The all-inclusive Rutgers dumpster fire thread...

[Pharm73]

that is a major blow to RU recruiting in Jersey. lateral move. ha ha ha

The opportunity to coach at Georgia outweighed anything RU could do, and is a real resume builder for the up and coming coach
The thought by those slightly in the know is that Brown would take the job, even if offered a share of being the D.C. At RU, although that is not confirmed

Most do not think Fran is near ready to be a head coach yet

 

[Pharm73]

'At the same time, coaching salaries continued to rise, increasing $4.6 million to $25.5 million'

Start by firing the AD

The president of the university gave a speech recently where he said that the athletic dept will never break even, but the expense of department is less than 2% of the total RU budget

It seems that any objections around the administration are being dismissed out of hand because the president understands the value of visible division 1 sports, and the deficit is acceptable

Then there is the looming Big 10 tv negotiations, where some estimate that the individual programs will get around 100 million each

The hope would be that this brings the bottom line closer to even

 

[721Comstock]

The president of the university gave a speech recently where he said that the athletic dept will never break even, but the expense of department is less than 2% of the total RU budget

It seems that any objections around the administration are being dismissed out of hand because the president understands the value of visible division 1 sports, and the deficit is acceptable

Then there is the looming Big 10 tv negotiations, where some estimate that the individual programs will get around 100 million each

The hope would be that this brings the bottom line closer to even

 

[Pharm73]

Yes, the hope is the fans speculating, not the position of the president, who accepts the shortfall

 

[TheCusian]

Yes, the hope is the fans speculating, not the position of the president, who accepts the shortfall

Accepting shortfalls is a good way to not be in the job for very long

 

[HtownOrange]

Accepting shortfalls is a good way to not be in the job for very long

...unless you are employed in education or government, or both!

In his defense, Rutgers losing $73MM in the big picture of Rutgers (the entire system) having a budget of $4.8B, the loss is approximately 2% of the budget. Of course that number climbs significantly was you pare down the campuses and realize the $73MM is lost by one campus only.

That said, the numbers show that the AD is still a very small piece of the overall university operations budget. Even Rutgers losing $73MM does not move the needle, why would anyone thing UVA, UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, et al worry about $10-$30MM for a move to another conference when the schools have much more inside and accurate information than we have. Ex: the B1G still shares gate revenue and includes the shares with the payouts. This artificially increases the payouts because they paid half their gate to the conference. Does anyone think Rutgers adds a significant value to the share of the gate revenue?

The same holds true for any P5 university. The AD is less than 10% of each budget. Most schools run them poorly. SU has a history of running the AD fiscally correct. Of course, they lack the state government funding utter foolishness so there is that reality.

 

[Pharm73]

Accepting shortfalls is a good way to not be in the job for very long

The president is being honest.
Sure you could replace him with a president that would say something else, but the shortfall would remain for now anyway

His point, spelled out quite well by Htown above, shows how little concern the shortfall is to the university overall

Something that is as small an issue as this would not cost the president his job

 

[Pharm73]

...unless you are employed in education or government, or both!

In his defense, Rutgers losing $73MM in the big picture of Rutgers (the entire system) having a budget of $4.8B, the loss is approximately 2% of the budget. Of course that number climbs significantly was you pare down the campuses and realize the $73MM is lost by one campus only.

That said, the numbers show that the AD is still a very small piece of the overall university operations budget. Even Rutgers losing $73MM does not move the needle, why would anyone thing UVA, UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, et al worry about $10-$30MM for a move to another conference when the schools have much more inside and accurate information than we have. Ex: the B1G still shares gate revenue and includes the shares with the payouts. This artificially increases the payouts because they paid half their gate to the conference. Does anyone think Rutgers adds a significant value to the share of the gate revenue?

The same holds true for any P5 university. The AD is less than 10% of each budget. Most schools run them poorly. SU has a history of running the AD fiscally correct. Of course, they lack the state government funding utter foolishness so there is that reality.

The value the big ten was looking for was with increasing the value of the big ten tv network, and RU has added to that
The next contract signed by the big ten is reportedly going to break the one billion dollar mark, with Revenue of 100 million a year to each team

any progress RU makes on the football field is a bonus to the league with increased viewership from today's viewership

 

[TheCusian]

The president is being honest.
Sure you could replace him with a president that would say something else, but the shortfall would remain for now anyway

His point, spelled out quite well by Htown above, shows how little concern the shortfall is to the university overall

Something that is as small an issue as this would not cost the president his job

I guess you're right. I think the perception of taking a big loss while sucking at the thing you're trying to accomplish is not great PR - but prob not a big deal for the President's job.

I guess it's all sunshine and lollipops. Free money and not a lot of accountability.

 

[tipphill]

I guess you're right. I think the perception of taking a big loss while sucking at the thing you're trying to accomplish is not great PR - but prob not a big deal for the President's job.

I guess it's all sunshine and lollipops. Free money and not a lot of accountability.

you are beginning to understand

 

[Whitey23]

Report: Greg Schiano looking to shake up Rutgers offensive staff

There may be some staff adjustments at Rutgers.

saturdaytradition.com

 

[HtownOrange]

Report: Greg Schiano looking to shake up Rutgers offensive staff

There may be some staff adjustments at Rutgers.

saturdaytradition.com

...ummmmmmmm... isn't Shady a little late to the coaching shake up party?

I'd wish him luck but, nah, I wouldn't.

 

[kcsu]

Who would ever want to work for Shitano

 

[orangenauburn]

...ummmmmmmm... isn't Shady a little late to the coaching shake up party?

I'd wish him luck but, nah, I wouldn't.

He's promoting a former highly successful NJ high school coach to the position.

Losing Fran hurts his instate recruiting. This is an effort to offset it.

Also, he's trying to upgrade the position coaching as that's where he lays the blame for their struggles.

Its why he recruited so many transfer kids and added a bunch more out of high school on the OL.

His philosophy is throw a ton of kids in the mix and pray you find five serviceable Big Ten OL from it.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Accepting shortfalls is a good way to not be in the job for very long

When has a public employee or official ever lost their job because of deficits.

 

[Briancuse]

He's promoting a former highly successful NJ high school coach to the position.

Losing Fran hurts his instate recruiting. This is an effort to offset it.

Also, he's trying to upgrade the position coaching as that's where he lays the blame for their struggles.

Its why he recruited so many transfer kids and added a bunch more out of high school on the OL.

His philosophy is throw a ton of kids in the mix and pray you find five serviceable Big Ten OL from it.

Who is that?

 

[HtownOrange]

He's promoting a former highly successful NJ high school coach to the position.

Losing Fran hurts his instate recruiting. This is an effort to offset it.

Also, he's trying to upgrade the position coaching as that's where he lays the blame for their struggles.

Its why he recruited so many transfer kids and added a bunch more out of high school on the OL.

His philosophy is throw a ton of kids in the mix and pray you find five serviceable Big Ten OL from it.

Fair assessment.

If I recall, Shady hired several unknowns at high dollar to create a new team. Apparently that didn't work. You have to wonder how well this willing work.

 

[orangefog]

Is Schiano well liked in the coaching world?

 

[Briancuse]

Is Schiano well liked in the coaching world?

College? High school. A buddy of mine has coached high school football for the past 30 years in NJ. He's a Rutgers grad. Refused to root for his Alma mater during Schianos first stint at Rutgers. Disliked the man that much. He's kind of over it now but still shows you how shady he is.

 

[orangefog]

College? High school. A buddy of mine has coached high school football for the past 30 years in NJ. He's a Rutgers grad. Refused to root for his Alma mater during Schianos first stint at Rutgers. Disliked the man that much. He's kind of over it now but still shows you how shady he is.

I was thinking among other college coaches, but high school, too. Thanks for the story of your friend. The reason I ask about how well liked he is, especially among college coaches is, I wonder how easy it is for him to find quality coaches. Does he go to the high school ranks because most qualified college coaches don't want to work for him? I do understand the recruiting aspect, and how hiring a well respected high school coach may boost recruiting in the region that coach comes from, but if you are at a P5 school, you should be able to identify and pluck up and coming coaches from other P5 or lower colleges with relative ease.

 

[TheCusian]

When has a public employee or official ever lost their job because of deficits.

Eh, plenty. No need to flex here. It's not inexhaustible in Piscataway. And if they keep on the barely respectable train, it will continue to be a story everyone picks on them for. Bad publicity is a real job killer.

 

[Hoo's That]

When has a public employee or official ever lost their job because of deficits.

Public employees are not responsible for deficits. They do not set tax policy. They submit a budget request and the legislative branch is free to add or remove items as they see fit. And, as far as removing public officials is concerned, legislators and executives at all levels of government are elected here and if they're kept, it was the electorate's choice. Suggest you review a Government 101 textbook.

 

[HtownOrange]

Is Schiano well liked in the coaching world?

He ranks right up there with the plague, cancer, politicians, etc.

Seriously, he is the former NFL coach that orders his defense to attack the victory formation/take-a-knee to run the clock when he could not get the ball back. That explains the guys the potential coach would work for.

I cannot speak for others, yet when i interview for positions,no try to get info on the business and the people I will work for and around. When the info was not good, I have withdrawn my application, unless I was being hired to fix the problems. Regarding Shady, you cannot fix him. He has a mindset and everything else is wrong and everyone else is to blame.

My opinion is that he was given lost of rope. Now he is seeing his lack of results and he feels the rope tightening around his neck. His only selling point is he led Rutgers to mediocrity in the old Big East, his scams are not working in the B1G East. And he has no redemptive qualities like Dino has (good person, expects team to thrive in academics, good personalty with donors, media, and alumni, etc.). I think Shady's leash is very short.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Public employees are not responsible for deficits. They do not set tax policy. They submit a budget request and the legislative branch is free to add or remove items as they see fit. And, as far as removing public officials is concerned, legislators and executives at all levels of government are elected here and if they're kept, it was the electorate's choice. Suggest you review a Government 101 textbook.

Understood. The post I responded to said he might lose his job due to deficits.

 

[Pharm73]

Who would ever want to work for Shitano

It is true that he is very demanding of his assistants and hard to work for