enables Green Bay to compete with LA.
College sports through the NCAA attempted to maintain Parity. It failed years ago and has now collapsed.
If the power brokers don't figure this out and create some semblance of Parity the product will eventually become very narrow and have diminished value.
Amateur sports as we have known them are over.

 

[Alsacs]

The ACC teams are locked down until 2036. Fifteen years is an eternity. NIL might make teams that are not on today's radar relevant by 2036. My two cents is that Amazon will enter the bidding by than. Netflix reported basically zero subscriber growth for the first time in eight years and they will be looking to fuel growth.
The NFL is the most successful sports entity for a reason. Parity.
The fact that each team is basically equal in player compensation enables Green Bay to compete with LA.
College sports through the NCAA attempted to maintain Parity. It failed years ago and has now collapsed.
If the power brokers don't figure this out and create some semblance of Parity the product will eventually become very narrow and have diminished value.
Amateur sports as we have known them are over.

GOR can be beaten in court by any good team of lawyers.

You talk about parity but forget that we are a winner of realignment while their have been losers.
Those losers will make the same argument.

These conferences are corporations.

Pro sports are a completely different animal.
College sports don’t need government intervention.

This stuff ends when the endgame is established.
Oklahoma and Texas don’t owe Iowa State or Kansas State anything.
If they can make more money playing other schools they are free to move.

 

[Orangefan1]

What does this all mean for Syracuse?
That’s the bigger question. I may have been in the small minority to say years ago we should of aggressively attempted to join the Big Ten if that was ever a possibility now we might be in a worse situation given how things shake out with realignment

 

[kcsu]

GOR can be beaten in court by any good team of lawyers.

You talk about parity but forget that we are a winner of realignment while their have been losers.
Those losers will make the same argument.

These conferences are corporations.

Pro sports are a completely different animal.
College sports don’t need government intervention.

This stuff ends when the endgame is established.
Oklahoma and Texas don’t owe Iowa State or Kansas State anything.
If they can make more money playing other schools they are free to move.

That's not my point. My point is a lack of parity will eventually lead to very little competition which will diminish the products value.

As to the attorney that can overturn the GOR agreement please send me their info.

 

[Cusefan69]

It's going to be interesting to see how the new ACC Commissioner Phillips navigates these new waters. He will need to both keep teams from getting poached and convince new teams into the fold. There is no way that enough "no votes" occurs to stop Tx and OK into the SEC. Lots of phone calls between ADs happening today though and into the weekend.

 

[Alsacs]

That's not my point. My point is a lack of parity will eventually lead to very little competition which will diminish the products value.

As to the attorney that can overturn the GOR agreement please send me their info.

Their already isn’t parity. Parity happens in the NFL because the salary cap prevents teams from being able to pay all their talent.

College athletics should never have parity the teams with advantages are always going to have advantages. Complaining about that is pointless. The sport isn’t supposed to be fair.
As to the GOR Texas and Oklahoma would owe the Big XII 2 years of revenue. The conference could keep their home games till 2025. However if they wouldn’t negotiate when UT and OU determined they wanted to leave it would be bad business. GOR are basically around just to be used as a threat they will have no teeth once a school determines they want to leave.

Maryland showed that with the ACC.

Blue Bloods to Bolt from Big 12?

According to Brent Zerneman of the Houston Chronicle, Texas and Oklahoma, two of college football’s blue bloods, have inquired about a potential move from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference. There is no debate that the SEC is the King of College Football. Playing football in the SEC is an...

www.conductdetrimental.com

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It’s hilarious that people think it’s the players getting a little NIL money that will fundamentally change college sports

$1,000,000.00 for the unproven Alabama QB. If that is your idea of a little money, salute, Don Corleone

 

[Alsacs]

People have a problem with the lack of parity because the big dog teams finally got their chit together and are using their advantages they always had.

Some blue bloods are wasting their advantages and severely underachieving. Basketball has parity because rosters turn over and it’s a one and done tournament.
In football the talent is always going to win out on an 85 man roster only a couple of rosters can compete with the top rosters and rules of college football are tailored to the more talented team. The clock stops way too much in college football, their are a lot more plays per game in college football than pro football. Coaching is way worse in college than in the pros. Thus talent matters.

I believe people frustrated with the lack of parity don’t get that the big dogs always have an advantage and will always have the advantages.

Texas and Oklahoma are basically saying we are sick of carrying their inferior members of our conference while Missouri, A&M, Arkansas make way more money than us.

 

[Chip]

If A&M and Mizzou block them then they can go to plan B.

They still need 2 more teams to join them. It doesn't sound like (from Thamel's conversations) that they're going to get it.

 

[elimunelson]

People have a problem with the lack of parity because the big dog teams finally got their chit together and are using their advantages they always had.

Some blue bloods are wasting their advantages and severely underachieving. Basketball has parity because rosters turn over and it’s a one and done tournament.
In football the talent is always going to win out on an 85 man roster only a couple of rosters can compete with the top rosters and rules of college football are tailored to the more talented team. The clock stops way too much in college football, their are a lot more plays per game in college football than pro football. Coaching is way worse in college than in the pros. Thus talent matters.

I believe people frustrated with the lack of parity don’t get that the big dogs always have an advantage and will always have the advantages.

Texas and Oklahoma are basically we are sick of carrying their inferior members of our conference while Missouri, A&M, Arkansas make way more money than us.

Alsacs, not for nothing but love the fact u posted at like 2am and now at 740am. You live for this stuff and I love it.

I want someone to explain why ND has to do something. If the college playoff is available to them no matter super conference/legion of doom scenarios, why make the move? They obviously aren't swayed by the ultimate pay out.

I would think ND is in the best position to do a streaming service at some point.

 

[Alsacs]

Alsacs, not for nothing but love the fact u posted at like 2am and now at 740am. You live for this stuff and I love it.

I want someone to explain why ND has to do something. If the college playoff is available to them no matter super conference/legion of doom scenarios, why make the move? They obviously aren't swayed by the ultimate pay out.

I would think ND is in the best position to do a streaming service at some point.

I don’t sleep that much I get up at 4:30 every day.
ND doesn’t have to do anything but if the Big Ten is expanding and this CFB expansion endgame then ND has to make its decision.

 

[elimunelson]

I don’t sleep that much I get up at 4:30 every day.
ND doesn’t have to do anything but if the Big Ten is expanding and this CFB expansion endgame then ND has to make its decision.

I would think the endgame would have to stipulate that they will be on the outside of any playoff scenarios for them to be forced into a snap decision.

 

[Alsacs]

I would think the endgame would have to stipulate that they will be on the outside of any playoff scenarios for them to be forced into a snap decision.

ND won’t let the Big Ten expand without them if they truly want their endgame to be in the Big Ten.
Which is why the Big Ten always tries to cyber rattle ND and cause them to have to join.

 

[kcsu]

Their already isn’t parity. Parity happens in the NFL because the salary cap prevents teams from being able to pay all their talent.

College athletics should never have parity the teams with advantages are always going to have advantages. Complaining about that is pointless. The sport isn’t supposed to be fair.
As to the GOR Texas and Oklahoma would owe the Big XII 2 years of revenue. The conference could keep their home games till 2025. However if they wouldn’t negotiate when UT and OU determined they wanted to leave it would be bad business. GOR are basically around just to be used as a threat they will have no teeth once a school determines they want to leave.

Maryland showed that with the ACC.

Blue Bloods to Bolt from Big 12?

According to Brent Zerneman of the Houston Chronicle, Texas and Oklahoma, two of college football’s blue bloods, have inquired about a potential move from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference. There is no debate that the SEC is the King of College Football. Playing football in the SEC is an...

www.conductdetrimental.com

Owe is different than break. 2 years is different than 15 years. My point on GOR stands. If a team wants to leave they are free to. However their revenue will remain. Texas and Oklahoma are exploring this now because their conference media rights contract has a short Expiration date which they are leveraging.
The other leagues are in a different position because of remaining years within their contracts. If this were 2032 we would be in the same position.

 

[elimunelson]

Owe is different than break. 2 years is different than 15 years. My point on GOR stands. If a team wants to leave they are free to. However their revenue will remain. Texas and Oklahoma are exploring this now because their conference media rights contract has a short Expiration date which they are leveraging.
The other leagues are in a different position because of remaining years within their contracts. If this were 2032 we would be in the same position.

Agreed not sure how you contractually break the GOR contract without absurd damages that a judge would level against the party breaking a contract.

I feel comfortable with the ACC as it is. The only scenario is if these conferences figured out a way to work together and move teams to situations that mutually benefit both conferences and the teams involved. Certainly would be unique but situations are changing and as someone said above, the geography for cable purposes much less important than brands/content creators that have appeal to fans.

Syracuse, for all our warts, has an incredible national brand. We will be fine no matter how this shakes out

 

[Newhouser]

It is always fascinating how fast the landscape changes. Rutgers gets the Big 10 for TV sets they don't bring to the party and now ratings don't matter, streaming does. Oklahoma and Clemson are riding waves - do they last when Riley and Dabo move on? ND and Texas are wave immune, everyone else seems to ride for a time than sink back. Athletic Departments are going to have to be agile and alert to stay in the game, hope we are up to the task. I'm on the record that our football future is not rosy if we have to keep up with the large alumni base schools which much deeper pockets and a much larger football culture, and growing safety concerns.

How much longer does our basketball brand and NY presence allow us a seat at the table?

 

[JRHEETER]

It is always fascinating how fast the landscape changes. Rutgers gets the Big 10 for TV sets they don't bring to the party and now ratings don't matter, streaming does. Oklahoma and Clemson are riding waves - do they last when Riley and Dabo move on? ND and Texas are wave immune, everyone else seems to ride for a time than sink back. Athletic Departments are going to have to be agile and alert to stay in the game, hope we are up to the task. I'm on the record that our football future is not rosy if we have to keep up with the large alumni base schools which much deeper pockets and a much larger football culture, and growing safety concerns.

How much longer does our basketball brand and NY presence allow us a seat at the table?

I guess now more than ever, we need to start winning at football.

need to prove somehow that we can be a relevant football team.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

UNC is the king of the ACC politically.
They have ceded to Clemson and Florida State in the past for a couple of football decisions but in the end they are the big dog of the ACC.
The only move the Big Ten could do is try and poach Florida State. I don’t see Florida State as loyal if push came to shove.
North Carolina and Virginia won’t leave the ACC unless it’s truly dead.
Virginia Tech should have the SEC target when they took Missouri.
Clemson won’t ever get into the SEC and I doubt the Big Ten would appeal to them.

Agree with most of that. I don't see UNC-UVA-Duke leaving the ACC unless both Clemson and FSU leave. If Dabo left Clemson and they returned to normal and FSU left, I think they add UCF and wait it out a few years before even considering a move.

I think the ACC is safe. The only way I see it breaking up anytime soon is if FSU and Clemson both go to the B1G. Then after a few years of making little money and poor football, the B1G might be able to get UNC-UVA-Duke. Not long after the SEC could grab VA Tech and NC State to complete their map. Once that dust settles the B1G can grab GA Tech, SU, BC. Then ND would come along as they are left with no other choice for the olympic sports. Miami is taken as the last team, which means the B1G is a 24 team conference. Pitt, Louisville, Wake would be left out. I think this is extremely unlikely but at the same time is the only way UNC-UVA-Duke leave the ACC. Either way I think we are completely safe.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

When is a conference not a conference? At some point it gets so big that it doesn't produce the rivalries that are the lifeblood of sports, especially college sports. Then it becomes a sort of mutual fund, with a large group of schools just sharing revenue. What would Kern Tipps think?

View attachment 203708

Give me 8 nine team conferences, each representing a sector of the country: The Big East, with the top football schools in the northeast, the ACC, from Virginia to Florida, the SEC for the deep South, the Great Lakes Conference, (the former Big Ten), the Great Plains Conference, (the former Big 8 +1), the Southwest Conference, the Rocky Mountain Conference and the West Coast Conference. You play everyone in your conference, half home and half away for football and a double round-robin for basketball. 8 pennant races, (remember them?) Head-to-head breaks ties. The 8 champions play off for the national championship.

Of course it will never happen for a lot of crummy reasons. But we can dream.

Makes too much sense

 

[kcsu]

It is always fascinating how fast the landscape changes. Rutgers gets the Big 10 for TV sets they don't bring to the party and now ratings don't matter, streaming does. Oklahoma and Clemson are riding waves - do they last when Riley and Dabo move on? ND and Texas are wave immune, everyone else seems to ride for a time than sink back. Athletic Departments are going to have to be agile and alert to stay in the game, hope we are up to the task. I'm on the record that our football future is not rosy if we have to keep up with the large alumni base schools which much deeper pockets and a much larger football culture, and growing safety concerns.

How much longer does our basketball brand and NY presence allow us a seat at the table?

very good take. JW needs to hit a homerun with the next coach. Its why i want to keep it in house as its not a splashy bet but a safe one. Nobody will criticize JW for going with G or Red and if they fail he gets another chance. If however he goes outside the family and fails its hard to put Humpty back together again and you have destroyed all of the foundation that JB built. So i think SU will be fine on the bball front. As to Football we have to be average not great but better than we are now. We need to win 6 or 7 a year and play in a bowl. We need to get those upsets and we need to schedule games like Tenn on a National Stage. I have a place in SC and im here until i head to skaneateles next week. Let me tell you everyone knows and respects Syracuse here. People respect our program and if we can make even baby steps this year i believe we are poised to get back to a good place not great but respectable. This year is major as we know and i do believe that Dino is gone if he doesnt win 6.

 

[Alsacs]

Agreed not sure how you contractually break the GOR contract without absurd damages that a judge would level against the party breaking a contract.

I feel comfortable with the ACC as it is. The only scenario is if these conferences figured out a way to work together and move teams to situations that mutually benefit both conferences and the teams involved. Certainly would be unique but situations are changing and as someone said above, the geography for cable purposes much less important than brands/content creators that have appeal to fans.

Syracuse, for all our warts, has an incredible national brand. We will be fine no matter how this shakes out

Maryland already did with the ACC.

 

[PhatOrange]

I’m honestly so glad this stuff doesn’t keep me up at night anymore. Whatever happens happens.

 

[sutomcat]

Maryland already did with the ACC.

The ACC signed their GOR after Maryland left.

ACC approves Grant of Rights deal

The ACC is eschewing its $50 million exit fee model in favor of a Grant of Rights, which could solidify the league from the Big Ten or other conference realignment poachers. The league also wants an ACC channel.

www.cbssports.com