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[SkyTopBus44]

ray rice and that was a long time ago. Not sure if Easley or Chan Jones counts as mega star, although Chan is definitely approaching that status in the league.

Never knew he went by Chan

Is that his handle on snapface or twitbook?

 

[CIL]

I think this is kind of interesting - The best offensive player on the NE Patriots (not named Tom Brady) is from NY and is an SU legacy. Arguably the best defensive player on the Patriots is from NY (Devin McCourty). The starting running back is from NY (Dion Lewis - Upstate at that). What do all three of these players have in common? They all played their last year of HS football in another state (McCourty- St. Joe's NJ, Lewis - Blair Academy NJ, Gronk -- Woodland Hills, WPIAA).

What do they have in common? Not one of them went to Syracuse.

 

[orange79]

This right here. We all want the best players no matter where they come from, we just wish they came from these areas for the reasons you mentioned. Doesnt happen too often though. McNabb was from Chicago, Graves DC. I was just thinking , who was the last mega star from NYS?

Don't know if we'd call him a mega star, but he certainly was important - Tim Green?

 

[OburgOrange]

Don't know if we'd call him a mega star, but he certainly was important - Tim Green?

Along the same line - Darryl Johnson

 

[CIL]

I’m honestly getting tired of this crap. Syracuse doesn’t owe any high school coach or program jack squat. Dino Babers is paid to do a job, and that job is to win football games. If the players available to him in NY do not help him do that, than why should he do so? So he can lose more games? So he can get fired? So we can gain 4 fans from Troy only to lose 400 due to a crappy product?

We tried for some of the big guns in state and they went to Ohio State. We need kids that can come in and play. Oh, and by the way, I’m willing to bet that kid who ran a 4.41 in camp that we haven’t been in contact with doesn’t have another D1 offer...

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Two things from the article that I’m curious about; the 7 NYS players who committed to RU, do they have decent D1 offers? Also, the kid who ran a 4.4, that’s a nice number, but it doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t catch the ball, tackle, or are 5’2”.

 

[AAM62]

Never knew he went by Chan

Is that his handle on snapface or twitbook?

I was using shorthand but it actually is his twitter handle...

 

[tep624]

What do they have in common? Not one of them went to Syracuse.

Gronk's recruitment always cracked me up. It was alluded to that had we recruited his brother that went to Maryland, that Gronk would have landed at Syracuse. Then when Gronk goes to commit, he commits to Arizona rather than Maryland where his brother was at. So much for that theory.

 

[tep624]

Two things from the article that I’m curious about; the 7 NYS players who committed to RU, do they have decent D1 offers? Also, the kid who ran a 4.4, that’s a nice number, but it doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t catch the ball, tackle, or are 5’2”.

Rutgers NYS recruiting is now similar to what ours was under Marrone. They are not landing any kids that have the option to go SEC, OSU, ND, PSU, etc and they are landing a mix of lightly recruited NYS kids and then 1 or 2 that have a handful of P5 offers but nothing that blows your socks off.

Which is probably out of necessity because they absolutely stink.

 

[djorange1989]

I’m honestly getting tired of this crap. Syracuse doesn’t owe any high school coach or program jack squat. Dino Babers is paid to do a job, and that job is to win football games. If the players available to him in NY do not help him do that, than why should he do so? So he can lose more games? So he can get fired? So we can gain 4 fans from Troy only to lose 400 due to a crappy product?

We tried for some of the big guns in state and they went to Ohio State. We need kids that can come in and play. Oh, and by the way, I’m willing to bet that kid who ran a 4.41 in camp that we haven’t been in contact with doesn’t have another D1 offer...

Can I like this post 50 times?

 

[hungrychuck]

I've been witness to the same sort of conversation regarding P during his disastrous tenure at UConn.

He had a great relationship with the CT high school coaches and while that still didn't result in the Huskies getting all or even most of the few blue chippers that the state produced, he did OK.

The problem was that like NYS, there just isn't that much D1 talent coming out of CT in a given year.

So sure, spend time with the state's coaches and try to foster a positive vibe, but understand the limitations.

I think Dino does.

 

[anomander]

What a ridiculous article. Interesting how he happened to chose the HS HC who most likely was going to be disgruntled. Another hatched job by the DO. I'm sure Dino just laughs at this crap.

Plus all these HS HC's who are complaining in that article can go kick rocks. Once the big time NYS recruits start giving Syracuse a look i'll worry about mining the state. Not only do the best kids not select Syracuse, they barely even look at us. So these HC's think we should take their projects? Screw that. There is a reason Jordan Frdericks never played here and ended up at UMass...he just isn't that good.

 

[hungrychuck]

What a ridiculous article. Interesting how he happened to chose the HS HC who most likely was going to be disgruntled. Another hatched job by the DO. I'm sure Dino just laughs at this crap.

Plus all these HS HC's who are complaining in that article can go kick rocks. Once the big time NYS recruits start giving Syracuse a look i'll worry about mining the state. Not only do the best kids not select Syracuse, they barely even look at us. So these HC's think we should take their projects? Screw that. There is a reason Jordan Frdericks never played here and ended up at UMass...he just isn't that good.

Sorry, what???

I was under the impression that he did play here and led the team in rushing.

Would you care to clarify?

 

[blizz]

I don't see how the article is anything that approaches fair. And I don't know where you begin with what a disservice this is to his university, fellow students, and broader community. Out of 24 paragraphs of copy, there are four sentences that struggle to point out anything positive about Babers relative performance in recruiting New York. His reception and positive regard by the other 11 coaches that were polled is only inferred. Yet 3 coaches are quoted at length, all of them discontent with some aspect of Babers perceived efforts (or lack thereof) focused on their programs. The assertion by these coaches that viable D1 talent has been overlooked or neglected by Babers is never vetted or qualified. Did these prospects find interest from other programs? Are they contributing at a D1 program today? No mention is made of the fact that few programs recruit D1 players from New York because there are relatively none. Less than 2% of all D1 recruits between 2008 and 2013 were from New York. Yet during the same period nearly 14% of all recruits were from Florida. Of all states Florida is second only to Texas for the most number of D1 recruits, a fact that may help explain the high number of Florida recruits in any class, let alone those of Babers. When it comes to blue chip prospects, those with a perceived high likelihood of playing competitively at a D1 program, the numbers are even more skewed. From 2013 to 2017 there were a total of 6 blue chip prospects from New York. From Florida during the same time period? 226. None of this is mentioned. Instead the account of a coach disgruntled over the lack of playing time of one his former players, is recounted in a most memorable way. That is fair journalism? No mention is made of what a break through success the current 2017 class represents for recruiting New York, of the top 6 New York prospects in 2017, 3 of them are committed to Syracuse. Given recent program history, that is an unprecedented success. Of the New York prospects that are mentioned in the article, that ended up committing to Ohio State, no mention is made of the fact that Jeremy Ruckert and Matt Jones are the two highest rated prospects in the 2018 class or that they both held Syracuse offers and were actively recruited. No mention is made that another highly rated New York recruit, Aron Cruikshank, was heavily recruited by Babers and staff, only to be passed over for Wisconsin. Babers has pursued the most coveted New York recruits, but the decision to stay home is not a one way street.

 

[bcubs9497]

Rarely these days do high school coaches send their kids anywhere. Their opinions are just one of the opinions that parent's and players get.

Players and parents recognize that these coaches are trying to get the best deal they can for themselves and have biases and favorites and people they owe favors to.

These days with all the video that is available, the high school coach's input just isn't that valuable. There are no more hidden gems.

That depends on the HS coach. The coach from, say, Vestavia Hills, who routinely gets his team into the state playoffs/championships and has several D1 FBS kids on the roster each year is going to have a lot of pull.

 

[IthacaMatt]

As far as NYS being a priority, all other things equal, it most certainly should be a priority. Having a roster with NYS kids on it energizes the fan base, current and prospective, and can help sell seats which is extremely important to building a quality program.

While you don't take a kid just because he is from NYS you don't shut the door on a kid just because he's from NYS either. Its a delicate balancing act for sure.

No, it shouldn't. NYS produces maybe 10 good Division 1 players a year. Even in our best years, we don't get more than 3.

We get more kids than that from Dade County every year. We get more kids from VA, FL, OH, MI, PA and NJ than we do from NYS, pretty much every year. That's where the best players that we can get are located.

 

[anomander]

Sorry, what???

I was under the impression that he did play here and led the team in rushing.

Would you care to clarify?

He didn't play under Babers. There's a reason. It wasn't Babers just wanted to be mean. Unless you are aware of something the coaches weren't?

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'd be interested to see how many NYS kids were on SU's roster during the best years from Coach Mac and Coach P. I remember a larger percentage that we see now, but again, that is my recollection, and is NOT fact based.

Some of the program's best talents the last 40 years were in-state talents, including Donnie Mac, Darryl Johnston, Chris Gedney, Rob Moore, Scott Schwedes, Keith Bulluck, Tim Green, Art Jones, Chandler Jones, Ted Gregory, Will Allen, George Rooks, Roland Williams, Duke Pettijohn, Rob Burnett, Doug Hogue, Clifton Smith, Adam Terry, Mike Williams. Let alone Ernie and Jim going back a bit further.

Recruiting was different, too, especially in football. There wasn't all this AAU and intersectional ball, 7 on 7, internet video, national ratings that were nearly so comprehensive.

 

[hungrychuck]

He didn't play under Babers. There's a reason. It wasn't Babers just wanted to be mean. Unless you are aware of something the coaches weren't?

You said he never played here. Your words.

I simply pointed out that he led the team in rushing the previous year. I don't believe that's debatable.

Hard to understand how he did that without D1 talent, unless you know something I don't.

 

[Crusty]

Seems to me that based on actual results, SU ought to be spending more time in Florida, Philadelphia and Washington, DC and environs.

Philips Conn
Bennett Detroit
Clarke Florida
Cordy Florida
Dowels Florida
Hofrichter Florida
Ishmael Florida
Pierce Florida
Fredrick Georgia
Slayton Illinois
Strickland NJ
Williams NJ
Dungey Oregon
Franklin Phila
Custis Phila.
Butler Wash DC Area
Butler Wash DC Area
Martin Wash DC Area

Or maybe Oregon!

 

[anomander]

You said he never played here. Your words.

I simply pointed out that he led the team in rushing the previous year. I don't believe that's debatable.

Hard to understand how he did that without D1 talent, unless you know something I don't.

I missed a word. He never played under Dino. He obviously didn't think he was good enough, and since he ended up at UMass, I would tend to agree.

 

[dasher]

I missed a word. He never played under Dino. He obviously didn't think he was good enough, and since he ended up at UMass, I would tend to agree.

Hold on there. I was told that Umass was going to win 8 games this year.

 

[hungrychuck]

I missed a word. He never played under Dino. He obviously didn't think he was good enough, and since he ended up at UMass, I would tend to agree.

That idea would be more impressive if suddenly we were flush with RB talent.

I appreciate Strick as a program player and that he's improved some.

But if he were to transfer, at what sort of school do you think he would land?

 

[Crusty]

Rarely these days do high school coaches send their kids anywhere. Their opinions are just one of the opinions that parent's and players get.

Players and parents recognize that these coaches are trying to get the best deal they can for themselves and have biases and favorites and people they owe favors to.

These days with all the video that is available, the high school coach's input just isn't that valuable. There are no more hidden gems.

Eric Dungey

 

[Crusty]

Sorry, what???

I was under the impression that he did play here and led the team in rushing.

Would you care to clarify?

670 yards. Who cares?