The Annual Bubble Discussion Thread - 2021 Version

[Cusefan0307]

Michigan State has 3 better wins than our best win.
@ Duke, Illinois, Ohio State are better than anything we have.

How you say they have no business being in the conservation when our best 3 wins are Virginia Tech, Clemson and @ NC State.
If we played Michigan State’s schedule i don’t think we are even at .500.

The Big Ten is a lot better than the ACC this season.
It’s not even close.

Ehh little bit of hyperbole there. They scored 37 points at the RAC.

 

[Alsacs]

Ehh little bit of hyperbole there. They scored 37 points at the RAC.

In 2016 we lost at St. John’s.

Bad losses aren’t as bad as good wins.

Every bubble team has shown they can lose. That is why the committee looks at who you beat.

Michigan State vs. Syracuse resume wise it’s not even close. We have more wins that isn’t going to matter.

 

[Cusefan0307]

In 2016 we lost at St. John’s.

Bad losses aren’t as bad as good wins.

Every bubble team has shown they can lose. That is why the committee looks at who you bear.

FWIW we would be favored against them on a neutral court.

 

[Alsacs]

FWIW we would be favored against them on a neutral court.

They beat Illinois and Ohio State.
I don’t think we would.

 

[Cusefan0307]

They beat Illinois and Ohio State.
I don’t think we would.

We don’t know because most of our best games have been canceled. They are 61 in KenPom. Maybe they make a run in Indianapolis, but you have to go back to 2014 the last time someone made the tournament as an at large with that KenPom rating.

 

[Alsacs]

We don’t know because most of our best games have been canceled. They are 61 in KenPom. Maybe they make a run in Indianapolis, but you have to go back to 2014 the last time someone made the tournament as an at large with that KenPom rating.

I go by what I said.
All the bubble teams have shown they can lose.
I look at resumes and see who has beaten whom and where those wins factor in teams in the field.

I wish we played more good teams so we could have better wins.
I don’t think Virginia Tech would finish in the top 5 of the Big Ten.
The ACC is down and the Big Ten is too heavy.

 

[ORRange]

They beat Illinois and Ohio State.
I don’t think we would.

Baloney. We absolutely would be favored on a neutral court. Look at Kenpom.

 

[Chris02M]

Quad one wins

It’s 1-30 at home wins.
31-50 at neutral site
51-75 on the road.

So only our road win would be a quad 1 win. It’s a solid win at home to be fairS

if Virginia tech makes a deep acc tourney run they could sneak into top 30

 

[NineOneSeven]

We don’t know because most of our best games have been canceled. They are 61 in KenPom. Maybe they make a run in Indianapolis, but you have to go back to 2014 the last time someone made the tournament as an at large with that KenPom rating.

We were left out in 2016-2017 but pretty sure our exact argument then was “look who we beat”, because who you can beat should mean more than who you lost to. At least that’s what we were clamoring.

 

[Knicks411]

We're about 1 point better on KP than Michigan State. I guess we'd probably be favored, but if it was, maybe a point? I don't think we're talking a huge difference here

 

[Knicks411]

We were left out in 2016-2017 but pretty sure our exact argument then was “look who we beat”, because who you can beat should mean more than who you lost to. At least that’s what we were clamoring.

First rule of life on the bubble is whatever you did well at is what should matter the most to the committee

 

[Cusefan0307]

Honestly, if there’s this big push to get Sparty in then Minnesota deserves to be as well. Sure they have cratered recently, but they have more good wins than Sparty.

 

[Alsacs]

Honestly, if there’s this big push to get Sparty in then Minnesota deserves to be as well. Sure they have cratered recently, but they have more good wins than Sparty.

I think Minnesota is going to get in if they are over .500.

Good wins are what matter the most for me after I studying committee precedents.

 

[ORRange]

We're about 1 point better on KP than Michigan State. I guess we'd probably be favored, but if it was, maybe a point? I don't think we're talking a huge difference here

Its huge if there is money on it.

 

[Alsacs]

We were left out in 2016-2017 but pretty sure our exact argument then was “look who we beat”, because who you can beat should mean more than who you lost to. At least that’s what we were clamoring.

2016-2017 is a great counter but I would say that season a full nonconference schedule across the nation screwed us.

This season not many teams are playing a full schedule. That season we beat a 3 seed Duke, 4 seed Florida State and 5 seed Virginia.
The Michigan State wins over Ohio State and Illinois this season are better.

Thus in a that type of season you reward good wins.

 

[walsh2012]

sparty will be a 9 seed and not deserve it

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think Minnesota is going to get in if they are over .500.

Good wins are what matter the most for me after I studying committee precedents.

Maybe, but they aren't on one matrix on bracketologist.com.

 

[Alsacs]

Maybe, but they aren't on one matrix on bracketologist.com.

Georgia Tech wasn’t a week ago either.

Matrix isn’t always right. The Big Ten is getting 9 teams.

Michigan/Iowa/Illinois/Ohio State/Wisconsin/Purdue/Maryland/Rutgers/Michigan State.

Minnesota on bubble if they are over .500.

 

[blust2i3d4]

I think more like (total ACCT wins):

0 = 33%
1 = 66%
2 = 95%
3 = 99%
4 = 100%

 

[Briancuse]

Georgia Tech wasn’t a week ago either.

Matrix isn’t always right. The Big Ten is getting 9 teams.

Michigan/Iowa/Illinois/Ohio State/Wisconsin/Purdue/Maryland/Rutgers/Michigan State.

Minnesota on bubble if they are over .500.

So who do we root for Minny or Rutgers?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Georgia Tech wasn’t a week ago either.

Matrix isn’t always right. The Big Ten is getting 9 teams.

Michigan/Iowa/Illinois/Ohio State/Wisconsin/Purdue/Maryland/Rutgers/Michigan State.

Minnesota on bubble if they are over .500.

I'm aware, but it still has only missed on 6 teams on it's entirety the past 5 seasons. If a team is even close to the bubble they show up on some brackets.

 

[Alsacs]

So who do we root for Minny or Rutgers?

Rutgers is going to make it Minnesota isn’t as close.
I go for Rutgers put Minnesota at .500 and knock them out.

 

[Briancuse]

Rutgers is going to make it Minnesota isn’t as close.
I go for Rutgers put Minnesota at .500 and knock them out.

If Rutgers loses the next two they won't, they haven't done squat since beating Purdue in December.

 

[syrBossHogg]

2016-2017 is a great counter but I would say that season a full nonconference schedule across the nation screwed us.

This season not many teams are playing a full schedule. That season we beat a 3 seed Duke, 4 seed Florida State and 5 seed Virginia.
The Michigan State wins over Ohio State and Illinois this season are better.

Thus in a that type of season you reward good wins.

FYI Duke was a 2 seed that year and FSU was a 3 seed

 

[STL_CuseFan]

How is Boise St in the tourney with their losses? They haven't beat really anybody worth a damn.