the refs

[DomeHolmes]

Because that's how zone coverage works. People defend an area, not a man. You might have seen some basketball teams play it over the years.

My mistake on that play was that I thought it was chestnut not Bellamy, who, in fact could have passed off the player. (depending on coverage). I couldn’t see the number but assumed that it was a safety, (since there was no safety behind the play) . but I could show you 20 times where we have passed on multiple players in a single high look where there are multiple deep routes, and no one behind.

On Joly touchdown, McDonald passes on Joly to a safety he thinks is behind him, but Cinco is doubling the wide route after his assignment went underneath and McDonald took him along with Barron. (Two covering underneath). McDonald can’t know that Cinco is not behind him, but he can know that Barron is there to pick up the crosser . He should’ve stayed with the tight end. That left the tight end, completely uncovered behind the defense. Just one of many examples of us passing people on without help,

 

[Scooch]

There should be an ACC Refs internet site where the fans of all teams could compare their views on the subject.

Every fanbase would claim that the league is biased against them. I’d love to read that site.

 

[DomeHolmes]

Because that's how zone coverage works. People defend an area, not a man. You might have seen some basketball teams play it over the years.

Just because you said it:

I thought I’d help you out on some football zone coverages we ran. It’s not as simple as “covering an area” unless you don’t know anything about football.

We started out in ”match cover 2”, with deuce over their running back. Everyone else was matched up to a receiver to start, except Cinco. It was a disguised coverage that we immediately went into cover three.

now in cover 3 a linebacker has the running back and diggs is the spy (and is also illegally blocked) which allows the quarterback to get to the edge so easily.

When the play breaks down the linebacker now has the QB assignment and is on his way to meet the quarterback when Bellamy breaks off of his assignment to do the same. All three of deuce, Cinco and Grant are late to rotate, as two of the deep safeties should have the “play” half the field now, and the other one, the other half of the field.. (however teams have been routinely splitting our safeties drawing both of their attention, allowing another open deep route, where we are passing receivers off to no one), as I have mentioned.

Bellamy is not supposed to leave his man as long as the linebacker is in position and the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage. That’s called “keeping everything in front of you”. He realizes his mistake that the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage, and immediately retreats and knows they’re likely is not someone behind him.

once a play breaks down the way it did, you cannot know what is behind you after three or four seconds. Bellamy should’ve stayed with his man and Grant and Cinco should’ve been rotating over quicker. The play is on all of them to be honest.


if you have anything you’d like to share with me on zone coverage, please do, since you were so eager to educate me on what zone coverage is.

 

[DomeHolmes]

Every fanbase would claim that the league is biased against them. I’d love to read that site.

Exactly, half the reason Maryland fans “claimed” to be happy leaving is that they were not getting any calls versus the North Carolina schools. Wake and NC State insist that UNC always gets calls against them. Everyone including them thinks that Clemson and Florida State get all the calls.

I’ve seen enough evidence on the last part to believe that while perhaps not intentional, it does happen.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Just because you said it:
I thought I’d help you out on some football zone coverages we ran. It’s not as simple as “covering an area” unless you don’t know anything about football.
We started out in ”match cover 2”, with deuce over their running back. Everyone else was matched up to a receiver to start, except Cinco. It was a disguised coverage that we immediately went into cover three.
now in cover 3 a linebacker has the running back and diggs is the spy (and is also illegally blocked) which allows the quarterback to get to the edge so easily.
When the play breaks down the linebacker now has the QB assignment and is on his way to meet the quarterback when Bellamy breaks off of his assignment to do the same. All three of deuce, Cinco and Grant are late to rotate, as two of the deep safeties should have the “play” half the field now, and the other one, the other half of the field.. (however teams have been routinely splitting our safeties drawing both of their attention, allowing another open deep route, where we are passing receivers off to no one), as I have mentioned.
Bellamy is not supposed to leave his man as long as the linebacker is in position and the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage. That’s called “keeping everything in front of you”. He realizes his mistake that the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage, and immediately retreats and knows they’re likely is not someone behind him.
once a play breaks down the way it did, you cannot know what is behind you after three or four seconds. Bellamy should’ve stayed with his man and Grant and Cinco should’ve been rotating over quicker. The play is on all of them to be honest.
if you have anything you’d like to share with me on zone coverage, please do, since you were so eager to educate me on what zone coverage is.

Your initial comment expressed amazement that defensive backs pass along an assignment as someone crosses their area, like "how could they do such a thing!".
I sarcastically said, "yeah, that's a zone, that's what they do". We were a zone basketball team for 30 years.
I also said that they made mistakes in coverage.
You're pretty insecure to get so wounded. You're no John Madden, ok. Get over yourself.

 

[DomeHolmes]

Your initial comment expressed amazement that defensive backs pass along an assignment as someone crosses their area, like "how could they do such a thing!".
I sarcastically said, "yeah, that's a zone, that's what they do". We were a zone basketball team for 30 years.
I also said that they made mistakes in coverage.
You're pretty insecure to get so wounded. You're no John Madden, ok. Get over yourself.

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You made the snarky comment, not me. It didn’t go over my head. I just understood it better than you. You are not supposed to just let people past you “just because it’s a zone“.

 

[Newhouser]

Just because you said it:

I thought I’d help you out on some football zone coverages we ran. It’s not as simple as “covering an area” unless you don’t know anything about football.

We started out in ”match cover 2”, with deuce over their running back. Everyone else was matched up to a receiver to start, except Cinco. It was a disguised coverage that we immediately went into cover three.

now in cover 3 a linebacker has the running back and diggs is the spy (and is also illegally blocked) which allows the quarterback to get to the edge so easily.

When the play breaks down the linebacker now has the QB assignment and is on his way to meet the quarterback when Bellamy breaks off of his assignment to do the same. All three of deuce, Cinco and Grant are late to rotate, as two of the deep safeties should have the “play” half the field now, and the other one, the other half of the field.. (however teams have been routinely splitting our safeties drawing both of their attention, allowing another open deep route, where we are passing receivers off to no one), as I have mentioned.

Bellamy is not supposed to leave his man as long as the linebacker is in position and the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage. That’s called “keeping everything in front of you”. He realizes his mistake that the quarterback has not crossed the line of scrimmage, and immediately retreats and knows they’re likely is not someone behind him.

once a play breaks down the way it did, you cannot know what is behind you after three or four seconds. Bellamy should’ve stayed with his man and Grant and Cinco should’ve been rotating over quicker. The play is on all of them to be honest.


if you have anything you’d like to share with me on zone coverage, please do, since you were so eager to educate me on what zone coverage is.

Um...mic drop.

 

[upperdeck]

The call on NC State in the first half for ineligible down field was questionable. As was the first of the two guys in motion in second half. And the confusion……..whoa. Can’t believe they can’t find better.

hard to tell on the first motion play because they didnt actually replay the whole play and I was too lazy to go find it during the game. The 2nd one was obvious. But the 2nd part of the rule is that if 2 guys are in motion both have to come to a complete stop. But the replay didnt show if the play was with 2 guys in motion or one. The 2nd replay they clearly had 2 guys moving so maybe the other one did too?

 

[All4SU]

Everyone on here knows more about zone coverage than I. So I enjoy the analysis when it is kept in simple terms that I can understand.

 

[upperdeck]

Just went back and watched. NC st went to a bunch set. Ended up with 2 guys on the line. The wide guy next to the ref adjusts back and at the same time the slot guy goes in motion. He then just floats and floats and never sets.. So yes it was a motion penalty.

The 2nd time was just an obvious one.

 

[upperdeck]

The force out it was just a bad call. He didnt even change the route the guy was running the dude took 2 steps after the contact than ran OB. this is after going by the Db and he is 3ft in bounds then floats wider. contact at the 35 6 ft in bounds. He runs out 5 yds further down field when he steps out