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[shandeezy7]

rumor is bills are going to be allowed to have fans on october 15th thursday night game of ~10k so if that is the case id think we would be allowed the same at that point

This rumor isn't that fans will be allowed then, the rumor is that the Bills are pushing for fans to be allowed then. A slight, but very important, detail.

 

[rocklloyd]

Let the fans in king cuomo ... other states can manage so can we. I can stay more socially distant in there than I can in Home Depot.

Home Depot is freaky on weekends. People come right at you.

 

[orangecuse]

The people who complain the loudest are the people who contributed the least amount of money.

You're right on cue, a lazy response as foreseen & anticipated.

 

[bnoro]

rumor is bills are going to be allowed to have fans on october 15th thursday night game of ~10k so if that is the case id think we would be allowed the same at that point

The Dome is an indoor structure. Bills Stadium is open air. Big difference.

Until we know it's safe they shouldn't be allowing people in. People can watch on TV, it's not a big deal. No need to bring thousands of non-students onto campus and risk undoing all the great work SU has done in keeping students safe so far.

If they want to allow students and family inside I think that's a different story.

 

[FasterCuse]

The Dome is an indoor structure. Bills Stadium is open air. Big difference.

Until we know it's safe they shouldn't be allowing people in. People can watch on TV, it's not a big deal. No need to bring thousands of non-students onto campus and risk undoing all the great work SU has done in keeping students safe so far.

If they want to allow students and family inside I think that's a different story.

100% this. I'd say let the students in for free, and keep everyone else out until we know it's safe to return. Just because other states are allowing this, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

100% this. I'd say let the students in for free, and keep everyone else out until we know it's safe to return. Just because other states are allowing this, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

We can't get the students to attend for free in a normal year.

 

[Qbobby]

The Dome is an indoor structure. Bills Stadium is open air. Big difference.

Until we know it's safe they shouldn't be allowing people in. People can watch on TV, it's not a big deal. No need to bring thousands of non-students onto campus and risk undoing all the great work SU has done in keeping students safe so far.

If they want to allow students and family inside I think that's a different story.

I agree... except for the fact that this week we literally can't watch it on tv.

 

[OttoMets]

The Dome is an indoor structure. Bills Stadium is open air. Big difference.

Until we know it's safe they shouldn't be allowing people in. People can watch on TV, it's not a big deal. No need to bring thousands of non-students onto campus and risk undoing all the great work SU has done in keeping students safe so far.

If they want to allow students and family inside I think that's a different story.

Generally agree, but allowing family opens up a big can of worms. What if a player's family member is, say, a rabid anti-masker (crazy hypothetical, I know)? It's in nobody's interest to invite that problem onto campus.

Prohibiting family members from attending, unfortunately, would be a PR disaster. So it's probably easiest to just keep the whole thing shut down.

 

[PhatOrange]

When is safe? Never ?

I understand the sentiment but there are literally thousands of people in and out of grocery stores and box stores all day long. Malls are even open. Limit it to 5k even. Mask up. No concessions.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

rumor is bills are going to be allowed to have fans on october 15th thursday night game of ~10k so if that is the case id think we would be allowed the same at that point

Outdoor vs indoor

 

[SUbear]

When is safe? Never ?

I understand the sentiment but there are literally thousands of people in and out of grocery stores and box stores all day long. Malls are even open. Limit it to 5k even. Mask up. No concessions.

And yet casinos are open, with masks. I have been several times using a full face respirator, thousands of people. How would this be different than a limited capacity stadium? It would not be.
Not one case has been traced back to these venues.
Talking about in NY.

 

[sutomcat]

And yet casinos are open, with masks. I have been several times using a full face respirator, thousands of people. How would this be different than a limited capacity stadium? It would not be.
Not one case has been traced back to these venues.
Talking about in NY.

Sporting events have played a key role in the spread of COVID.

Game zero played a key role in the spread of COVID in Europe.

Yes, limiting capacity will help reduce risk. As will asking fans to wear masks. But there is no guarantee fans will wear them appropriately. Behaviors typical at sporting events: screaming at the top of one's lungs, giving fist bumps and high fives, etc...are things you don't see at casinos.

They are not the same thing. I want to go to games as badly as anyone. But I understand and support the state, county and university if they decide it is not safe to allow fans to attend.

Game Zero: Spread of coronavirus in Europe linked to Champions League soccer match

The February game between Italy’s Atalanta and Spain’s Valencia, played in a Milan stadium with more than 45,000 fans, has been called a “biological bomb.”

www.tampabay.com

 

[721Comstock]

Agree 144% that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

That said - I think it looks GREAT.
Came out looking better than expected.

On a list ranking the top 100 most important things about this roof, being “aesthetically pleasing” to the masses is probably 90-something.

Given the HUGE limitations of building a roof on top of an existing structure that was never built to accommodate said roof, and getting it done on-time and within a reasonable budget is frankly a miracle.

But it’s the internet, so of course people are gonna bitch about it.

 

[SUbear]

Sporting events have played a key role in the spread of COVID.

Game zero played a key role in the spread of COVID in Europe.

Yes, limiting capacity will help reduce risk. As will asking fans to wear masks. But there is no guarantee fans will wear them appropriately. Behaviors typical at sporting events: screaming at the top of one's lungs, giving fist bumps and high fives, etc...are things you don't see at casinos.

They are not the same thing. I want to go to games as badly as anyone. But I understand and support the state, county and university if they decide it is not safe to allow fans to attend.

Game Zero: Spread of coronavirus in Europe linked to Champions League soccer match

The February game between Italy’s Atalanta and Spain’s Valencia, played in a Milan stadium with more than 45,000 fans, has been called a “biological bomb.”

www.tampabay.com

I do not agree with anything you just said. There is always some degree of risk in anything we do in life, the key is managing that risk not avoiding risk. For instance because I am at high risk I wear full face respirator rather than those stupid ineffective paper and cloth masks.
If you think people do not do the things that you say could spread virus you must never go to casinos.

By the way in the game scenario you posted for spread, there was no social distancing(limited capacity) and nobody was wearing any kind of masks. Kind of comparing apples to grapefruits.

 

[Orijinal]

Yes, limiting capacity will help reduce risk. As will asking fans to wear masks. But there is no guarantee fans will wear them appropriately. Behaviors typical at sporting events: screaming at the top of one's lungs, giving fist bumps and high fives, etc...are things you don't see at casinos.

They are not the same thing. I want to go to games as badly as anyone. But I understand and support the state, county and university if they decide it is not safe to allow fans to attend.

Game Zero: Spread of coronavirus in Europe linked to Champions League soccer match

The February game between Italy’s Atalanta and Spain’s Valencia, played in a Milan stadium with more than 45,000 fans, has been called a “biological bomb.”

www.tampabay.com

Tomcat, you are the best poster on this forum. I have to disagree with you on this one point, though. If groups are socially distanced in the stadium, then masks would not be necessary.

You would wear them around and about the stadium, but once you are seated with your family/group you would not need it. You could scream as loud as you want. Also, if groups are social distanced properly, then there would be no turning around to high five the dude behind you.

 

[cusefan88]

I could see the state allowing students/faculty only in very soon. They are already treating campus somewhat like a "bubble" so the risk could be lower.

 

[Chris02M]

The Dome is an indoor structure. Bills Stadium is open air. Big difference.

Until we know it's safe they shouldn't be allowing people in. People can watch on TV, it's not a big deal. No need to bring thousands of non-students onto campus and risk undoing all the great work SU has done in keeping students safe so far.

If they want to allow students and family inside I think that's a different story.

it could be years before its truly safe and at some point your going to see it be each there own whether to attend. I was thinking students and family sort of dress reahersal for the updates in october potentially having limited capacity towards november( 10k or less spaced out )

 

[sutomcat]

Tomcat, you are the best poster on this forum. I have to disagree with you on this one point, though. If groups are socially distanced in the stadium, then masks would not be necessary.

You would wear them around and about the stadium, but once you are seated with your family/group you would not need it. You could scream as loud as you want. Also, if groups are social distanced properly, then there would be no turning around to high five the dude behind you.

Thank you for the kind words.

I think for NYS anyway, assuming crowds are eventually allowed into stadiums for sporting events, will require masks for everyone in the stadium unless they are sitting down and eating or drinking. That would be consistent with how things have been done to date.

Could be wrong, but I think that is how it is going to be. Now whether that is how it should be is another question, and one I do not profess to have an answer to.

For me only, at this stage in the pandemic, if masks are not required (except when eating or drinking), I probably won't go. Right now, I would need social distancing and masks on almost all the time to make me feel comfortable enough to attend a game.

This is a personal decision and what is right for me may or may not be right for others.

 

[721Comstock]

it could be years before its truly safe. I was thinking students and family sort of dress reahersal for the updates in october potentially having limited capacity towards november( 10k or less spaced out )

No, not really.

Pete Sala says the air handlers and circulation in the Dome are excellent.

And it is a VERY large, VERY high volume enclosed space.

It’s the concourses that are the issue.
Being in your seat with proper social distancing, you’d be quite safe.

Getting to and from seats while everybody else is trying to do the same, concessions, bathrooms, even ticketing and entry -
Those are the bottlenecks that may be hard (or impossible) to work out.

 

[sutomcat]

I do not agree with anything you just said. There is always some degree of risk in anything we do in life, the key is managing that risk not avoiding risk. For instance because I am at high risk I wear full face respirator rather than those stupid ineffective paper and cloth masks.
If you think people do not do the things that you say could spread virus you must never go to casinos.

By the way in the game scenario you posted for spread, there was no social distancing(limited capacity) and nobody was wearing any kind of masks. Kind of comparing apples to grapefruits.

If you can't bother to read what I post, I won't bother to respond to your posts either. Glad you are wearing a full respiration sometimes.
Good luck.

 

[SUbear]

Thank you for the kind words.

I think for NYS anyway, assuming crowds are eventually allowed into stadiums for sporting events, will require masks for everyone in the stadium unless they are sitting down and eating or drinking. That would be consistent with how things have been done to date.

Could be wrong, but I think that is how it is going to be. Now whether that is how it should be is another question, and one I do not profess to have an answer to.

For me only, at this stage in the pandemic, if masks are not required (except when eating or drinking), I probably won't go. Right now, I would need social distancing and masks on almost all the time to make me feel comfortable enough to attend a game.

This is a personal decision and what is right for me may or may not be right for others.

Agree with you on wearing mask, I personnally will be wearing full face respirator if out in a crowded venue, even at limited capacity. I think I can survive for a few hours without eating, lift respirator for quick drinks if necessary.

 

[sutomcat]

No, not really.

Pete Sala says the air handlers and circulation in the Dome are excellent.

And it is a VERY large, VERY high volume enclosed space.

It’s the concourses that are the issue.
Being in your seat with proper social distancing, you’d be quite safe.

Getting to and from seats while everybody else is trying to do the same, concessions, bathrooms, even ticketing and entry -
Those are the bottlenecks that may be hard (or impossible) to work out.

If Governor Cuomo goes ultra conservative on this, which I suspect he will, he will have special rules for the dome that essentially treat it like the malls are treated.

Here is a document discussing requirements for malls:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/Malls_Detailed_Guidelines.pdf

This is what I expect...the dome can't host crowds until air conditioning is in place for the entire facility and at a minimum level of MERV-13.

...
For malls that are greater than 800,000 square feet, Responsible Parties must ensure building HVAC system filtration meets the highest rated filtrationcompatible with the currently installed filter rack and air handling systems, at a minimum MERV-13, or industry equivalent or greater (e.g.,HEPA), as applicable, and as certified and documented by a certified HVAC technician, professional, or company, ASHRAE-certified professional, certified retro-commissioning professional, or New York licensed professional building engineer.

I think there is a very real possibility there will be no crowds until the spring, when the AC install is scheduled to be completed.

I assume SU has been discussing this with Cuomo and if the governor has indicated full AC at MERV-13 is a base requirement for re-opening to crowds, SU might expedite the AC install process. If that is even possible.

 

[SUbear]

Agree with you on wearing mask, I personnally will be wearing full face respirator if out in a crowded venue, even at limited capacity. I think I can survive for a few hours without eating, lift respirator for quick drinks if necessary.
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Agree with you on wearing mask, I personnally will be wearing full face respirator if out in a crowded venue, even at limited capacity. I think I can survive for a few hours without eating, lift respirator for quick drinks if necessary.

I read every word, not sure what made you think I did not. I do not agree with your conclusions, nor do I believe elected or unelected beauracrats know best what should be done, and I certainly do not agree that any edict should be followed that has no legislative vote. Not trying to take a shot at you personally, just do not agree.

 

[CuseOnly]

Outdoor vs indoor

Walmart, Wegmans, Target, Home Depot and Lowes are all indoor...seems people are picking and choosing what is ok or not based on what is convenient for them without much thought behind it.

Indoor vs outdoor is not a legitimate argument.

 

[xc84]

I do not agree with anything you just said. There is always some degree of risk in anything we do in life, the key is managing that risk not avoiding risk. For instance because I am at high risk I wear full face respirator rather than those stupid ineffective paper and cloth masks.
If you think people do not do the things that you say could spread virus you must never go to casinos.

By the way in the game scenario you posted for spread, there was no social distancing(limited capacity) and nobody was wearing any kind of masks. Kind of comparing apples to grapefruits.

You sort of list credibility when you said "stupid ineffective paper and cloth masks". I agree you are probably wearing something even more effective but you can't say that the others are "ineffective."