Time for Marrone to get an extension

[Whitey23]

And you don't think its fair to let him get all of his guys on campus? You remember who preceded him, right? He did win 8 games in year 2. He's not getting fired barring a 2 win type season (which ain't happenin')

Looking over the depth chart it looks like his guys haven't exactly taken over from the other guy's guys.

 

[Whitey23]

He's taken the worst program in the BCS at the time he took over and improved it substantially. He won almost as many games in his second year as the program did in the entire previous staff.

The roster is better top to bottom. The coaching staff is better top to bottom. The team is more competitive than it has been in a long time. I don't think you realize just how bad they were.

Why is it on him how many kids have been drafted the last three years?

You really think last year's team was that much better then the bottom end of the BCS? They beat Rhode Island at home by a touchdown, in reality lost to Toledo at home and beat Tulane by a FG. Then went 1-6 in the weakest BCS conference.

 

[Rocco]

He's 17-20 with a 6-15 record in the weakest BCS conference. Chances are he's going to be right at .500 or lower again this year. I don't see what he's done to deserve a raise let alone an extension.

Granted, last year's 5 game slide sucks. We can keep beating the hell out of that horse too (not addressed at you Whitey). Correct, he's 17-20 in 3 years.

GRob was:
2005: 1-10, 0-7 BE (took over a 6-6 team)
2006: 4-8, 1-6 BE
2007: 2-10, 1-6 BE
2008: 3-9, 1-6 BE
Totals: 10-37, 3-25 BE

3-25. Took over a 6-6 team. hmmm.

Marrone is 17-20, 6-15 and was hired to take over the warm garbage that GRob left for him. He made a bowl game his 2nd year. He missed a bowl game last year by one victory. GRob never sniffed a bowl game. People quickly forget how much of a hole this program was in 2008. 20+ players were asked or voluntarily left the program. He had 60 scholarship players or something his first year. Marrone even said when he was hired that this was going to take 5 years to turn around. Need to restore the Orange Pride and Tradition. I think Monday's activities prove that he is starting to do that.

This year, the majority of the players are ones he recruited for his system. We are playing an absolutely brutal OOC conference schedule that will challenge the piss out of the staff and players, as well as the fans. We most likely won't be delighted with the results, but I'm holding out a bit of hope. We got a young team with alot of athleticism.

So why not extend Marrone? By bringing in a new coach, our schedule isn't going to be any easier. He will have to recruit new players for his system and will likely muddle up the recruiting areas/system. The staff is making inroads in NYC, PA, MI, GA, FL, DC/VA/MD. Why would you start over? Marrone has said that this is his dream job. We can go out and hire an up-and-comer and he dumps us for a hotter girlfriend in 4 years. Back to square one. We need consistency in the program, and the absolute only way to do it right now is to offer Marrone a 3 or 4-year extension. It would show that SU is standing behind him and the staff to right the ship.

GRob took over a 6-6 program and drove it into the shitter, to be polite. Marrone took over a 10-37, 3-25 program and has turned it into 17-20, 6-15 in 3 years. Earth-shattering? Not at all. I'd like to see a coach take over a program that was annually in the ESPN Bottom 10, lose 20+ players within months after your hiring, have antiquated facilities, a miserable fan base and turn it into a winner in 3 years. Marrone took us to 8-5 in his 2nd year. 2nd year. Last year was a disappointing ending, no doubt. But we also trounced a WVU team that put up 70 on Clemson in a BCS bowl game. Just saying.

We are in a better position with Marrone than we were without him. That is enough reason to give him an extension.

 

[JeremyCuse]

You really think last year's team was that much better then the bottom end of the BCS? They beat Rhode Island at home by a touchdown, in reality lost to Toledo at home and beat Tulane by a FG. Then went 1-6 in the weakest BCS conference.

I have to lean more with GO with the overall thoughts of where the program came from under Grob to now but you make a great point about last years results. Our play under Marrone versus so called "lesser" teams has been underwhelming to say the least. The Rhode Island and Tulane games were really dissapointing, the fact we had to escape at the end in both games is really disconcerning in year 3 under Marrone. Even in the dark days of P and Deleone we would have rolled those teams. I am getting sick of tired of being in a dog fight with a 1AA team every year, it would be nice to be up 3-4 touchdowns over Stony Brook at halftime so we can actually sit back and enjoy a win for once.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Granted, last year's 5 game slide sucks. We can keep beating the hell out of that horse too (not addressed at you Whitey). Correct, he's 17-20 in 3 years.

GRob was:
2005: 1-10, 0-7 BE (took over a 6-6 team)
2006: 4-8, 1-6 BE
2007: 2-10, 1-6 BE
2008: 3-9, 1-6 BE
Totals: 10-37, 3-25 BE

3-25. Took over a 6-6 team. hmmm.

Marrone is 17-20, 6-15 and was hired to take over the warm garbage that GRob left for him. He made a bowl game his 2nd year. He missed a bowl game last year by one victory. GRob never sniffed a bowl game. People quickly forget how much of a hole this program was in 2008. 20+ players were asked or voluntarily left the program. He had 60 scholarship players or something his first year. Marrone even said when he was hired that this was going to take 5 years to turn around. Need to restore the Orange Pride and Tradition. I think Monday's activities prove that he is starting to do that.

This year, the majority of the players are ones he recruited for his system. We are playing an absolutely brutal OOC conference schedule that will challenge the piss out of the staff and players, as well as the fans. We most likely won't be delighted with the results, but I'm holding out a bit of hope. We got a young team with alot of athleticism.

So why not extend Marrone? By bringing in a new coach, our schedule isn't going to be any easier. He will have to recruit new players for his system and will likely muddle up the recruiting areas/system. The staff is making inroads in NYC, PA, MI, GA, FL, DC/VA/MD. Why would you start over? Marrone has said that this is his dream job. We can go out and hire an up-and-comer and he dumps us for a hotter girlfriend in 4 years. Back to square one. We need consistency in the program, and the absolute only way to do it right now is to offer Marrone a 3 or 4-year extension. It would show that SU is standing behind him and the staff to right the ship.

GRob took over a 6-6 program and drove it into the shitter, to be polite. Marrone took over a 10-37, 3-25 program and has turned it into 17-20, 6-15 in 3 years. Earth-shattering? Not at all. I'd like to see a coach take over a program that was annually in the ESPN Bottom 10, lose 20+ players within months after your hiring, have antiquated facilities, a miserable fan base and turn it into a winner in 3 years. Marrone took us to 8-5 in his 2nd year. 2nd year. Last year was a disappointing ending, no doubt. But we also trounced a WVU team that put up 70 on Clemson in a BCS bowl game. Just saying.

We are in a better position with Marrone than we were without him. That is enough reason to give him an extension.

Good post, I agree with a lot of what you said there. But one thing you mentioned that I think has to be mentioned again is the schedule. This is a self inflicted wound by the athletic dept, in what is turning out to be a big year for recruiting and Marrone himself regarding the extension we have unneccesarily made our OOC the toughest in the nation. People keep pointing out that its no big deal because the BE is so weak but that argument doesn't hold water when we are 0-9 versus Uconn, Pitt, and Lville under Marrone. The outlook for a bowl and a winning season would be a lot brighter if we were playing N.Texas or Middle Tenn State versus Mizzou on the road in late November.

 

[Whitey23]

We are in a better position with Marrone than we were without him. That is enough reason to give him an extension.

How do we really know that were better off going forward with him? How do we know that with some money and the cache moving to the ACC brings we can't find a better option? You referenced the relationships we are building in certain states. Isn't it possible to hire a coach who already walks in with those relationships?

Again, i'm not advocating firing the guy. I just want him to prove himself on the field with wins. His one winning year he caught lighting in the bottle with a senior class recruited by the other guy. Let's see what he can do on the field before we commit millions more to him. Things are alot better then they were before but we shouldn't be satisfied with that.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Looking over the depth chart it looks like his guys haven't exactly taken over from the other guy's guys.

Because Marrone has said all along, this is a developmental program. They're not recruiting guys who can come in and hit home runs from day one. They're trying to get guys into the weight room, red-shirt them, and give them a chance to be great players.

And while Marrone's recruits haven't pushed out Robinson recruits immediately, Robinson recruits have still develop (and in still cases, flourished) under Marrone's system. Something has to be said for that.

 

[kingottoiii]

Good post, I agree with a lot of what you said there. But one thing you mentioned that I think has to be mentioned again is the schedule. This is a self inflicted wound by the athletic dept, in what is turning out to be a big year for recruiting and Marrone himself regarding the extension we have unneccesarily made our OOC the toughest in the nation. People keep pointing out that its no big deal because the BE is so weak but that argument doesn't hold water when we are 0-9 versus Uconn, Pitt, and Lville under Marrone. The outlook for a bowl and a winning season would be a lot brighter if we were playing N.Texas or Middle Tenn State versus Mizzou on the road in late November.

OOC schedule is a weak excuse. Mizzou we didn't really have a choice, cannot blame that. We have 9 games vs mediocre teams on the schedule. Why is it that we cannot win 5 of those? The fact that we are 0-9 in those games you mentioned has to do with the HC and not the OOC schedule, where he actually has been successful.

 

[JeremyCuse]

OOC schedule is a weak excuse. Mizzou we didn't really have a choice, cannot blame that. We have 9 games vs mediocre teams on the schedule. Why is it that we cannot win 5 of those? The fact that we are 0-9 in those games you mentioned has to do with the HC and not the OOC schedule, where he actually has been successful.

I am not making an excuse at all for Marrone, I am simply pointing out that there was no need to make an allready tough OOC schedule the most difficult in the country. I still think we should be able to get to 5 wins regardless if we can finally take care of business versus Uconn and Pitt. Also we had plenty of choice about the Mizzou game not sure where you are getting that info from.

 

[GoSU96]

Looking over the depth chart it looks like his guys haven't exactly taken over from the other guy's guys.

That's ridiculous.

Other than the entire defense, OL, TE, RB you might have point.

 

[JeremyCuse]

That's ridiculous.

Other than the entire defense, OL, TE, RB you might have point.

To be fair this is year 4 under Marrone, most guys have graduated especially at TE (Provo) and RB Carter and Bailey. This is a big year for Marrone's recruits from a skill position standpoint especially WR where I still have big time concernse after Alec Lemon.

 

[Whitey23]

That's ridiculous.

Other than the entire defense, OL, TE, RB you might have point.

typo on my part:

Looking over last year's depth chart it looks like his guys hadn't exactly taken over from the other guy's guys.

 

[PhatOrange]

It's pretty narrow minded to only look at Ws and Ls and ask what else has he done.

The guy has completely gutted and rebuilt the program from the ground up. He's put it back on a solid foundation. Maybe he can't get the program over the hump where it counts but the next coach would certainly reap the rewards of Marrone's labor.

Gross is so involved in the football program to that he knows where the program is and how far it's come - he's not a dummy. Anybody involved in the behind the scenes stuff knows what good Marrone has done.

 

[Chip]

That's ridiculous.

Other than the entire defense, OL, TE, RB you might have point.

I don't think this post makes much sense, although the post you were responding to didn't make much sense either. It's year 4, most of the other guy's guys at the positions you mention (other than OL) have graduated, one leaving early for Sunday football.

As to the original thread, the extension is probably a good idea. I imagine that what billsin01 said is probably being discussed behind the scenes right now, probably a modest buyout. If we have a great year this year and it looks like his plan is really coming together, you rip that one up and give him a new (and better) one.

 

[Whitey23]

It's pretty narrow minded to only look at Ws and Ls and ask what else has he done.

The guy has completely gutted and rebuilt the program from the ground up. He's put it back on a solid foundation. Maybe he can't get the program over the hump where it counts but the next coach would certainly reap the rewards of Marrone's labor.

Gross is so involved in the football program to that he knows where the program is and how far it's come - he's not a dummy. Anybody involved in the behind the scenes stuff knows what good Marrone has done.

So are you in favor of a raise extension/raise? Knowing our financial limitations with hiring coaches, at what point does it become about the wins and losses?

 

[PhatOrange]

So are you in favor of a raise extension/raise? Knowing our financial limitations with hiring coaches, at what point does it become about the wins and losses?

I'd extend him 2 years with stipulations and no raise. The raise can be incentive based.

 

[Whitey23]

I'd extend him 2 years with stipulations and no raise. The raise can be incentive based.

Assuming he goes .500 or worse this year, what would you need to see in 2013-14 for him to keep his job?

 

[Rocco]

How do we really know that were better off going forward with him? How do we know that with some money and the cache moving to the ACC brings we can't find a better option? You referenced the relationships we are building in certain states. Isn't it possible to hire a coach who already walks in with those relationships?

Again, i'm not advocating firing the guy. I just want him to prove himself on the field with wins. His one winning year he caught lighting in the bottle with a senior class recruited by the other guy. Let's see what he can do on the field before we commit millions more to him. Things are alot better then they were before but we shouldn't be satisfied with that.

No but what is the point in bringing in someone who would just leave us in a few years if he's successful for a bigger job? Syracuse is a stepping stone football school. Marrone will be here for awhile, as along as we keep him. In this day of college football, you don't come across loyalty like that. That should have something to do with it. He has shown progress, not blazing progress, but it is worthy enough at this point IMO.

You can give him an extension with very tight parameters that gives SU an easy out should it come to that in a few years.

 

[Rocco]

You need to TM "SwaggerCuse."

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I think Wayne and Wayne already have.

 

[orangeintheacc]

DM and his staff have had a tremendous amout of input and control in the renovations at Manley and the dome. As has been already said, they have completely changed the culture and the attitudes around campus and throughout the Northeast. Based on what I have seen, IMO the higher up's are not planning on DM being here for only 2 more years unless all hell breaks loose.

I know everyone wants more wins, but a solid foundation isn't built overnight. I don't think Doug deserves a raise yet, I think if you asked Doug he probably doesn't think he deserves a raise yet, but I do think he has earned a 2 year extension based on the foundation he is building. I think if you read Rocco's earlier, longer post he hit it right on the head as to the reasons why. Give him 2 more years and if he wins 12 or more games in those 2 years give him another extension and a raise at that time.

 

[Crusty]

Assuming he goes .500 or worse this year, what would you need to see in 2013-14 for him to keep his job?

First year in ACC is hard to quantify however, I think I would be satisfied with 7-5 and being competitive in every game.

 

[syr02esq]

This could not be a better time to show all recruits/HS coaches/parents out there that he and the staff aren't going anywhere for awhile.

We just announced we are leaving the BE early for the ACC next year.

Recruiting has improved (I know some will disagree) over the last 2 years.

It seems that the team is really starting to gel and look like a family.

NYC recruits are really starting to look at SU as their home team. "SwaggerCuse"

We got new facilities being built, with more planned down the road.

The only missing piece is Marrone, who's current contract ends after the 2013 season. It would show everyone out there that there is great stability in this program and would keep our assistants in place who have done good jobs building their recruiting beds. We have a ridiculous schedule this year, which will be harder next year once we add ACC opponents. A new coach is not going to help that at all. Marrone is the right guy for the job and is methodically digging SU out of the meteoric hole that Grubbers put us in.

If we start 4-1, then I think this would be justified.

 

[OttoMets]

Granted, last year's 5 game slide sucks. We can keep beating the hell out of that horse too (not addressed at you Whitey). Correct, he's 17-20 in 3 years.

GRob was:
2005: 1-10, 0-7 BE (took over a 6-6 team)
2006: 4-8, 1-6 BE
2007: 2-10, 1-6 BE
2008: 3-9, 1-6 BE
Totals: 10-37, 3-25 BE

3-25. Took over a 6-6 team. hmmm.

Marrone is 17-20, 6-15 and was hired to take over the warm garbage that GRob left for him. He made a bowl game his 2nd year. He missed a bowl game last year by one victory. GRob never sniffed a bowl game. People quickly forget how much of a hole this program was in 2008. 20+ players were asked or voluntarily left the program. He had 60 scholarship players or something his first year. Marrone even said when he was hired that this was going to take 5 years to turn around. Need to restore the Orange Pride and Tradition. I think Monday's activities prove that he is starting to do that.

This year, the majority of the players are ones he recruited for his system. We are playing an absolutely brutal OOC conference schedule that will challenge the piss out of the staff and players, as well as the fans. We most likely won't be delighted with the results, but I'm holding out a bit of hope. We got a young team with alot of athleticism.

So why not extend Marrone? By bringing in a new coach, our schedule isn't going to be any easier. He will have to recruit new players for his system and will likely muddle up the recruiting areas/system. The staff is making inroads in NYC, PA, MI, GA, FL, DC/VA/MD. Why would you start over? Marrone has said that this is his dream job. We can go out and hire an up-and-comer and he dumps us for a hotter girlfriend in 4 years. Back to square one. We need consistency in the program, and the absolute only way to do it right now is to offer Marrone a 3 or 4-year extension. It would show that SU is standing behind him and the staff to right the ship.

GRob took over a 6-6 program and drove it into the shitter, to be polite. Marrone took over a 10-37, 3-25 program and has turned it into 17-20, 6-15 in 3 years. Earth-shattering? Not at all. I'd like to see a coach take over a program that was annually in the ESPN Bottom 10, lose 20+ players within months after your hiring, have antiquated facilities, a miserable fan base and turn it into a winner in 3 years. Marrone took us to 8-5 in his 2nd year. 2nd year. Last year was a disappointing ending, no doubt. But we also trounced a WVU team that put up 70 on Clemson in a BCS bowl game. Just saying.

We are in a better position with Marrone than we were without him. That is enough reason to give him an extension.

That's an A+ post; great take.

It's also nice to see someone acknowledge Robinson's incredible failure without taking gratuitous personal shots at the guy. Rare around these parts.

 

[OttoMets]

Also, this might be a situation where "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Don't know if Doug's "earned" an extension at this point, but would it be good for the program if he gets an extension? And would it be bad for the program if he doesn't?

If the goal is to make the program as successful (as in, wins and losses over the long term) as it can be, I don't see how the school can afford not to give him an extension beyond 2013.

 

[Rocco]

That's an A+ post; great take.

It's also nice to see someone acknowledge Robinson's incredible failure without taking gratuitous personal shots at the guy. Rare around these parts.

Funny you bring that up regarding GRob's character. I met GRob on several occasions (a few at the Seneca Falls golf tourney) and he was an incredibly nice and outgoing guy. Unfortunately, his good demeanor didn't translate to W's. You are right... you can simply state the facts without personally bashing someone. GRob's record and program control was simply horrendous, but on the other hand, was a guy I would drink beer with at a barbeque.

Now, offer Marrone an extension before the season begins. Not during the season. Show the man some faith.