the crane the crane

[upperdeck]

how about getting one of those guys who does the huge outdoor murals around the world. it would be a huge art space to use up. we could do a big orange slice?

 

[Moontan]

They could also create huge thick plastic boards with images on them and install them between between the columns.

 

[DoubleDee]

They could also create huge thick plastic boards with images on them and install them between between the columns.

With the likes of Siok, McCorkle, and Erik Rogers for example.

 

[BillSU]

Oh but the full moon the past few nights has been glorious.

Legacy did you see it at its fullest last night? Walking my dog Winsome at 5:30 this A.M. I stood and watched it for at least 5 minutes - very glorious. Thank you for the reminder that it was going to be.

 

[sutomcat]

Two more girders are in place.

We are officially down to the Final Four.

Happy Trails Walt.

 

[BillSU]

Hate to bring a bit of bad news to this party but tomorrows forecast is a knuckle sandwich. Walt is going to have to be down after work today. So it looks like we lose two days when we are really rolling!


Thu.
4/9

50°Hi

Winds becoming strong; mostly cloudy with rain tapering off


Wind: W at 21 mph

Wind Gusts: 32 mph

Probability of Precipitation: 67%

Probability of Thunderstorms: 20%

Precipitation: 0.19 in

Rain: 0.19 in

Snow: 0.0 in

Ice: 0.00 in

Hours of Precipitation: 2.5

Hours of Rain: 2.5

AND THEN:
Fri.
4/10

42°Hi

Mostly cloudy, windy and cooler with a couple of snow showers; storm total snowfall an inch or two

Wind: WNW at 21 mph

Wind Gusts: 28 mph

Probability of Precipitation: 67%

Probability of Thunderstorms: 10%

Precipitation: 0.11 in

Rain: 0.00 in

Snow: 0.8 in

Ice: 0.00 in

Hours of Precipitation: 4

 

[upperdeck]

will they attempt any more spirals? do they have any left? If walt is really done then this is the last 2fer day we will ever see..

 

[BillSU]

IT'S LUNCHTIME!!!! LAST ONE FOR WALT I GUESS. Every one says he's going - didn't hear that - maybe due to the weather he'll be around a bit longer. Or not. If your definitely outta here BYE!!!

 

[CuseLegacy]

Not including exterior lighting with the interior lighting bid is completely short sided and pretty typical when it comes to Syracuse. Not really shocked after hearing the benches are going back in.

There are reasons that the benches are going back in some having to do with the ADA.

 

[sutomcat]

There are reasons that the benches are going back in some having to do with the ADA.

Yes, SU wanted to replace them but the federal government said changing them would trigger ADA. It will cost over $100 million to bring the dome into compliance for ADA. Not in the cards for a small private school with limited resources.

I suspect there will be negotiations on this someday in the future but SUAD did the right thing and spent the money they had to work with on their most pressing needs first.

 

[BillSU]

I love a story with a happy ending.

 

[All4SU]

Good thing those guys on the ground are wearing hard hats. If one of those girders drops, they’ll be glad they wore them.

 

[TexanMark]

Good thing those guys on the ground are wearing hard hats. If one of those girders drops, they’ll be glad they wore them.

Never hurt Wily Coyote

 

[Cusefan78]

and it turns out not doing that stuff was a good decision with the hundreds of millions of debt they just incurred. CP stuff all over is getting shut down.

Yes, SU wanted to replace them but the federal government said changing them would trigger ADA. It will cost over $100 million to bring the dome into compliance for ADA. Not in the cards for a small private school with limited resources.

I suspect there will be negotiations on this someday in the future but SUAD did the right thing and spent the money they had to work with on their most pressing needs first.

during planning all talks where about ada compliance. Here is one of a bunch of articles talking about ada.

10 things to know about the Carrier Dome renovations

Syracuse’s planned improvements include a new roof and is expected to be completed by the fall of 2020.

dailyorange.com

 

[longtimefan]

during planning all talks where about ada compliance. Here is one of a bunch of articles talking about ada.

10 things to know about the Carrier Dome renovations

Syracuse’s planned improvements include a new roof and is expected to be completed by the fall of 2020.

dailyorange.com

That might all apply to a seating status quo. Changing the seating opens a whole new can of worms. Maybe some day, maybe not. Michigan, ND, etc. all get along with bench seating.

 

[sutomcat]

during planning all talks where about ada compliance. Here is one of a bunch of articles talking about ada.

10 things to know about the Carrier Dome renovations

Syracuse’s planned improvements include a new roof and is expected to be completed by the fall of 2020.

dailyorange.com

The dome is not subject to ADA because it was built before ADA was passed. SU did have discussions with the feds about ADA as part of planning. They thought they were fine but they were told at the last second that replacing the seats would trigger a requirement to bring the facility completely up to date with current ADA requirements. This was a surprise to them. That requirement is typically triggered only when major renovations are made (i.e. expanding the stadium, expanding the concourses, adding a new deck, etc.).

Bringing it into full compliance is an extremely expensive process. More expensive that putting a new roof on the building. We are talking about a cost of well over $100 million.

I think it is a shame that a relatively inexpensive and minor change that would have benefited many fans and addressed one of the biggest complaints about attending games at the dome had to be scrubbed because of a senseless decision by the feds. I have family and friends who are disabled and none of them think the decision makes sense either. Common sense. Sometimes it isn't that common.

 

[JRHEETER]

personally, I like the benches.

just wish they would paint them orange!

 

[xc84]

Getting closer to Shazzan time:

 

[OrangeXtreme]

personally, I like the benches.

just wish they would paint them orange!

Just wish they would renumber them.

Can't get 34 people across anymore. The average person must have been a lot skinnier 40 years ago.

 

[longtimefan]

Just wish they would renumber them.

Can't get 34 people across anymore. The average person must have been a lot skinnier 40 years ago.

I know I was.

 

[Sudano]

The dome is not subject to ADA because it was built before ADA was passed. SU did have discussions with the feds about ADA as part of planning. They thought they were fine but they were told at the last second that replacing the seats would trigger a requirement to bring the facility completely up to date with current ADA requirements. This was a surprise to them. That requirement is typically triggered only when major renovations are made (i.e. expanding the stadium, expanding the concourses, adding a new deck, etc.).

Bringing it into full compliance is an extremely expensive process. More expensive that putting a new roof on the building. We are talking about a cost of well over $100 million.

I think it is a shame that a relatively inexpensive and minor change that would have benefited many fans and addressed one of the biggest complaints about attending games at the dome had to be scrubbed because of a senseless decision by the feds. I have family and friends who are disabled and none of them think the decision makes sense either. Common sense. Sometimes it isn't that common.

Where are you coming up with the $100 million figure. Makes no sense. If you're going to replace seats anyway its not an additional $100m to make that seating compliant. There's some additional cost but not that.
There's no way they should have gotten away with alot of it even in 1980. You don't always need a law to do the right thing. It was very trendy during that period to just ignore what the disabled community was saying. I know I was there. The first thing during discussion is to overstate expense and the trouble to making changes when in fact universal design is more logical to the overall population and far less expensive than builders say. Its called innovation, its inexpensive, and it costs what it costs. Just do it. Oh the trouble...

 

[CuseLegacy]

Where are you coming up with the $100 million figure. Makes no sense. If you're going to replace seats anyway its not an additional $100m to make that seating compliant. There's some additional cost but not that.
There's no way they should have gotten away with alot of it even in 1980. You don't always need a law to do the right thing. It was very trendy during that period to just ignore what the disabled community was saying. I know I was there. The first thing during discussion is to overstate expense and the trouble to making changes when in fact universal design is more logical to the overall population and far less expensive than builders say. Its called innovation, its inexpensive, and it costs what it costs. Just do it. Oh the trouble...

Reread his post. It's not just making the seating ADA compliant but rather if you change the seating the entire facility would have to be made ADA compliant to current standards.

 

[upperdeck]

it could mean a bunch of elevator/escalator/bath room changes/ more handicap seating/signage/ and not just inside changes it may trigger completely different parking and entrance rules.

 

[Nick44]

I'm sure SU would be happy to install lighting if you would like to make a donation for it.
I've always said it's easy to be free- wheeling when it comes to other people's money.

What a foolish statement. Let me guess, you must also be in the “this is already a major renovation, what more can you ask for?” camp.

It’s pretty simple. If you want to do something right, why not do it right the first time? If you are going to spend $120 million on a renovation, why not consider spending the additional $25k to have proper lighting installed?? Seems like a no brainer to me to do it right now then revisit in a couple of years.

But go on with your foolish comments.

 

[Nick44]

There are a lot of things that could be done, but time and money are issues in the "get 'er done" world. I would like to see a brick or stone facade between the pillars. The gray monolith is something out of the Stalinist Soviet Union School of Architecture.

There’s a difference between a string of LED lighting and your brick or stone facade comparison. But go ahead and be dramatic about it.