TNIAAM calls for Reed's head and Whigham benching.

[SaltineWarrior]

I was wondering when someone would sa this.
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/9...econdary-defensive-backs-fred-reed-orange-lsu

I have noticed the technique used is pretty poor. A few of the isolated camera replays highlighted how they play when receivers make a move. Add that to the big cushions at first against WF & the defensive scheme we run and its no surprise we give up some big passing plays. But ultimately there are some fundamentals missing. My guess is if this is being talked about on our level, Reed recognizes the same issues and knows his time is short if Gregory is already on the staff. He needs to address these issues quickly.

 

[GoSU96]

some?

They've given up 4 TD's passing. 32nd best TD/Attempt ratio through 4 games. 36th best Int/Attempt ratio

They give up yds and completions, and there's nothing new about that. It's inherent in the design of the defense. Do they give up more 3rd down conversions than I would like, sure, but they also make game changing plays as well.

Three new safeties, Winfield is still learning, but has made some big plays. If these were a bunch of 4th and 5th year players then it might be a bigger concern as a unit. And you have a bunch of 1st and 2nd year guys at LB as well.

 

[upperdeck]

we have issues but the LSU game wasnt lost because they completed 8 passes. the CMU/Wake game was more about the LB and safety mistakes than what the corners gave up

 

[Millhouse]

They've given up 4 TD's passing. 32nd best TD/Attempt ratio through 4 games. 36th best Int/Attempt ratio

They give up yds and completions, and there's nothing new about that. It's inherent in the design of the defense. Do they give up more 3rd down conversions than I would like, sure, but they also make game changing plays as well.

Three new safeties, Winfield is still learning, but has made some big plays. If these were a bunch of 4th and 5th year players then it might be a bigger concern as a unit. And you have a bunch of 1st and 2nd year guys at LB as well.

So far they've been good at getting interceptions (one of them from a big guy) and bad at everything else. I get that we send a lot of people at the QB, give up some yards. But whigham is an issue. i don't want to beat up on him too much. opposing FBS qbs have a 143 passer rating with 4 td and 4 int

67% completion is too easy. I agree it's nothing new, we're usually bad there every year but one. Turnovers are often luck.

i think the whole season relies on whether opposing coaches will stick to what they do or whether they will attack our weakness.

 

[RF2044]

So far they've been good at getting interceptions (one of them from a big guy) and bad at everything else. I get that we send a lot of people at the QB, give up some yards. But whigham is an issue. i don't want to beat up on him too much. opposing FBS qbs have a 143 passer rating with 4 td and 4 int

67% completion is too easy. I agree it's nothing new, we're usually bad there every year but one. Turnovers are often luck.

i think the whole season relies on whether opposing coaches will stick to what they do or whether they will attack our weakness.

Easier said than done if you don't have the personnel to attack it effectively.

Recognizing the opponent's weakness is different than being able to capitalize on it. I don't see teams like Pitt, BC, USF, etc. getting away from what they prefer to do.

 

[Millhouse]

Easier said than done if you don't have the personnel to attack it effectively.

Recognizing the opponent's weakness is different than being able to capitalize on it. I don't see teams like Pitt, BC, USF, etc. getting away from what they prefer to do.

i don't think you need very good personnel to chuck it against our secondary but i agree that BC won't do it, thankfully. i don't know what pitt and usf will do. but those are the three games

virginia stinks but they'll throw a lot which makes me nervous

as fournette was killing us for most of the game, i was saying well at least they're not throwing at whigham

 

[RF2044]

i don't think you need very good personnel to chuck it against our secondary but i agree that BC won't do it, thankfully. i don't know what pitt and usf will do. but those are the three games

virginia stinks but they'll throw a lot which makes me nervous

as fournette was killing us for most of the game, i was saying well at least they're not throwing at whigham

You don't install an effective passing attack in one week. Remember when we tried to run that goofy defense against GT a couple of years ago? How'd that work out for us?

Most teams will try to exploit mismatches where they can, but not get away from what they do. Fortunately, many of the 50/50 teams left on our schedule [with the notable exception of UVa] are run oriented teams. I'd love to see many of them come out attempting to chuck it, beause it would take away from what they do best, even if we aren't great against the pass.

Personally, I think it is far more likely that the pitts, bcs, usfs will try to line up and run it down our throat, play ball control, and keep the ball out of Dungey's hands. Doing so will actually play into our hands, because we don't struggle to move the ball / score like we have in recent years.

 

[Crusty]

Very interesting comments. At the end of the day we are still left with Whigham and no solution. We just have to hope he gets better.

 

[GoSU96]

So far they've been good at getting interceptions (one of them from a big guy) and bad at everything else. I get that we send a lot of people at the QB, give up some yards. But whigham is an issue. i don't want to beat up on him too much. opposing FBS qbs have a 143 passer rating with 4 td and 4 int

67% completion is too easy. I agree it's nothing new, we're usually bad there every year but one. Turnovers are often luck.

i think the whole season relies on whether opposing coaches will stick to what they do or whether they will attack our weakness.

They aren't getting beat deep that much. 66th in completions of 30 or more yds allowed as a % of attempts, 5 out of 132 attempts. It's not a crisis.

 

[RF2044]

Very interesting comments. At the end of the day we are still left with Whigham and no solution. We just have to hope he gets better.

Winfield stays at one corner, and has upside.

Whigham is an incumbent, but has really struggled.

Morgan is kind of a 'tweener CB / safety hybrid

Dowels and Hudson are redshirt frosh.

That's it, unless you try to use a Daivon Ellison at corner [who is a true frosh].

The only prospective solutions I think we have would be to:

• Substitute Morgan for Whigham
• Go with a young talent like Dowels [or Hudson] and let them take their lumps
• Ride it out with Whigham, and hope that the unit shows performance improvement over the course of the season as the safeties gain experience

Here's hoping that kid from Georgia in the class of 2016 is legit. We could use an influx of talent.

 

[Millhouse]

You don't install an effective passing attack in one week. Remember when we tried to run that goofy defense against GT a couple of years ago? How'd that work out for us?

Most teams will try to exploit mismatches where they can, but not get away from what they do. Fortunately, many of the 50/50 teams left on our schedule [with the notable exception of UVa] are run oriented teams. I'd love to see many of them come out attempting to chuck it, beause it would take away from what they do best, even if we aren't great against the pass.

Personally, I think it is far more likely that the pitts, bcs, usfs will try to line up and run it down our throat, play ball control, and keep the ball out of Dungey's hands. Doing so will actually play into our hands, because we don't struggle to move the ball / score like we have in recent years.

you don't need an effective passing attack to pick on whigham. BC was very good against SU in the air last year.

john wolford can't throw the ball, he's terrible. he had a decent day against us. we won, not a big deal. but you don't need an effective passing attack in general to be effective against SU

 

[Millhouse]

They aren't getting beat deep that much. 66th in completions of 30 or more yds allowed as a % of attempts, 5 out of 132 attempts. It's not a crisis.

it's a big concern for me but not a crisis. we're 3-1, nothing's a crisis.

 

[RF2044]

you don't need an effective passing attack to pick on whigham. BC was very good against SU in the air last year.

john wolford can't throw the ball, he's terrible. he had a decent day against us. we won, not a big deal. but you don't need an effective passing attack in general to be effective against SU

You're overstating it.

Lots of moving parts go into fielding an effective passing attack. It isn't just wing it toward Whigham's side of the field and cash in. Can the OL pass protect? Can they stop our pass rush? Can the QB deliver the ball effectively? What happens with the QB if the pocket breaks down? Can their receivers get open?

We've probably played 2 of the top 4-5 passing teams on our schedule already.

Whigham has really, really struggled--but I also don't think he is quite as bad as some are letting on. He needs to shore things up, no question, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Crusty]

Winfield stays at one corner, and has upside.

Whigham is an incumbent, but has really struggled.

Morgan is kind of a 'tweener CB / safety hybrid

Dowels and Hudson are redshirt frosh.

That's it, unless you try to use a Daivon Ellison at corner [who is a true frosh].

The only prospective solutions I think we have would be to:

• Substitute Morgan for Whigham
• Go with a young talent like Dowels [or Hudson] and let them take their lumps
• Ride it out with Whigham, and hope that the unit shows performance improvement over the course of the season as the safeties gain experience

Here's hoping that kid from Georgia in the class of 2016 is legit. We could use an influx of talent.

.Brinson?

 

[phil77]

Most corners will get beat deep if you don't role safety help there side. Especially when they are facing superior athletes who can just run past them. There is no benching anyone. Either change your scheme to help out the corners or just live with the fact they will get beat deep once or twice a game. That is what our defense is. It is a gambling defense and sometimes you get beat it happens at every level of football.

 

[RF2044]

.Brinson?

Like I said above, it would be PHENOMENAL for this kid to come in ready next year, or for Dowels / Hudson to step up and seize the role. Right now, it feels like we're sporting 3/4 of a solid defensive secondary, with questionable play / depth at CB, aside from Winfield.

 

[OrangeMojo]

I used to really enjoy TNIAAM.

Seems like they've gone more to the syra_use.com strategy of being overly negative to generate clicks though :noidea:

 

[Rocco]

I like the idea of replacing Reed with Gregory.

I think that could very likely end up happening. Reed has been a good recruiter, but I don't think Gregory would struggle. He had a great Syracuse career and a fairly lengthy NFL career. I mean the guy was positively involved with the worst play in the history of the Jets, the infamous Sanchez "Butt Fumble".

 

[Deano]

I think that could very likely end up happening. Reed has been a good recruiter, but I don't think Gregory would struggle. He had a great Syracuse career and a fairly lengthy NFL career. I mean the guy was positively involved with the worst play in the history of the Jets, the infamous Sanchez "Butt Fumble".

If that were too happen, hopefully the same results transpire ala what our OC has done this year compared to our former one.

 

[SWC75]

Defense has a lot of moving parts but truly more of a team effort vs offense. On offense 1 guy can make a broken play look good. On defense, 1 missed assignment can make the whole unit look bad.

I'd say it's about equal. One blown assignment can bust up an offensive play but a great move can make something out of nothing. Defensively, Thompson can be sacking the QB while Whigham is trying to find his guy. But if Whigham has his guy, it gives Thompsoon more time to get to the QB.

I think the main difference is that your offense has to function like a unit, usually to a particular spot (the "point of contact"), while the defense has to fan out to cover territory and so is perhaps a bit more based on individual play.

 

[SUfanNC]

I don't think it would be a bad thing to have Gregory coach secondary if this doesn't pan out with Reed. He was a good player and played in NFL under Belichick. That is enough for me as far as coaching. Recruiting is something else but put him in the New England area.

 

[Millhouse]

You're overstating it.

Lots of moving parts go into fielding an effective passing attack. It isn't just wing it toward Whigham's side of the field and cash in. Can the OL pass protect? Can they stop our pass rush? Can the QB deliver the ball effectively? What happens with the QB if the pocket breaks down? Can their receivers get open?

We've probably played 2 of the top 4-5 passing teams on our schedule already.

Whigham has really, really struggled--but I also don't think he is quite as bad as some are letting on. He needs to shore things up, no question, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

most of our opponents do throw the ball. and lots of teams will have variation in how much they throw. balance is about being able to run and throw. depending on what the defense gives you, you might run or throw more. i hope that opposing coaches don't tilt towards throwing more, but they probably should. it's not that you have to install a whole new offense to do that.

 

[RF2044]

most of our opponents do throw the ball. and lots of teams will have variation in how much they throw. balance is about being able to run and throw. depending on what the defense gives you, you might run or throw more. i hope that opposing coaches don't tilt towards throwing more, but they probably should. it's not that you have to install a whole new offense to do that.

Most teams don't have balanced attacks, nor the personnel to do both effectively. For example, BC's ginormous WRs [discussed yesterday in a thread] who are used primarily as blockers in their run-oriented offense aren't suddenly going to duplicate what Dupree was able to do downfield on Saturday.

I'd love to see several teams remaining on our schedule get away from their core offensive identity and try to throw more. Especially now that we don't struggle to amass yards or score this season.

 

[Fjoinkay]

I'm wondering how many of the 8 remaining teams on SU's sched have quality QB play, especially the passing game. The young man from CMU did a great job and has a great resume. I'd be interested to see the QB ratings to compare the CMU QB to the QBs SU is likely to face for the rest of the season. Either way, the backend will improve, and guys are going to get beat from time to time. I just hope they can respond better. Like others have said, Whigham had the right idea with the PI. No time to panic back there.

 

[Chip]

I wish the corners were better tacklers (insert Reddish redshirting would have been great in 2011 comment).

I also wish that Whigham just had a better sense for where the ball is. He will continue to get challenged deep because even if you don't beat him, you can beat him.

I don't think we need to do anything drastic though. I don't think it's at firing the assistant stage. Winfield is young and will get better. You keep working in the other younger guys and determine if they can pull time from the veterans.

I hope we stay aggressive. I think it works more often than not in college football.