TNIAAM calls for Reed's head and Whigham benching.

[K Otto XLIV]

I'm wondering how many of the 8 remaining teams on SU's sched have quality QB play, especially the passing game. The young man from CMU did a great job and has a great resume. I'd be interested to see the QB ratings to compare the CMU QB to the QBs SU is likely to face for the rest of the season.

Our scheme makes bad QBs look good. Golson against teams not named SU is a career 58.7% passer. Against SU he completed 82.1% including 25 in a row. If you give a team easy completions they will take it. There is a reason why SU is near the bottom of football every year in completion %.

 

[Ottoble]

IMO they need to stop selling out to stop the run so much and provide deep help to our corners. If you have a weakness you need to provide support to cover that weakness. Stop having the corners play soft. Have them play press at the line and provide 2 deep support over the top. There are ways the coaching staff can cover the weakness. But our defensive philosophy is not to do that. Our philosophy is to play soft coverage provide no support over the top and blitz. That is great when you get home but when you don't get home you get beat and beat deep. The coaching staff needs to let up some and provide some support to our corners.

I think there is some merit to this providing a little more safety help than they have on certain downs and distances...I also think the front 7 needs to get much better at getting their hands up for pass blocking and operate a 3rd man through system for screens. LSU did very very well at getting their hands up last week and it made a huge difference. If we are dedicating this many defensive players to the backfield then they need to get their hands up every single play.

Front 7 should have a count in their head every game. If they haven't broken through their block to get to the QB before say a 6 count (<+/- 2.5 seconds average college QB time to throw) their hands go up, then use that break to work a secondary move towards the quarterback. If the TE releases to your side or you are on the trips WR side of the formation you should have fewer blockers and get through faster but this is also a vulnerable short passing situation with a LB covering against the Slot/TE, then its say a 4 count to protect the slant/stick/drag routes to your side.

Coaching staff could get a GA to calc the opposing QB time to release from film depending on down and distance and adjust base number for the line each week and tweak during the game. While it may not always cause a pass block. If the line is getting their hands up on every passing play it will force additional progressions by the opposing QB and possibly help other pass rushers complete the sack or hurt the QB's accuracy and touch.

For screen defense, on any play if you're the 3rd man through the line your hands should immediately go up and you shade towards the side of the QB that your blocker went as you broke through, the QB the going to try to throw before you get there anyways because your teammates are pressuring him. Also if you break the line way too easily and the RB evades and does not pass protect you should chip hit him hard. He will always pass protect or at least chip you on his way out on a missed block by the lineman if he's not the primary or main secondary release receiver. If the ball is not in the air you can crush him pre throw behind the L.O.S.with no consequence, getting him off his route or to the ground.

 

[RF2044]

I wish the corners were better tacklers (insert Reddish redshirting would have been great in 2011 comment).

I also wish that Whigham just had a better sense for where the ball is. He will continue to get challenged deep because even if you don't beat him, you can beat him.

I don't think we need to do anything drastic though. I don't think it's at firing the assistant stage. Winfield is young and will get better. You keep working in the other younger guys and determine if they can pull time from the veterans.

I hope we stay aggressive. I think it works more often than not in college football.

No kidding--having Reddish to pair with Whigham would do wonders for the pass D, and shore up a lot of deficiencies. I think that CB / S are the only two positional units left on the team [possibly TE, depending on what happens with Clark / Dunkelberger] where we don't have replenished depth / talent. It is going to be important to recruit HARD at those positions these next few years to get that turned around.

We've seen tangible improvement in depth / athletic ability at every other positional unit. I'm confident the staff will get it done, and rectify the current issues by bringing in improved athletes to play in the secondary.

Also, agree 100% that we aren't anywhere close to "fire the AC" talk. Right now, we're fielding a respectable 3/4 of a starting secondary, with all three players being inexperienced newbies [and that's without Blair]. All three of those players [and Morgan] return next season. If we could upgrade the talent pool behind that group...

 

[Fjoinkay]

Our scheme makes bad QBs look good. Golson against teams not named SU is a career 58.7% passer. Against SU he completed 82.1% including 25 in a row. If you give a team easy completions they will take it. There is a reason why SU is near the bottom of football every year in completion %.

I agree that our scheme is a factor. Didn't Golson throw a few picks last year against SU? What was his QB rating for that game? SU's secondary was has been up and down. I thought the 2010 secondary was pretty good.

 

[Millhouse]

I wish the corners were better tacklers (insert Reddish redshirting would have been great in 2011 comment).

I also wish that Whigham just had a better sense for where the ball is. He will continue to get challenged deep because even if you don't beat him, you can beat him.

I don't think we need to do anything drastic though. I don't think it's at firing the assistant stage. Winfield is young and will get better. You keep working in the other younger guys and determine if they can pull time from the veterans.

I hope we stay aggressive. I think it works more often than not in college football.

i don't want anyone fired, i just want a lot more snaps for the backups. and I'll continue to hope that we go against some run and stop the run coaches

 

[Fjoinkay]

i don't want anyone fired, i just want a lot more snaps for the backups. and I'll continue to hope that we go against some run and stop the run coaches

The sched for this season is set, so we know what to expect. No need to hope one way or the other. I'm surprised you haven't posted the QB ratings for the QBs SU is likely to face from here on out.

 

[TheCusian]

you don't need an effective passing attack to pick on whigham. BC was very good against SU in the air last year.

john wolford can't throw the ball, he's terrible. he had a decent day against us. we won, not a big deal. but you don't need an effective passing attack in general to be effective against SU

Wake's leading the conference in passing offense so far. He can sling it. After our game last year, he got better and better. But it's kind of a moot point since he's out injured.

 

[Millhouse]

Wake's leading the conference in passing offense so far. He can sling it. After our game last year, he got better and better. But it's kind of a moot point since he's out injured.

looks to me like he had 3 stinkers in between two good games after playing us

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/john-wolford-1/gamelog/

 

[Crusty]

I think there is some merit to this providing a little more safety help than they have on certain downs and distances...I also think the front 7 needs to get much better at getting their hands up for pass blocking and operate a 3rd man through system for screens. LSU did very very well at getting their hands up last week and it made a huge difference. If we are dedicating this many defensive players to the backfield then they need to get their hands up every single play.

Front 7 should have a count in their head every game. If they haven't broken through their block to get to the QB before say a 6 count (<+/- 2.5 seconds average college QB time to throw) their hands go up, then use that break to work a secondary move towards the quarterback. If the TE releases to your side or you are on the trips WR side of the formation you should have fewer blockers and get through faster but this is also a vulnerable short passing situation with a LB covering against the Slot/TE, then its say a 4 count to protect the slant/stick/drag routes to your side.

Coaching staff could get a GA to calc the opposing QB time to release from film depending on down and distance and adjust base number for the line each week and tweak during the game. While it may not always cause a pass block. If the line is getting their hands up on every passing play it will force additional progressions by the opposing QB and possibly help other pass rushers complete the sack or hurt the QB's accuracy and touch.

For screen defense, on any play if you're the 3rd man through the line your hands should immediately go up and you shade towards the side of the QB that your blocker went as you broke through, the QB the going to try to throw before you get there anyways because your teammates are pressuring him. Also if you break the line way too easily and the RB evades and does not pass protect you should chip hit him hard. He will always pass protect or at least chip you on his way out on a missed block by the lineman if he's not the primary or main secondary release receiver. If the ball is not in the air you can crush him pre throw behind the L.O.S.with no consequence, getting him off his route or to the ground.

Are you seriously telling the staff how to coach technique?

 

[TheCusian]

looks to me like he had 3 stinkers in between two good games after playing us

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/john-wolford-1/gamelog/

Yeah - against two of the best defenses in the conference. Clemson did that to near everyone last year. Point taken, though. I hadn't looked - was going from memory. He's not bad at all - and they throw a lot since they can't run a lick.

 

[suloyalfan]

I tend to agree. its schematic. however, the third and long play that he got beat over the top in the fourth quarter is inexcusable.

He was there... he misplayed the ball. He went for hands instead off just knocking the ball down.

 

[rocklloyd]

I used to really enjoy TNIAAM.

Seems like they've gone more to the syra_use.com strategy of being overly negative to generate clicks though :noidea:

And there's never been any negatively here? Week to week, we're changing quarterbacks, coaches and announcers.

 

[TheCusian]

And there's never been any negatively here? Week to week, we're changing quarterbacks, coaches and announcers.

Big difference between the two sites. This is obviously a place where people of many opinions talk about the team conversation style. Nunes is publishing pieces or stories that are tone setting and have a higher importance than a thread here (at least in volume).

Here: conversation in a bar over beers
There: designated person delivers speech

 

[jgeorge322]

He was there... he misplayed the ball. He went for hands instead off just knocking the ball down.

It was right in front of me. He had no idea where the ball was.

 

[anomander]

IMO they need to stop selling out to stop the run so much and provide deep help to our corners. If you have a weakness you need to provide support to cover that weakness. Stop having the corners play soft. Have them play press at the line and provide 2 deep support over the top. There are ways the coaching staff can cover the weakness. But our defensive philosophy is not to do that. Our philosophy is to play soft coverage provide no support over the top and blitz. That is great when you get home but when you don't get home you get beat and beat deep. The coaching staff needs to let up some and provide some support to our corners.

To be fair they haven't blitzed nearly as much as in the past. Prime example was the most important play of the LSU game. 4th quarter we had just scored to cut their lead to 7. It's 3rd and 10 and the Dome is absolutely rocking. Harris goes deep and Whigham is beat bad, but did anybody notice Whiten biting on the underneath route, leaving Whigham without help? You could question what Whitner was doing in there at such a crucial time, but Whigham should have had help over the top. The very next play he got beat was all on him though. Terrible technique and got caught looking in the backfield.

Williams and Cordy are by far our 2 best safeties. imo Scissum has been a huge disappointment and can tell why he got passed by Cordy and Williams. Absolutely terrible tackler. Goes high every single time, and takes terrible angles. If you noticed both of Fournette's big runs it was Scissum who took an asbolutely terrible angle to him. It was almost like he didn't want to have to hit him.

I think 1 of our best safeties is at CB, Wayne Morgan. He gets a lot of shittt for his play at CB, but I don't think he has been bad at all, or at least in comparison to the rest of the team. I like him at safety. He's outstanding against the run, and is probably the fastest DB we have. Whigham, Winfield, and Dowels could be top 3 cbs and Cordy, Williams, Morgan top 3 safeties.

Either way I think this is the area that needs to be addressed the most in recruiting. We need some big bodies back there. Blair not qualifying was an absolute killer. I have no doubt he'd be a starter.

 

[suloyalfan]

It was right in front of me. He had no idea where the ball was.

Agreed... I'm just saying that he was in position to make the play but obviously didn't make ANY play other than tackling the guy after he caught it. If he located the ball, he could have knocked it down or intercepted it. For some reason he didn't locate the ball even though the receiver had no problems finding it. Maybe he needs glasses?

 

[rocklloyd]

Big difference between the two sites. This is obviously a place where people of many opinions talk about the team conversation style. Nunes is publishing pieces or stories that are tone setting and have a higher importance than a thread here (at least in volume).

Here: conversation in a bar over beers
There: designated person delivers speech

The opinions/discussions are in the comments of the stories. Stories are the conversation starters. Discussions are nearly identical in tone and content, simply served up to reader in a different fashion.

 

[TheCusian]

The opinions/discussions are in the comments of the stories. Stories are the conversation starters. Discussions are nearly identical in tone and content, simply served up to reader in a different fashion.

Yeah a more formal fashion - leads to idea that "they" (Nunes staff) have an agenda or negative bent. Especially since they profit from their articles/site.

They are closer to being Syracuse.com than this site.

 

[Ottoble]

Are you seriously telling the staff how to coach technique?

If they can't get the D Line to put their hands up ... then indirectly, yeah I guess I am.

 

[CTMick]

Yeah a more formal fashion - leads to idea that "they" (Nunes staff) have an agenda or negative bent. Especially since they profit from their articles/site.

They are closer to being Syracuse.com than this site.

Neither site is remotely close to Syracuse.com

 

[TheCusian]

Neither site is remotely close to Syracuse.com

Disagree. Publishing articles and opinion pieces with comments is what they do.

 

[Macky44]

Big difference between the two sites. This is obviously a place where people of many opinions talk about the team conversation style. Nunes is publishing pieces or stories that are tone setting and have a higher importance than a thread here (at least in volume).

Here: conversation in a bar over beers
There: designated person delivers speech

Also... for some odd reason ESPN and other places reference TNIAAM and alot of his dumb opinions like he is the source for SU sports. Makes me cringe.

 

[CanadianSU]

Whigham is targeted like crazy. And that will continue.

Hope he sits.

But I dislike Nunes a lot.

 

[upperdeck]

LSU only completed something like 8 passes i know at least 4 were with Whigham covering, the 2 late ones and both passes on the first drive they actually decided to throw.. i havent watched the other 4 yet.

 

[rocklloyd]

Yeah a more formal fashion - leads to idea that "they" (Nunes staff) have an agenda or negative bent. Especially since they profit from their articles/site.

They are closer to being Syracuse.com than this site.

C'mon. Did you really just compare Nunes to syracuse.com? I'm guess I'm done with this thread.