The Penn St Dumpster Fire Thread

[FloridaCuse]

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[Scotch]

That’s both hilarious and accurate. Weird profession.

 

[HtownOrange]

Everyone thinks that making X-milllion dollars per year warrants irrational expectations. More than one hundred teams play for the championship starting week zero. Between 10-20 have a reasonable shot. ADs expecting championships annually is an impossibility. Even Saban wasn't that good.

I have no sympathy for Franklin. He is guaranteed another $50MM to not coach. Yet the unreasonable expectation that they win championships annually is moronic.

Obviously, we fans are exempt from irrational expectations, we have a right to them.

 

[ECE '76]

If Rhule left, Nebraska should hire Matt Campbell or Lance Leipold IMO.

Link:

Matt Campbell Emerging as Target for Penn State Job

My comment: Any current head coach in the B1G or SEC is going to be very difficult for Penn State to acquire. Indiana, eg, has just as much money as PSU has to retain Cignetti. A coach from the ACC or Big12, like Campbell, would be much easier to outbid.

 

[ECE '76]

I think we really shouldn’t poke holes in Fran’s flaws and be like hey there is no way they can be interested. They would be fortunate to have him. He would win a national championship there just like I hope he can here. We need to support our guy. The administration needs to make sure Fran has all the resources to compete at the highest levels. And Syracuse dominating the northeast should be a major factor of the downfall Nebraskaesque era they may finally be exiting and Penn State is about to enter.

Penn State sits in one of the top producers of HS FB talent in the country. Nebraska - not at all.

 

[ECE '76]

Isn’t this the same AD who didn’t give Fran the Temple job? Not saying he’d even be a choice, but Fran seems like someone who would take that personally.

I watched the Penn State AD's press conference, trying to explain why he fired Franklin. Anyone on here who has berated John Wildhack in the past should realize how much more impressive, professional, and classy Wildhack is than Pat Kraft. If Kraft was the AD at Temple when Fran got snubbed, that closes the book on the possibility of Fran ever going to PSU to work for that guy. Besides that Kraft would never offer it to him.

 

[sufan59]

I watched the Penn State AD's press conference, trying to explain why he fired Franklin. Anyone on here who has berated John Wildhack in the past should realize how much more impressive, professional, and classy Wildhack is than Pat Kraft. If Kraft was the AD at Temple when Fran got snubbed, that closes the book on the possibility of Fran ever going to PSU to work for that guy. Besides that Kraft would never offer it to him.

Yeah the caller who made the correlation that this was the AD who snubbed Fran on ESPN Syracuse did great research. I said it would be stupid for Penn State to not even be interested in Fran and if the bridge was really burned then. The stupid part wasn’t given him the job at Temple.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Everyone thinks that making X-milllion dollars per year warrants irrational expectations. More than one hundred teams play for the championship starting week zero. Between 10-20 have a reasonable shot. ADs expecting championships annually is an impossibility. Even Saban wasn't that good.

I have no sympathy for Franklin. He is guaranteed another $50MM to not coach. Yet the unreasonable expectation that they win championships annually is moronic.

Obviously, we fans are exempt from irrational expectations, we have a right to them.

CFB is more like soccer than it is the Pros. These schools shouldn't give these coaches long term contracts. The shelf life of most coaches is 5-6 years.

It would be more expensive per year, but schools should give 5 year contracts with 2 year extensions. So in three years the school can either extend or eat the last 2 years. Then repeat 2 years later.

Longterm contracts do not lock in the HC and do not protect the schools, they protect the HCs. There are only 35 P2 jobs. The leverage should reside with the schools not the coaches.

 

[HtownOrange]

CFB is more like soccer than it is the Pros. These schools shouldn't give these coaches long term contracts. The shelf life of most coaches is 5-6 years.

It would be more expensive per year, but schools should give 5 year contracts with 2 year extensions. So in three years the school can either extend or eat the last 2 years. Then repeat 2 years later.

Longterm contracts do not lock in the HC and do not protect the schools, they protect the HCs. There are only 35 P2 jobs. The leverage should reside with the schools not the coaches.

Agreed. But schools went crazy thinking money solved all ills. Winning will cure most things but not everything. Money reveals who people really are. When it comes easy, people believe they did everything to get there (they mostly did) and expect to stay there with minimal effort (wrong answer). The best coaches are not motivated by money, that does not mean they won't take it. Saban, Swinney, and a few others make bank but were always hungry for the game and winning. Franklin, Norvell, and most want a payday and an easy ride.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Penn State sits in one of the top producers of HS FB talent in the country. Nebraska - not at all.

That was true even when Nebraska was arguably the best program in the country.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Yeah the caller who made the correlation that this was the AD who snubbed Fran on ESPN Syracuse did great research. I said it would be stupid for Penn State to not even be interested in Fran and if the bridge was really burned then. The stupid part wasn’t given him the job at Temple.

Also Fran understands how important who you work for (AD/Board) and the outside influences (boosters). There’s something to be said for stability so long as he has the resources to win. He thinks he can win here. We will see if he reaches a point where that changes.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Agreed. But schools went crazy thinking money solved all ills. Winning will cure most things but not everything. Money reveals who people really are. When it comes easy, people believe they did everything to get there (they mostly did) and expect to stay there with minimal effort (wrong answer). The best coaches are not motivated by money, that does not mean they won't take it. Saban, Swinney, and a few others make bank but were always hungry for the game and winning. Franklin, Norvell, and most want a payday and an easy ride.

Nothing easy about being the head coach at PSU, dealing with all their nonsense. BOB was done after 2 years. Franklin was there what 12-13 Years? That's a hell of a run, they fired him because he couldn't beat ranked teams and clearly many of the bigger donors had seen enough. His time has run out. They could have waited until the end of the year. Clearly they aren't going to hire the interim coach. It happens.

Norvell had the one great year and cashed in for sure but coaches know how quickly it can flip. Norvell definitely took advantage when the time was right. Good smart move for him not so much for FSU. Norvell is in a horrible cycle now because they are just trying to buy a top 5 team every year and it has not worked. Seems to be working to Texas Tech right now though

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That was true even when Nebraska was arguably the best program in the country.

Yes but times have changed.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think PSU hires Dillingham from ASU. I know he's ASU alumni but he's another coach that's always looking for more. Talking about more fans, more money, more NIL etc etc. Talking about going all in etc.

I do think PSU will look to offensive coach and keep Jim Knowles as their DC who I think is overrated but so be it.

 

[Newhouser]

Link:

Matt Campbell Emerging as Target for Penn State Job

My comment: Any current head coach in the B1G or SEC is going to be very difficult for Penn State to acquire. Indiana, eg, has just as much money as PSU has to retain Cignetti. A coach from the ACC or Big12, like Campbell, would be much easier to outbid.

I agree. Though I think a coach at any Big or SEC school that thinks their institution may not be invited to join the next evolution may be poachable. However the future landscape plays out - Perv State is going to have a seat at the table, I don't think all SEC and Big schools can say the same.

 

[kcsu]

Fran has amazing support from the boosters who support the program. They are all amazing individuals, and they support Fran at a level i have never seen before at Syracuse. Boosters are not going to be the problem if Fran leaves. The administration needs to finally realize that football truly does drive the bus, not just say it but own it. If Fran leaves take a hard look under the hood at the allocation of the 20.3 million between sports and there will lie the answer. In short Basketball needs to step up their NIL and support game, hold their own weight does not take away from Football. Trust me on this. Also, there is plenty of money to support Fran and his staff. All things being equal Fran will stay and i believe we can pay him an amount close to 8 or 9 M if needed. It's the 20.3 that could be the issue.

 

[sufan59]

Also Fran understands how important who you work for (AD/Board) and the outside influences (boosters). There’s something to be said for stability so long as he has the resources to win. He thinks he can win here. We will see if he reaches a point where that changes.

Yeah I listened to there ADs press conference. Like another poster said, feel pretty good that Wildhack is the AD. I’m sure Penn State could offer the world to whoever they offer the job, but not sure that Kraft is a boss I would want to work for if I have comparable options.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I think PSU hires Dillingham from ASU. I know he's ASU alumni but he's another coach that's always looking for more. Talking about more fans, more money, more NIL etc etc. Talking about going all in etc.

I do think PSU will look to offensive coach and keep Jim Knowles as their DC who I think is overrated but so be it.

That’s the name I’ve heard from some penn state connected folks. I admit it’s an odd choice as he’s a west coast guy but it was the top name some folks told me.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[oldpinepoint]

Refuse to click on that

 

[Comstock44]

Axe really hit the nail on the head this time. (No I don't know Axe or have any connection to him)

 

[Blanko97]

"Despite getting bent out of shape, Brown never really gave an answer that would squelch fans’ anxiety."

Axe is such a dunce. Some nobody tweeted about "a potential candidate" and they're running with it like he has already interviewed. Syracuse.com is a joke.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

That’s the name I’ve heard from some penn state connected folks. I admit it’s an odd choice as he’s a west coast guy but it was the top name some folks told me.

He's the type of coach you can sell as well. Young offensive mind who already took ASU to the playoff. He's going to run the offense, keep Knowles put a couple east coast recruiters together ( I know a DC who really should just be a D line coach/ recruiter that went to PSU) and they should be off and running

Personally, I don't think Fran has done enough yet to warrant a serious look at a job like PSU. Fran has to show something here coming in and weather the storm as well. Losses are one thing, embarrassing blowouts are another. Everybody knows he can recruit but can he actually coach and get rid of poor coordinators when need be? We shall see

 

[Bayside44]

He wasn’t in our top 10 until he was.

Guy is a real hustler in the best way. If he wants the gig I’m sure Jimmy sexton is calling and doing the back signal thing.

My guess is he’s like 4th on their list after the ones floated to Thamel

In fairness doesn't Jimmy Sexton represent all those coaches already mentioned ?