That onside kick call

[buffalorange]

We need a tackling guru any suggestion?

Rocky Long? It seemed the tackling technique jumped when he came on board. Defensive players seemed well trained to slap down stiff arm attempts, tackle low, and wrap up the runner. I think he also knows a little bit about the 3-3-5 defense.

 

[RF2044]

Rocky Long? It seemed the tackling technique jumped when he came on board. Defensive players seemed well trained to slap down stiff arm attempts, tackle low, and wrap up the runner. I think he also knows a little bit about the 3-3-5 defense.

Started under White, and continued under Long.

We went from being a generally poor tackling team to suddenly being a good tackling team over one off-season.

 

[Chip]

Rocky Long? It seemed the tackling technique jumped when he came on board. Defensive players seemed well trained to slap down stiff arm attempts, tackle low, and wrap up the runner. I think he also knows a little bit about the 3-3-5 defense.

The best play yesterday is when one of our defenders, in the 4th quarter, just picked up the running back by his legs and pulled him backwards. I'm no physics major (even though I did eventually graduate from SU), but if the guy's legs aren't touching the ground, he can't run.

Our guys often go for big hits that they think are tough. But the guy bouncing off of them and continuing to run is tougher.

 

[Newhouser]

The best play yesterday is when one of our defenders, in the 4th quarter, just picked up the running back by his legs and pulled him backwards. I'm no physics major (even though I did eventually graduate from SU), but if the guy's legs aren't touching the ground, he can't run.

Our guys often go for big hits that they think are tough. But the guy bouncing off of them and continuing to run is tougher.

Our guys often seem like they don't want to hit anyone. Way too much arm tackling or throwing themselves at ball carrier. Even on the hit ,(think it was Grant) that upended ball carrier it was a roll. Not a wrap.

 

[pattycuse]

Started under White, and continued under Long.

We went from being a generally poor tackling team to suddenly being a good tackling team over one off-season.

This to me is one of the more disappointing aspects of the year so far- we are atrocious at tackling. One could argue there is a talent gap- but it existed the last few years and we somehow were much more fundamentally sound. Smarter minds than mine can determine whether this is scheme adjustment etc but it’s been a problem all year long. Definitely a challenge for Fran to solve in the offseason- I suspect through tweaks to the staff.

 

[tino]

a qb that gives up. takes the sack and is dragged back 5 yds is a dead play.you don't let the play go on once forward progress is done

Totaly agree refs suck in ACC

 

[gmoney44]

a qb that gives up. takes the sack and is dragged back 5 yds is a dead play.you don't let the play go on once forward progress is done

Tell that to the 2018 refs at PITT.

 

[PhatOrange]

Remind me if I am likely wrong - wasn't Villari hit early in the GT game onsides kick which caused all sorts of fun?

It's amazing the goofy calls that have gone against us the last few years.

I’m going to have to go back and watch the Vallari play. Or maybe I shouldn’t. Ugh

 

[two3zone]

How many times has it been called?

This was my first thought

 

[longtimefan]

Despicable, I have such a hard time this, plain wrong. Of further sig their FB clearly jumped on their last touchdown/trick play. When these things happen something must be investigated. They did not steal the game, they just helped them win.

I thought I detected one of their backs in the "I" leaving early.

 

[kingtidge]

I actually don't think it was a damn yankees type of call, especially since BC seems to get those too.

That's a really high pressure situation for a ref. I think they just kinda panicked/overreacted.

Not sure about that...

It seemed very Higgins-esque, but on the football side... "I am going to make a very questionable call with the game on the line... Look at me."

Some of these guys crave to be the center of attention.

 

[corpjet]

The boys need to watch the Detroit game from last night, on how to bring the lumber and make a tackle, that was text book!

 

[OttosShoes]

Not sure about that...

It seemed very Higgins-esque, but on the football side... "I am going to make a very questionable call with the game on the line... Look at me."

Some of these guys crave to be the center of attention.

Basically my thing here is "don't attribute to malice what is more easily explained by incompetence." This crew couldn't even find their positions in time for an obvious quick snap, and the guy that placed the ball didn't realize it, the crew was pretty clearly not up to the job.

Somebody compared this call to the CJ Fair "charge." Yeah, it did kind of feel the same at the time. But objectively, this was a questionable call by an incompetent crew, that denied a big play unnecessarily. The Fair thing was calling the opposite of what pretty clearly happened in a manner that flipped the game with 11 seconds left, made by an official who is known to be controversial in a setting known to benefit from controversial calls. I don't think that one is more easily explained by incompetence than malice.

 

[SUbear]

Basically my thing here is "don't attribute to malice what is more easily explained by incompetence." This crew couldn't even find their positions in time for an obvious quick snap, and the guy that placed the ball didn't realize it, the crew was pretty clearly not up to the job.

Somebody compared this call to the CJ Fair "charge." Yeah, it did kind of feel the same at the time. But objectively, this was a questionable call by an incompetent crew, that denied a big play unnecessarily. The Fair thing was calling the opposite of what pretty clearly happened in a manner that flipped the game with 11 seconds left, made by an official who is known to be controversial in a setting known to benefit from controversial calls. I don't think that one is more easily explained by incompetence than malice.

We need to realize that the reffing will always be spotty at best in the ACC.
Our preparation for this game was our problem, we played a defense that could not stop the run against a team that we should have known was going to run at least 80 percent of the time. That is just nuts.
Our offense for the last three weeks has not been ready to play at the start of games, we fall too far behind. We must play hard and well for the complete game to win.
I do not see us winning at Cal, playing as we have been. Cal is much better than BC in every aspect of the game.
Disappointing November staring us in the face again.

 

[David321]

I expect us to get screwed over every game. You can count on it, like death and taxes.

 

[721Comstock]

We need to realize that the reffing will always be shittyy at best in the ACC
Our preparation for this game was our problem, we played a defense that could not stop the run against a team that we should have known was going to run at least 80 percent of the time. That is just nuts.
Our offense for the last three weeks has not been ready to play at the start of games, we fall too far behind. We must play hard and well for the complete game to win.
I do not see us winning at Cal, playing as we have been. Cal is much better than BC in every aspect of the game.
Disappointing November staring us in the face again.

FIFY.

 

[Bayside44]

Reffing in football is awful all the way up to the top. Look at the NFL complaints every Monday. Two multi-billion entities face off and it cannot be properly decided where to spot the ball or who held a facemask.

 

[RF2044]

Reffing in football is awful all the way up to the top. Look at the NFL complaints every Monday. Two multi-billion entities face off and it cannot be properly decided where to spot the ball or who held a facemask.

Very true.

Years ago, it seemed to me that given the speed of the game, it was remarkable how generally accurate the officiating usually was. I'm not suggesting that there weren't biased calls here and there, but that the refs seemed to get things right the vast majority of the time.

I have no empirical data to back this up, but it seems like things took a turn for the worse with the advent of replay. You'd think that this would make things more accurate, but it seems like not only do refs get things wrong more often, but they often make snap calls as if expecting to fall back on calls being challenged and / or prospectively overturned on replay.

Again, that is not data driven -- just my opinion -- but it seems like refs are an order of magnitude less on point than they used to be before they had all of these fallback options.

 

[upperdeck]

Its amazing how many calls they get wrong after review. Now some calls are pretty hard to see live or slowed down.

I think its like how soccer still uses one dude running 130 yds for 90 minutes and then doesn't wonder why there are some mistakes.

I mean the Wash game they missed the spot by over a yd and then just glossed over it, but then sometimes they respot a glaring mistake. At least be consistent.

 

[tep624]

Announcer made reference to the fact the official that made the call was on an angle not on the 10 yard line. No discussion or review. BS

I have less an issue with a call being made and more of an issue with a ref not in position to make a call, making a call. I mean What is that?

We should never have been in a position in this game to rely on a play like that (that's on us, and our run defense in particular), but that was just a complete lack of professionalism making and upholding that call based on the circumstances of it.

 

[MSOrange]

Very true.

Years ago, it seemed to me that given the speed of the game, it was remarkable how generally accurate the officiating usually was. I'm not suggesting that there weren't biased calls here and there, but that the refs seemed to get things right the vast majority of the time.

I have no empirical data to back this up, but it seems like things took a turn for the worse with the advent of replay. You'd think that this would make things more accurate, but it seems like not only do refs get things wrong more often, but they often make snap calls as if expecting to fall back on calls being challenged and / or prospectively overturned on replay.

Again, that is not data driven -- just my opinion -- but it seems like refs are an order of magnitude less on point than they used to be before they had all of these fallback options.

I think you're absolutely right that replay is used as a crutch when it really shouldn't matter because you're stuck with the call on the field if replay is inconclusive

 

[Jake]

Can I just say how hard it is to execute an onside kick as perfectly as we did Saturday. Almost twice?

It might have been the best special team play design and execution all season.

 

[Bayside44]

Very true.

Years ago, it seemed to me that given the speed of the game, it was remarkable how generally accurate the officiating usually was. I'm not suggesting that there weren't biased calls here and there, but that the refs seemed to get things right the vast majority of the time.

I have no empirical data to back this up, but it seems like things took a turn for the worse with the advent of replay. You'd think that this would make things more accurate, but it seems like not only do refs get things wrong more often, but they often make snap calls as if expecting to fall back on calls being challenged and / or prospectively overturned on replay.

Again, that is not data driven -- just my opinion -- but it seems like refs are an order of magnitude less on point than they used to be before they had all of these fallback options.

 

[cusefan88]

Can I just say how hard it is to execute an onside kick as perfectly as we did Saturday. Almost twice?

It might have been the best special team play design and execution all season.

Denaburg has his issues but to do that twice was incredible. If Cuse has to attempt another onside kick this season I feel like they have a puncher's chance at it.