there is no way that SS should be fired after

[GoSU96]

everyone is so scared of being wrong about canning a coach

but all those teams that held on to a coach too long are so forgettable

there are a million bad teams in college football, who can remember all the teams that should've fired a guy last year

i'm with go, he and lester have one shot to fix the offense.

I'm not sure what fixed means.

If they show reasonable improvement to around 35 offensive TD's, 380 or so in yds per game, 40% on 3rd down, that would be a good job of starting to dig out of the hole.

My position is that if they are the worst offense in D-1 for a second straight year, recruiting or no recruiting, that is unsustainable.

 

[KaiserUEO]

It's year 3

can you give us some coach reference points that arent from the old testament like, parcells, mac and walsh??

or from one of the gospels like belicheat??

jackarSS better win 8 regular season games or he should be fired.

 

[Full_Rebar]

It's amazing to me that all of the SUAD admins didn't suggest that it might be wise to go get an OC from outside of the Framily.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not sure what fixed means.

If they show reasonable improvement to around 35 offensive TD's, 380 or so in yds per game, 40% on 3rd down, that would be a good job of starting to dig out of the hole.

My position is that if they are the worst offense in D-1 for a second straight year, recruiting or no recruiting, that is unsustainable.

that will probably be enough to save their skin

i think this offense is a bad idea so if it were me deciding, i'd want them to show me a little more. i don't care how bad they were last year, i want to see average. closer to 400 yards, 40 tds?

quibbling here

if you can't be average on offense once in three years, someone else can give it a shot

 

[KaiserUEO]

It's amazing to me that all of the SUAD admins didn't suggest that it might be wise to go get an OC from outside of the Framily.

par for the course.

when marrone left...they thought they had another BCS level coach already on staff (maybe even 2!!!)

so when gmac gets canned...they thought they had another BCS level OC already on staff.

clearly, nobody knows their head from their arse up there.

 

[TheCusian]

I love when you guys run around like a chicken with its head cut off. This is it or else!!

Relax. We get marginally better on offense and we'll win 6 easy.

 

[GoSU96]

If (or when if you believe the smoke) the AD is fired, a new guy will come in. At that point the clock starts for SS. He'll get zero benefit of the doubt from a new AD who will want to put his imprint on the department. If SS can get this ship back to the 6 win plateau he'll have a hard time canning him. Anything under 500 and i'd say it's very 50/50 at best for SS

Where's that coming from?

 

[dasher]

can you give us some coach reference points that arent from the old testament like, parcells, mac and walsh??

or from one of the gospels like belicheat??

jackarSS better win 8 regular season games or he should be fired.

Nick Saban's first 4 years at MSU 6-5, 6-6 , 7-5 , 6-6 I'm sure the Kaiser of MSU said, the guy is at best a .500 coach. Let's try someone new.

 

[jekelish]

Nick Saban's first 4 years at MSU 6-5, 6-6 , 7-5 , 6-6 I'm sure the Kaiser of MSU said, the guy is at best a .500 coach. Let's try someone new.

Additionally, Jim Harbaugh was 9-15 in his first two seasons at Stanford. 17-20 in his first three seasons. Wasn't until the fourth year that the team went ballistic.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Nick Saban's first 4 years at MSU 6-5, 6-6 , 7-5 , 6-6 I'm sure the Kaiser of MSU said, the guy is at best a .500 coach. Let's try someone new.

here we go again...20 years ago...

im sure the Kaiser of MSU likely said...hey we just came off an 0-11 season, was sanctioned heavily...and this guy just got us back to respectability. so lets give him a chance for he was (although for 1 year only) a winning HC at a d1 school and just came off 4 Freakin years as an NFL DC...one where he developed a reputation as a genius.

is that what SS is doing/done, is thought of as??

 

[TheCusian]

here we go again...20 years ago... im sure the Kaiser of MSU likely said...hey we just came off an 0-11 season, was sanctioned heavily...and this guy just got us back to respectability. so lets give him a chance for he was (although for 1 year only) a winning HC at a d1 school and just came off 4 Freakin years as an NFL DC...one where he developed a reputation as a genius. is that what SS is doing/done, is thought of as??

Around here? No.

How should he be thought of? A guy whose defenses are consistently in the top 35 and who is an OC (Lester?) and a decent QB from 7-8 wins annually. A guy who has developed into a pretty good recruiter (at least better than his predecessor) - who may land is a top 40 class in 2016.

He's not Saban. But I don't think you can say he's a dud quite yet. Skeptical? Yes. But is an average offense from 8 wins this year.

 

[GoSU96]

Additionally, Jim Harbaugh was 9-15 in his first two seasons at Stanford. 17-20 in his first three seasons. Wasn't until the fourth year that the team went ballistic.

Stanford was almost a Grobian level disaster. What Shafer inherited, wasn't.

That's why I'm a little confused about the it's year 3 stuff. He didn't take over a dumpster fire. This wasn't a rebuild.

He was the HC last year of a program that he had been an integral part of for six seasons, a major recruiter for, a defense with an average ranking of 36th over those six years, a prior four year record of 28-23 with three bowl wins.

What happened last year was ridiculous.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Around here? No.

How should he be thought of? A guy whose defenses are consistently in the top 35 and who is an OC (Lester?) and a decent QB from 7-8 wins annually. A guy who has developed into a pretty good recruiter (at least better than his predecessor) - who may land is a top 40 class in 2016.

He's not Saban. But I don't think you can say he's a dud quite yet. Skeptical? Yes. But is an average offense from 8 wins this year.

then do it...or he gone.

hes got 3 qbs with game experience coming back, 1 somehow managed to win a bowl game even.

no excuses.

8 regular season wins.

or lets see the backbone they had when they were firing with ease the defending conf champ after a bowl game...

 

[jekelish]

Stanford was almost a Grobian level disaster. What Shafer inherited, wasn't.

That's why I'm a little confused about the it's year 3 stuff. He didn't take over a dumpster fire. This wasn't a rebuild.

He was the HC last year of a program that he had been an integral part of for six seasons, a major recruiter for, a defense with an average ranking of 36th over those six years, a prior four year record of 28-23 with three bowl wins.

What happened last year was ridiculous.

Last year was ridiculous, yes. But it wasn't like Marrone left the cupboard stocked with a lot to work with offensively. Look at the WR and QB "talent" he left behind.

But yes, last year was a disaster, for a number of reasons.

 

[Millhouse]

here we go again...20 years ago...

im sure the Kaiser of MSU likely said...hey we just came off an 0-11 season, was sanctioned heavily...and this guy just got us back to respectability. so lets give him a chance for he was (although for 1 year only) a winning HC at a d1 school and just came off 4 Freakin years as an NFL DC...one where he developed a reputation as a genius.

is that what SS is doing/done, is thought of as??

all shafer needs to do is go 15 and 7 to equal sabans first 4 years at MSU. piece of cake

 

[Millhouse]

Stanford was almost a Grobian level disaster. What Shafer inherited, wasn't.

That's why I'm a little confused about the it's year 3 stuff. He didn't take over a dumpster fire. This wasn't a rebuild.

He was the HC last year of a program that he had been an integral part of for six seasons, a major recruiter for, a defense with an average ranking of 36th over those six years, a prior four year record of 28-23 with three bowl wins.

What happened last year was ridiculous.

yep. he was promoted from within. dumpster fires don't do that. that's part of the deal. i don't think many other teams were looking to hire him - if you're fortunate enough to get promoted from within, part of that bargain is you need to keep winning

same goes for lester. he gets a year.

 

[Alsacs]

Last year was ridiculous, yes. But it wasn't like Marrone left the cupboard stocked with a lot to work with offensively. Look at the WR and QB "talent" he left behind.

But yes, last year was a disaster, for a number of reasons.

Marrone left a good OL and RBs. He left no experienced QB but we are in year 3 now and the QB position is still the same it was when SS started.
Marrone recruited the defense that SS has had success with.
Last year was like 2005 and not like 2009.
Our offense was historically bad last year and the ISIS press conference memory for me is still too easy to remember. Coach lock 'em up doesn't have my confidence as Lester was given the job midway thru last year and showed nothing to inspire.
Bowl game or you better have a top 35 recruit class or see ya.

 

[GoSU96]

Last year was ridiculous, yes. But it wasn't like Marrone left the cupboard stocked with a lot to work with offensively. Look at the WR and QB "talent" he left behind.

But yes, last year was a disaster, for a number of reasons.

Should they have been expected to have the 17th ranked offense and score 45 TD's last year, no, but stop with the bare cupboard stuff.

They had less than half of the passing (6 vs 13) and rushing (12 vs 25) TD's than they had in 2013. I didn't realize that Macky and Jerome Smith were worth 20 TD's.

Shafer should get some slack because of the injuries, but it isn't a get out of jail free card.

The offense was a mess in the first half the year. Most of the time you would expect improvement in year two, not further regression, which is what was happening out of the gate.

 

[Alsacs]

Nick Saban's first 4 years at MSU 6-5, 6-6 , 7-5 , 6-6 I'm sure the Kaiser of MSU said, the guy is at best a .500 coach. Let's try someone new.

When Scott Shafer leads Syracuse on the road against the #1 Florida State Seminoles and beats them costing them a shot a the NC like Saban did at Ohio State in 1998 I will listen to this.
Syracuse has looked like a midmajor under SS against real good teams.
2013 1-2 against Big Ten teams, 4-4 ACC teams
2014 0-2 against P5 OOC teams, 1-7 ACC teams
Our offense has only gotten to 30 points 2 times in these 21 games and one of them we got to 31 points with defensive TD against Wake.

SS has not earned patience he looks overmatched at preparing an offensive gameplan.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

He

everyone is so scared of being wrong about canning a coach

but all those teams that held on to a coach too long are so forgettable

there are a million bad teams in college football, who can remember all the teams that should've fired a guy last year

i'm with go, he and lester have one shot to fix the offense.

needs 2 years to see if one of the QBs is good. Winning a bowl with Hunt earned him that IMO

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The real answer is - it doesn't matter. Until someone gets our offense to consistently have a pulse, it actually doesn't matter.

I LIKE SOME SIZZLE WITH MY STEAK.

 

[phil77]

When Scott Shafer leads Syracuse on the road against the #1 Florida State Seminoles and beats them costing them a shot a the NC like Saban did at Ohio State in 1998 I will listen to this.
Syracuse has looked like a midmajor under SS against real good teams.
2013 1-2 against Big Ten teams, 4-4 ACC teams
2014 0-2 against P5 OOC teams, 1-7 ACC teams
Our offense has only gotten to 30 points 2 times in these 21 games and one of them we got to 31 points with defensive TD against Wake.

SS has not earned patience he looks overmatched at preparing an offensive gameplan.

Ouch those are awful awful numbers

 

[OburgOrange]

Ha! Joke's on you, I only have one kid.

Are you sure it's yours?

 

[jekelish]

Are you sure it's yours?

Hey! He looks just like me. Poor little kid.

 

[dasher]

When Scott Shafer leads Syracuse on the road against the #1 Florida State Seminoles and beats them costing them a shot a the NC like Saban did at Ohio State in 1998 I will listen to this.
Syracuse has looked like a midmajor under SS against real good teams.
2013 1-2 against Big Ten teams, 4-4 ACC teams
2014 0-2 against P5 OOC teams, 1-7 ACC teams
Our offense has only gotten to 30 points 2 times in these 21 games and one of them we got to 31 points with defensive TD against Wake.

SS has not earned patience he looks overmatched at preparing an offensive gameplan.

I guarantee you that Saban inherited more talent than SS did. Marrone won some games in a bad Big East conference and did it mostly with grob recruits.