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Why should anyone worry about this clown? The guy was 500 in a weak big east with most of his wins against cupcakes. He couldn't beat WV how's he beating OSU mich psu? This will be edsall 2.0.
I've been thinking about this too, whether he'll be the next Edsall. I found this interesting Wikipedia site that lists all of the coaches with non-consecutive tenures at one school. Looking at recent history, it's a mixed bag. There are the obvious failures like Johnny Majors, John Robinson, Edsall, etc.. There are guys in the middle like Petrino. Others like Bill Snyder seemingly picked up where they left off. Not sure what the pattern for success/failure is, if there is one. It could be the length of the gap between coaching tenures. The shorter the better. I think expectations figure in too, i.e. the more successful you were the first time around (and the less successful the program has been since you left) the more pressure and expectations there will be. Mack Brown will have a tough time of it but at least two more years of Sam Howell will help.

Schiano has been away for 9 years and they haven't had much success since he left. He's been coaching college ball the past three, so that helps. He's not coming out of retirement and he knows the B1G intimately. Rutgers is in rough shape and there's no room for error in the Eastern side of the conference. I think he'll have some success but it will be tough to break out of the 6-7 win range consistently. His former success might be his downfall. Some fans will expect 9-10 win seasons. The best we as Syracuse fans can hope for is that he weakens the big dogs in NJ by recruiting what would usually be their guys but doesn't get enough of them to be much of a threat. A slightly stronger Rutgers could mean a slightly weaker B1G, which ironically could help us in NJ.

 

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He’ll get a bit of a bump in recruiting on his name and the hype in NJ. But it will die at the hands of their division foes.
 

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He’ll get a bit of a bump in recruiting on his name and the hype in NJ. But it will die at the hands of their division foes.
It's a risky proposition for the kids because they know they may never see a bowl game during their careers. It took him 5 years in the Big East playing UConn (5-6), Syracuse (1-11), LVille (9-2), Cinncinati (4-7), Pitt (5-6), South Florida (6-5), WVU (10-1). Hardly a murderers row. That 5th year he finally broke through (at 7-5) he had additional wins against Villanova (4-7), Buffalo (1-11) and Navy (7-4).

Going to be tougher sledding this time around and supp raises a good point about expectations. Going to be way higher.
 
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He’ll get a bit of a bump in recruiting on his name and the hype in NJ. But it will die at the hands of their division foes.
He was always good at the smoke and mirrors show that is recruiting. We'll see if his methods register with a new generation. Recruiting at OSU just isn't a reliable metric for how a coach will do away from Columbus. But I think he's going to have success again. Jersey pride is a thing even if most people from Jersey have a really complicated relationship with their home state. Schiano was really good at selling the idea of Jersey pride. If he gets the right combo like he had with Teel and Rice, he could challenge MSU for 4th place in the East. You look at that division and no matter how you slice and dice it, Rutgers and Maryland are behind the 8 ball.
 

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He was always good at the smoke and mirrors show that is recruiting. We'll see if his methods register with a new generation. Recruiting at OSU just isn't a reliable metric for how a coach will do away from Columbus. But I think he's going to have success again. Jersey pride is a thing even if most people from Jersey have a really complicated relationship with their home state. Schiano was really good at selling the idea of Jersey pride. If he gets the right combo like he had with Teel and Rice, he could challenge MSU for 4th place in the East. You look at that division and no matter how you slice and dice it, Rutgers and Maryland are behind the 8 ball.
Rice was a generational type player. Teams like Syracuse and Rutgers are always good when they have a generational type talent. Easier said than done.
 

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Rice was a generational type player. Teams like Syracuse and Rutgers are always good when they have a generational type talent. Easier said than done.
That's why I say even if he manages to catch lightning in a bottle again, the best he'll likely do is 4th. That is a bear of a division. Any coach at Rutgers is set up for failure and in Schiano's case, things are even tougher. Expectations will be higher than they were for Flood and Ash. If Ash could make Rutgers just competitive not a winning team this year, I bet they would have held on to him.
 

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I am so happy that Rutgers and Schiano are married again.

Their delusional fanbase will be back at peak hysteria by the end of summer camp.

RRRUUU and RutgersAl have already scheduled their matching, full back tattoos of Schiano gnawing on a tooth pick.

May Piscataway rot in hell, forever.
 

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Not all those coaches are still there. There have been a lot of changes amongst the big programs.
Ok. I’m predicting his 2nd recruiting class will be better than any of Ash’s. It will all be smoke and mirrors and it won’t work, but I think it’s undeniable that he has more cache than Ash or Flood.
 

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I am so happy that Rutgers and Schiano are married again.

Their delusional fanbase will be back at peak hysteria by the end of summer camp.

RRRUUU and RutgersAl have already scheduled their matching, full back tattoos of Schiano gnawing on a tooth pick.

May Piscataway rot in hell, forever.
The whole last week of this ridiculous saga you would have thought they were courting bear Bryant.
 

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They're going to probably land Jalen Berger, which will be seen as a big win for them.

Berger's a good get, but I think he's a bit overrated by the services and a lot of the big name offers he had aren't out there anymore. Unfortunately that will give them a little momentum on the trail.

All we have to do is handle our business in Piscataway next year though and there's nothing to worry about.
 

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Why should anyone worry about this clown? The guy was 500 in a weak big east with most of his wins against cupcakes. He couldn't beat WV how's he beating OSU mich psu? This will be edsall 2.0.
i agree with you. however, selfishly speaking he shut us out of nj recruiting. i vividly remember our arrogance re him back then. i trust we do not repeat that. our recruiting has been dismal, and we need to get good players where ever we can. everyone talks about how broke rutgers is yet they manage to get funds for contract buyouts, new coaches contracts, assistants etc etc. and will also get the facilities to compete. that is the power of a wealthy state with political support to the state university right up to the governor. we, on the other hand , had a mayor who set us and the city back 20yrs.
 

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i agree with you. however, selfishly speaking he shut us out of nj recruiting. i vividly remember our arrogance re him back then. i trust we do not repeat that. our recruiting has been dismal, and we need to get good players where ever we can. everyone talks about how broke rutgers is yet they manage to get funds for contract buyouts, new coaches contracts, assistants etc etc. and will also get the facilities to compete. that is the power of a wealthy state with political support to the state university right up to the governor. we, on the other hand , had a mayor who set us and the city back 20yrs.
This is the overblown commonly held belief - that their rise from awful to mediocre was built at our expense in recruiting. But truth is, we made an awful hire with no NE recruiting ties, were not keeping up with facilities, and the BE was a depleted shell of what it was.

Did they get a couple of guys we wanted? Yeah. But Schiano did not turn them into a national or even BE power. We sucked because of Gerg and internal issues 95%, recruiting NJ 5%.
 

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This is the overblown commonly held belief - that their rise from awful to mediocre was built at our expense in recruiting. But truth is, we made an awful hire with no NE recruiting ties, were not keeping up with facilities, and the BE was a depleted shell of what it was.

Did they get a couple of guys we wanted? Yeah. But Schiano did not turn them into a national or even BE power. We sucked because of Gerg and internal issues 95%, recruiting NJ 5%.
apparently there is a reading comprehension problem at work. no one said that the rise was built at our expense . what was said was that they shut us out of recruiting nj . that is not one in the same. we sucked for many reasons, mostly not putting money into the program and facilities when we were good. this cost us recruiting as well as pp his job.
 

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