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The alliance scheduling agreement already looks dead in football
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The northeast is all but dead as a region for CFB. If Syracuse the school, with its sports history, were located in OH or VA, it would be worth a whole lot more money as a conference member.
The only school in a northeastern state that has a football program worth real money to a major conference is PSU. The only school located in a northeastern state that has a basketball program worth money to a major conference is Syracuse. Pitt has value for its location, 30 miles from OH and the midwest, but Pitt still would be of meaningful value only if in the same league as PSU playing annually or in the same league ND and playing annually.
Not even the most dementia destroyed or insane basketball-only booster from Dook or UNC would lobby to add another school located in the northeast.
money isnt everything to everybody you do realize and schools arent going to go out of the geography footprint for just the money. The bigten would have to take a significant portion of those schools for any of them to leave and since i dont't see leagues going past 16 per conference then we are fine. Also the acc kinda keeps its moves out of the media until they actually happen and you have no way to tell whether or not we are trying to work a deal with sec, just because we went against expansion doesnt mean we are aligning everything with bigten
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They do not, nor are they likely to be ND boosters who matter. But they may well speak for the majority of ND football boosters.
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Why would the football schools in the ACC care if there was an ACC/SEC alliance who else was added? The income would rise dramatically.
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Notre Dame's position proves this out.
About a decade ago, before the BT added Maryland and then Rutgers, Jim Delaney said in public that the BT was studying expansion and that included numbers of more than 16 members.
The BT always has been filthy rich. It has never needed ND to be filthy rich. All the BT needs now is an upgrade in football talent to be as good as the SEC.
Yes, I do think that the BT would expand to at least 20 to get into the South in enough states to rival the SEC for signing top Southern recruits.
I also think the SEC will expand to at least 20 in order to make certain the BT cannot get a sound footing in the South.
Let me show you how it works: if UNC were nuts enough to want to leave Dook behind, and UNC and UVA agreed to go to the BT whore, that would not help BT football any. That is only 2 states, and neither has anywhere near the talent of FL or GA. Worse, the SEC then could take VT and NCSU and neutralize all that the BT got with UNC and UVA.
So to get even UNC and UVA, the BT is going to have to agree to take VT, Dook, and NCSU. If the BT is at 19, it will then be stupid not to add Clemson, which is a monster program located 80 miles from GA.
The SEC is not going to sit still and allow that to happen. The SEC will act to protect its eastern side. The SEC knows that ND in the BT will never hurt SEC football in any way, but even those 6 ACC schools in the BT would hurt SEC football by opening up the South in a huge way to BT recruiting.
And if that BT will go to 20, why not add GT, FSU, and Miami to deep planted firmly in the Deep South and really make the SEC sweat.
If a neighborhood has an average home price of 1 million, and you build some houses in the middle of the subdivision worth only 300K, more than a few million dollar home owners will start looking to get out.
BC is already a major drag on the ACC with no possible upside. Schools like UConn, UMass, Buffalo, Temple would only make that infinitely worse.
The northeast is poison for CFB.
If the ACC expands, the school we can get and should take is Cincy. OH loves CFB, and OH produces at least twice the talent of New England, NY, and PA combined.
You can bet that ESPN knows it is worth much more to try to land OH CFB fans as regular viewers than the nearly non-existent New England and NY CFB fans.
CFB's valuable regions are the South and the midwest. CA used to be valuable, but has been declining in CFB TV viewers steadily since the late 1980s.
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There has really never been football played in a major conference in the northeast since the Ivy league decommished their football. That's why it has atrophied. If what I put forth happened, the rivalries would be intense and it would build up fast.
Money doesn’t matter to UVA and UNC.
Money matters to Florida State and Clemson.
Chris, I see the chess board for it is.
You try and see the good i see the realism of situations.
The Big Ten wants into ACC/SEC areas as their end game.
UNC can be patience they know they will be fine.
If the Big Ten offered Florida State you have no clue if they would say no.
That is the problem with the ACC.
Its not stable.
Notre Dame doesn’t care they just want the status quo.
If the ACC isn’t proactive then like chess when the opponent makes their move you better be ready.
This alliance was a mistake. Sadly I don’t know if the ACC knows that or cares.
They committed to the Big XII.
The ACC isn’t adding another mouth without ND.
Cincinnati isn’t adding 30+ million in value.
The Big XII is going to get enough money to survive but they are going to be 5th long term unless the ACC gets eaten by the Big Ten.
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No. Cincy would become a mid-level team and their fans would lose interest. They are a big dog in the AAC, they wouldn't be in the ACC.
The ACC isn't going to survive until the GOR runs out. Swofford sold out the conference with all his bad moves. ESPN isn't going to help, they have all the content until 2036 at a cheap price.
I don't see fsu nor Clemson going to the bigten no matter what the money difference is. The bigten may want into the south regions as there end game but its going to be hard to get 2 schools to leave there historic rivals in the acc for just financial reasons, when they could go to sec which is a better fit and its in their footprint and the money will be better. Espn isn't lowballing us recently, with only 1 dominate team, espn had no reason to pay us more for historically good teams that have mediocre the last decade(fsu,miami, VT). The super long contract is the prior commishs fault but extending to get the accn launch was entirely the root move as was the arrangement with ND(despite your hatred, they helped with accn subs/$ and to stabilize the conference after we were gotten by the big ten poaching Maryland ). I do see your point to some degree as we need to be ready in case something does happen but we don't need to be public about doing anything except trying to get the division less scheduling model through and getting as many universities to vote our way once we propose it again once covid is in the rearview
Unless the ACC can find a way out of the GOR with ESPN, there is no way it will be around by 2030.
You can't compete with the SEC, and Big 10 when they make twice as much money as you do.
ESPN is getting all the content of the ACC for pennies on the dollar. They have no reason to give the ACC more money, they can spend it on the SEC, which they already have with Texas, and Oklahoma.
twice is much is likely not accurate and its very unlikely to ever be accurate
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The B1G is looking at a hundred million per team for their new contract. SEC will get as much or more. How much will the ACC get?
i ll believe the big ten will get that much when it actually happens, this year the acc will be in the 37-40 range
Big Ten is going to double their
Previous contract.
They will get a billion dollars a year.
NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN all bidding.
Big Ten just from TV is going to get a minimum of 70 million dollars per team and that won’t include Big Ten network or tickets/sponsors.
You are underrepresenting the numbers.
The Big Ten and SEC new contracts aren’t even factored into their payouts now and they are getting 15-20 million more per year.
all contracts are backloaded as im sure the acc 's is too and likely a bump coming once we get past the prior agreed deal below market that runs through 24 or 26. My acc numbers dont factor in tickets or sponsor either so that really is irrelevant .
Good god the ACC isn’t getting to 50 million dollars for a while the SEC and Big Ten will be closer to 100 million per year.
I am being cautious saying 70
Million per year.
With BTN it will be a lot more.
The Big Ten will get to the market again before the ACC will again.
That contract for the ACC in exchange for a network was cherry on the top of terrible leadership by Swofford.
It was to our benefit but it crushed the ACC.
Which is why Florida State could be poachable.
We don’t know.
The ACC isn’t ever going to be a top 2 league but working with Big Ten is a trojan horse and Notre Dame being allowed to have their cake and it as well is not helping.
That 1 game on ACCN just shows how that network is barely stable.
The ACC completely screwed up with this alliance.
Too bad I don’t think the ACC leadership realizes this.
That contract for the ACC in exchange for a network was cherry on the top of terrible leadership by Swofford.
It was to our benefit but it crushed the ACC.
Which is why Florida State could be poachable.
We don’t know.
The ACC isn’t ever going to be a top 2 league but working with Big Ten is a trojan horse and Notre Dame being allowed to have their cake and it as well is not helping.
That 1 game on ACCN just shows how that network is barely stable.
The ACC completely screwed up with this alliance.
Too bad I don’t think the ACC leadership realizes this.
i never said 50 million so your putting words in my mouth. Im just saying at some point the tv money isnt going to keep going through the roof as streaming is still a much cheaper option for live sports see nfl's thursday night package going to amazon prime starting this year and sunday ticket leaving regular tv after this year
if this is the only alliance you could be right
