the crane the crane

[CuseLegacy]

 

[SU68]

Didn't have Legos but had Lincoln Logs, my old Dad's erector set, and loved assembling models. I went from plastic to metal ones as I got older.

Same. No Legos because they hadn't been invented when I was a kid.

 

[Qbobby]

They are now reinforcing the big top section of the triangles with cross steel. So.. will future triangle be bigger since these current 4 are the ones where the PFTE comes closest to the truss? Assuming there will be other triangles for support, or will the solid roof be anchored to these triangles and just secured to the cables?

 

[CuseLegacy]

They are now reinforcing the big top section of the triangles with cross steel. So.. will future triangle be bigger since these current 4 are the ones where the PFTE comes closest to the truss? Assuming there will be other triangles for support, or will the solid roof be anchored to these triangles and just secured to the cables?

Just my guess, but looking at those other stadium projects there will be more steel for support.

 

[NJCuse97]

I believe that, in addition to the roof itself, the crown truss is engineered to hold 7,000 tons of snow. I would hope it could handle some framing that wasn't 100% balanced. But maybe not.

They are continuing to put those white, star shaped panels up on the cable net, from the outside and the inside. Very interested to know what their purpose is.

We building nerds prefer 14,000 kips

 

[sutomcat]

We building nerds prefer 14,000 kips

If you prefer it, I will switch to it too. How strong is that compared to other large buildings?

Could we ever have a horrible collapse like they had in that dumpy arena in Hartford?

 

[NJCuse97]

Same. No Legos because they hadn't been invented when I was a kid.

1949

Lego - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[NJCuse97]

If you prefer it, I will switch to it too. How strong is that compared to other large buildings?

Could we ever have a horrible collapse like they had in that dumpy arena in Hartford?

Kip is a unit of weight. Its a 2:1 of Kips and Tons. 1,000 lbs in a Kip vs 2,000 lbs. in a Ton. I would have to believe that they have a design safety factor of about 4 on this and with that they probably also have a snow melt system in there. I had heard that was a concern where the PTFE meets the solid roof, and have to believe snow melt (hot water piping more likely than electricity, but I honestly don't know) was incorporated.

 

[All4SU]

When I was a kid, Lincoln logs hadn’t been introduced yet because Abe was still
In office.

 

[Stevenson]

I’m so old that when I was on a gameshow many years ago the Grand Prize was fire.

 

[sutomcat]

Lincoln logs, erector sets, tinker toys and logos.

It was good being a kid.

Tinkertoy - The Strong National Museum of Play

Inducted Year: 1998 Stonemason Charles Pajeau and partner Robert Petit dreamed up the “Thousand Wonder Toy” in the early 1910s after watching children create endless abstract shapes with sticks, pencils, and old spools of thread. Adding holes on all sides of a round wooden wheel sized for sticks...

www.toyhalloffame.org

 

[upperdeck]

man you cant argue about the pace they are taking now buildings these triangles.. Dont know how many they have to do but these things go up fast when you think back to the slowness of the ring truss that seemed to drag by

 

[upperdeck]

in all the talk of the new roof was there ever a study posted on the new acoustics? seeing the angles of the hard shell roof as it goes up and it makes you wonder if its going to reflect more than the old shape/fabric of the dome.

 

[CU44SE]

in all the talk of the new roof was there ever a study posted on the new acoustics? seeing the angles of the hard shell roof as it goes up and it makes you wonder if its going to reflect more than the old shape/fabric of the dome.

I have been wondering this for a while, unfortunately I think it will be quieter because the roof will be higher, creating more space that needs to be filled. I hope we dont lose too much of that noise, time will tell I guess.
But, when I looked at articles online regarding the old metrodome and the new US bank stadium, it says that ETFE (I know we are not using ETFE, but are using a similar material), is supposed to be more acoustically reflective then teflon.



Does anyone remember how much higher the roof will be? I cant seem to find the new dimensions.

looks like i found an average of 6 feet higher, with the center being 29 feet higher in the new dome.

 

[hoopsupstate]

There’s also going to be a lot more metal/steel in the roof. I would think the solid portion of the roof should create more noise. That is pretty much directly above the seating areas.

 

[sutomcat]

in all the talk of the new roof was there ever a study posted on the new acoustics? seeing the angles of the hard shell roof as it goes up and it makes you wonder if its going to reflect more than the old shape/fabric of the dome.

Pete Sala thinks the home field advantage is going to be even better. I believe he has a degree from UMass in landscaping so he might not be a preeminent expert in acoustics.

Carrier Dome roof renovation will improve natural lighting ‘a little bit’

While Syracuse had hoped that its Carrier Dome renovation would bring substantially more natural light into the building, the current plans will improve it "a little bit."

www.syracuse.com

It has been reported that the new roof will be on average 5 to 10 feet higher than the old one. We know the new roof will be 29 feet higher than the old roof.

However, those measurements are to the top of the roof. The new roof is going to be a lot thicker than the old one. Not sure how thick the hard shell part will be but I think a conservative guess would be 5 or 10 feet.

So the interior part of the new roof should be about the same distance than the old one, at least for the hard shell part. The PTFE part should be quite a bit further away...up to 29 feet at the apex.

But there will be a very large scoreboard considerably closer to the stands blocking and reflecting sound.

The material of the new roof is essentially the same as the old roof for the PTFE part. I would think that would be a wash.

Not 100% sure what the material is that will comprise the inner layer of the hard shell. From the one drawing we have, it looks like a fabric covering will be used. Probably similar acoustic properties to the inner layer the old roof featured for most of the panels. Though I would guess all the steel in the hard shell might bounce more bounce than a couple of layers of fabric. I am assuming Pfeiffer will use their standard opaque tiles as the outer layer of the roof until someone tells me otherwise. That might bounce more sound too.

Sala mentioned in another article that there will be insulation in the hard shell part of the roof. He said it had to be there. I assume it is needed to keep heat in during the winter and keep cool air in during the summer. That Insulation will surely serve to absorb sound and worsen the noise level.

My guess is that all the differences end up pretty much offsetting each other and the building ends up being about as noisy as it was before.

 

[upperdeck]

I would be surprised that the an accustic survey wasnt part of the whole design.. even with all the changes the big one to me is that the angles have completely changed over the crowd from a soft round to a hard line.

 

[RandomGuy]

I would be surprised that the an accustic survey wasnt part of the whole design.. even with all the changes the big one to me is that the angles have completely changed over the crowd from a soft round to a hard line.

The studies exist.

Depending on the PTFE used... It can have a high sound absorption rate of 5-7db. We dont know the difference in rates from the old roof, to the new(or which PTFE was chosen). I'd think with the info available, Sala may actually have something to go off of.

US9969151B2 - High sound absorption coefficient expanded PTFE composite fiber cotton - Google Patents

The present invention discloses a high sound absorption coefficient expanded PTFE composite fiber cotton, comprising a melt-blown high polymer fibrous layer and an expanded PTFE film layers or a modified film layer of expanded PTFE, the modified film layer of expanded PTFE is made by conducting...

patents.google.com

 

[kcsu]

Lincoln logs, erector sets, tinker toys and logos.

It was good being a kid.

Tinkertoy - The Strong National Museum of Play

Inducted Year: 1998 Stonemason Charles Pajeau and partner Robert Petit dreamed up the “Thousand Wonder Toy” in the early 1910s after watching children create endless abstract shapes with sticks, pencils, and old spools of thread. Adding holes on all sides of a round wooden wheel sized for sticks...

www.toyhalloffame.org

The Wild Wild West and my Favorite, I Dream of Jeannie

 

[sutomcat]

The studies exist.

Depending on the PTFE used... It can have a high sound absorption rate of 5-7db. We dont know the difference in rates from the old roof, to the new(or which PTFE was chosen). I'd think with the info available, Sala may actually have something to go off of.

US9969151B2 - High sound absorption coefficient expanded PTFE composite fiber cotton - Google Patents

The present invention discloses a high sound absorption coefficient expanded PTFE composite fiber cotton, comprising a melt-blown high polymer fibrous layer and an expanded PTFE film layers or a modified film layer of expanded PTFE, the modified film layer of expanded PTFE is made by conducting...

patents.google.com

I am sure SU did studies and has a lot of data on this. Whether Sala is capable of understanding that data and articulating it...is debatable. It appears he has little or no ability to discuss technical topics.

He is ‘not a fan’ of providing data.

 

[bnoro]

I am sure SU did studies and has a lot of data on this. Whether Sala is capable of understanding that data and articulating it...is debatable. It appears he has little or no ability to discuss technical topics.

He is ‘not a fan’ of providing data.

Underpromise, overdeliver. Why make public certain things that don't have to be made public? Giving construction timetables and studies about the roof just give people a punching bag if they aren't hit. And to be honest, it's really only the 50 people on this thread really want that information.

No idea why Pete Sala has become such a negative figure on this board. All because he didn't put a timelapse camera inside the dome (even though we can see everything going on now)?

 

[cuse309]

We building nerds prefer 14,000 kips

Here ya go

X's 14,000

 

[sutomcat]

Underpromise, overdeliver. Why make public certain things that don't have to be made public? Giving construction timetables and studies about the roof just give people a punching bag if they aren't hit. And to be honest, it's really only the 50 people on this thread really want that information.

No idea why Pete Sala has become such a negative figure on this board. All because he didn't put a timelapse camera inside the dome (even though we can see everything going on now)?

Oh, there are many reasons besides the lack of a camera inside the dome that people on the board dislike Pete.

SU is in the entertainment business bnoro. When undertaking a project of this importance for the athletic department, it would be prudent to provide information to generate interest in the base that they want to target to buy tickets and SU merchandise. The project updates (or lack thereof) are a lost opportunity to generate interest and excitement.

If you are saying Pete Sala should not be giving project updates and serving as the face of the project, based on his skill set. I totally agree. Pete does some things very well. He is a very competent employee who has served his role at SU with some distinction.

I am saying SU should have someone serving as the face of the project who is qualified to discuss complex projects, someone who has interest in communicating, someone with some sense of public relations, etc.

That said, it appears unlikely there will be any fans in the stands this season for football or basketball. Given that, the damage having this guy as the face of the project is minimal.

We can all be happy about that.

 

[bnoro]

Oh, there are many reasons besides the lack of a camera inside the dome that people on the board dislike Pete.

SU is in the entertainment business bnoro. When undertaking a project of this importance for the athletic department, it would be prudent to provide information to generate interest in the base that they want to target to buy tickets and SU merchandise. The project updates (or lack thereof) are a lost opportunity to generate interest and excitement.

If you are saying Pete Sala should not be giving project updates and serving as the face of the project, based on his skill set. I totally agree. Pete does some things very well. He is a very competent employee who has served his role at SU with some distinction.

I am saying SU should have someone serving as the face of the project who is qualified to discuss complex projects, someone who has interest in communicating, someone with some sense of public relations, etc.

That said, it appears unlikely there will be any fans in the stands this season for football or basketball. Given that, the damage having this guy as the face of the project is minimal.

We can all be happy about that.

I know what business SU is in. And you are massively overstating the impact of small project updates to generate interest. Outside of when the dome came down I haven't had any of my friends comment on the dome construction or even really care to talk about it. Most people just want to see what it looks like when it's done.

99% of the people that come to SU games don't know who Pete Sala is.

 

[CU44SE]

I know what business SU is in. And you are massively overstating the impact of small project updates to generate interest. Outside of when the dome came down I haven't had any of my friends comment on the dome construction or even really care to talk about it. Most people just want to see what it looks like when it's done.

99% of the people that come to SU games don't know who Pete Sala is.

If Covid was not a thing I would totally disagree with you because he should be marketing and trying to draw fans for season tickets. That may not be his job, but it should be SU’s job to market the project. Because of Covid however, it seems like they have kind of given up and are not giving updates because they know they don’t have to cater to the fans this year. But it’s disapointing because the fans are the lifeblood of the university. The Syracuse area is more important to the university than the alumni. Give the people what they want.