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Lets debunk a couple of myths about money.

Syracuse has the money and plenty of it. Syracuse turns a $19.6 million dollar profit from sports ranking them in the top 10 of all colleges. (this is before new ACCN/Nike contract)

as reported 2016/17

#1 Georgia - $47.7 mil

#2 Alabama - $30.6 mil

#3 ND - $26.5 mil

#4 Texas - $24.2 mil

#5 Auburn - $21.5 mil

#6 Washington - $19.9 mil

#7 Syracuse - $19.6 mil

#8 Iowa - $16.5 mil

#9 Arkansas - $16.0 mil

#10 Oklahoma - $15.7 mil


This article from Feb2018 is worth a look. Syracuse Athletics spending.

Syracuse athletics reports record revenues (How much does SU spend on each sport?)

It's eye opening:

For starters in 2017 Syracuse had $91.4 million in revenue. Spending is $71.8 million equates to a profit of $19.6 million; shown above.

When you see what we spend on other sports compared to football I think some things could be adjusted considering football is the cash cow.

Syracuse Athletics Spending:

*Men's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's field hockey (second in spending in the country)

*Men's soccer (second in spending in the country)

*Women's ice hockey (third in spending in the country)

*Men's rowing (fourth in spending in the country)

*Women's rowing (6th in spending in the country)

*Men's basketball (sixth in spending in the country)

*Women's tennis (8th in spending in the country)

*Women's basketball (11th in spending in the country)

*Women's soccer (23rd in spending in the country)

*Men's cross-country, indoor track, outdoor track (24th in spending in the country)

*Women's softball (31st in spending in the country)

*Women's cross country, indoor track, outdoor track (32nd in spending in the country)

*Women's volleyball (45th in spending in the country)

*Football (50th in spending in the country)
Syracuse's spending: $22 million
No. 1 in the country: Alabama, $62.3 million
No. 1 in the ACC: Florida State, $48.3 million
*At 50th on the list, Syracuse fits in between the University of Colorado and the University of North Carolina. The Orange last went to a bowl game in 2013.

***There is no reason for Syracuse Football to be 50th in spending in the country. I will have to go hunt down the football spending list but I wonder what bumping up to #30 would look like.
 
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Nick44 said:
This is nauseating. If Syracuse cannot get to $4M per year with something comparable for assistants, then this is a waste of time.

Let’s just move on to the next meat head defensive coordinator as our next HC.

Football will ALWAYS be the biggest athletic money maker. If you are committing $100M+ to the Carrier Dome, you sure as hell better invest in the product that is going to most help payoff that debt. If not, then what the hell are they investing for?
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What I bolded is a GREAT point. If you are committing that to the Carrier Dome then you sure as heck better have a coach with a product that's going to fill it.
 
PhatOrange said:
Lets debunk a couple of myths about money.

Syracuse has the money and plenty of it. Syracuse turns a $19.6 million dollar profit from sports ranking them in the top 10 of all colleges. (this is before new ACCN/Nike contract)

as reported 2016/17

#1 Georgia - $47.7 mil

#2 Alabama - $30.6 mil

#3 ND - $26.5 mil

#4 Texas - $24.2 mil

#5 Auburn - $21.5 mil

#6 Washington - $19.9 mil

#7 Syracuse - $19.6 mil

#8 Iowa - $16.5 mil

#9 Arkansas - $16.0 mil

#10 Oklahoma - $15.7 mil


This article from Feb2018 is worth a look. Syracuse Athletics spending.

Syracuse athletics reports record revenues (How much does SU spend on each sport?)

It's eye opening:

For starters in 2017 Syracuse had $91.4 million in revenue. Spending is $71.8 million equates to a profit of $19.6 million; shown above.

When you see what we spend on other sports compared to football I think some things could be adjusted considering football is the cash cow.

Syracuse Athletics Spending:

*Men's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's field hockey (second in spending in the country)

*Men's soccer (second in spending in the country)

*Women's ice hockey (third in spending in the country)

*Men's rowing (fourth in spending in the country)

*Women's rowing (6th in spending in the country)

*Men's basketball (sixth in spending in the country)

*Women's tennis (8th in spending in the country)

*Women's basketball (11th in spending in the country)

*Women's soccer (23rd in spending in the country)

*Men's cross-country, indoor track, outdoor track (24th in spending in the country)
Women's softball (31st in spending in the country)

*Women's cross country, indoor track, outdoor track (32nd in spending in the country)
Women's volleyball (45th in spending in the country)

*Football (50th in spending in the country)
Syracuse's spending: $22 million
No. 1 in the country: Alabama, $62.3 million
No. 1 in the ACC: Florida State, $48.3 million
*At 50th on the list, Syracuse fits in between the University of Colorado and the University of North Carolina. The Orange last went to a bowl game in 2013.

***There is no reason for Syracuse Football to be 50th in spending in the country. I will have to go hunt down the football spending list but I wonder what bumping up to #30 would look like.
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This is a bit OT to this thread, apologies, but, I've always been a bit angered by the lack of ROI on women's ice hockey, mens and women's lax (recently) mens rowing, etc. I am not saying that they don't deserve it, but that money isn't winning us a lot of championships lately. The Ice hockey coach complains yearly we don't give him enough, yet it seems we spend more than almost anyone on that sport. FH has had a few down years too, despite that heavy investment. Perhaps coaching changes are needed for some of those teams? Glad one is happening with women's soccer. That said, I fully believe if we spend on football, we will continue to recoup even more to share with the rest of the department.

As Nick44 said: Football will ALWAYS be the biggest athletic money maker. If you are committing $100M+ to the Carrier Dome, you sure as hell better invest in the product that is going to most help payoff that debt. If not, then what the hell are they investing for?

This is definitely important. A new dome with a bad team is a huge waste of opportunity. We need to go into that renovation running, not limping.
 
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Shrmdougluvr said:
Did you actually read the articles? I only read the second one you cited. I spent much of my time while reading thinking the author was really cherry picking examples, then he wrote this:

"While some question the degree to which the Flutie Effect or Final Four Effect truly nudges applications skyward—in many cases, applications were rising for other reasons not related to sports—most agree there’s some noticeable impact.
“Whether we can say it was directly caused by the run for the Final Four, there’s no statistical proof,” Dr. Robert Baker, director of the center for sport management at George Mason, told USA Today a couple of years ago. “But in reality, the correlation is so strong between those things happening and the vast amount of exposure, you can draw that assumption that they were related.”
The big takeaway is that all of this exposure heightens a school’s profile—especially if it was a fairly low profile to begin with—resulting in more student applications, more selectivity in who gets accepted, and (perhaps) higher enrollment overall. While this scenario can make it more difficult for students hoping to get into these institutions, the boost to a school’s reputation works out nicely for alumni (like me, ‘Nova Class of ’95), even if the team never got within a sniff of the Final Four when they were students."

I don't recall Syracuse University achieving any real positive impact from the 2003 Natty. In fact, our rankings declined precipitously. Villanova was very much a school on the come when they went to the final four in 2009. And the notion that all these smart, well-to-do, preppy kids started applying en mass to Georgetown "because of Patrick Ewing" is patently absurd.

It's nice the schools get some free publicity. I think there is a long term benefit in the form of increasing student morale, thereby creating more active alums.

I truly wonder how much more revenue Dino has the capacity to bring into the University/AD. Unless the Team makes a Playoff/Championship game (an incredible long shot), our share of ACC revenue is locked in. We've stopped the money grab games with big payouts. What's the difference in revenue generated by 6k to 7k more fans per game? That's basically what he contributes.

As a lifelong fan, alum, donor, and maybe even parent some day, I'd love to see sustained success in football again. But i think the University must, and will be judicious with its money.

Also, this notion that we are going to "lock" Dino up is absurd. Coaches leave. Jimbo just jumped from what most would consider to be a top 15 job. The "stress" got to Stoops, and it will eventually get to Meyer (again). Saban and Harbaugh are thought to be annual candidates for NFL jobs. And these are coaches at the selector schools, the pinnacle, and they pay insane amounts to retain them.
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I remember reading that in the fall of 1988 applications by students seeking to enter Syracuse University were up by the largest amount since the end of WWII. A poll was done of the applicants asking when they first started to consider SU and the vast majority of them said it was when we went to the Final Four in the spring of '87 and the football team went undefeated in the fall of '87. That wasn't why they wanted to come here. it just put the university on their radar. They then did the research and decided this was the place for them. I've always felt since then that the reason they spend all this money on sports and especially football was advertising.
 
PhatOrange said:
Lets debunk a couple of myths about money.

Syracuse has the money and plenty of it. Syracuse turns a $19.6 million dollar profit from sports ranking them in the top 10 of all colleges. (this is before new ACCN/Nike contract)

as reported 2016/17

#1 Georgia - $47.7 mil

#2 Alabama - $30.6 mil

#3 ND - $26.5 mil

#4 Texas - $24.2 mil

#5 Auburn - $21.5 mil

#6 Washington - $19.9 mil

#7 Syracuse - $19.6 mil

#8 Iowa - $16.5 mil

#9 Arkansas - $16.0 mil

#10 Oklahoma - $15.7 mil


This article from Feb2018 is worth a look. Syracuse Athletics spending.

Syracuse athletics reports record revenues (How much does SU spend on each sport?)

It's eye opening:

For starters in 2017 Syracuse had $91.4 million in revenue. Spending is $71.8 million equates to a profit of $19.6 million; shown above.

When you see what we spend on other sports compared to football I think some things could be adjusted considering football is the cash cow.

Syracuse Athletics Spending:

*Men's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's field hockey (second in spending in the country)

*Men's soccer (second in spending in the country)

*Women's ice hockey (third in spending in the country)

*Men's rowing (fourth in spending in the country)

*Women's rowing (6th in spending in the country)

*Men's basketball (sixth in spending in the country)

*Women's tennis (8th in spending in the country)

*Women's basketball (11th in spending in the country)

*Women's soccer (23rd in spending in the country)

*Men's cross-country, indoor track, outdoor track (24th in spending in the country)
Women's softball (31st in spending in the country)

*Women's cross country, indoor track, outdoor track (32nd in spending in the country)
Women's volleyball (45th in spending in the country)

*Football (50th in spending in the country)
Syracuse's spending: $22 million
No. 1 in the country: Alabama, $62.3 million
No. 1 in the ACC: Florida State, $48.3 million
*At 50th on the list, Syracuse fits in between the University of Colorado and the University of North Carolina. The Orange last went to a bowl game in 2013.

***There is no reason for Syracuse Football to be 50th in spending in the country. I will have to go hunt down the football spending list but I wonder what bumping up to #30 would look like.
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Did you read your own article? We didn’t have a $19m profit. We ran a balanced budget. The $19m is an accounting number based on how things have to be reported to the feds. But being balanced is good after many years of operating in the red.
 
rrlbees said:
Did you read your own article? We didn’t have a $19m profit. We ran a balanced budget. The $19m is an accounting number based on how things have to be reported to the feds. But being balanced is good after many years of operating in the red.
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Running a balanced budget as we all know doesnt mean that there wasnt a profit. The point is that SU has the funds to retain Dino and staff and to make the investments required.
It has been reported that the ACC network will generate approximately 10M in additional revenue per team.
The new sports apparel deal will be a significant increase as will the naming rights and in stadium advertising rights.
This doesnt take into account the enormous value that the University receives from prime time games, coaches interviews, top 25 coverage and all other PR based ancillary value.
Toss in increased applications, donations, and of course ticket, concessions, and merchandise sales and the decision to retain this staff is a solid economic decision. One that im confident the Administration will make.
 
kcsu said:
Running a balanced budget as we all know doesnt mean that there wasnt a profit. The point is that SU has the funds to retain Dino and staff and to make the investments required.
It has been reported that the ACC network will generate approximately 10M in additional revenue per team.
The new sports apparel deal will be a significant increase as will the naming rights and in stadium advertising rights.
This doesnt take into account the enormous value that the University receives from prime time games, coaches interviews, top 25 coverage and all other PR based ancillary value.
Toss in increased applications, donations, and of course ticket, concessions, and merchandise sales and the decision to retain this staff is a solid economic decision. One that im confident the Administration will make.
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None of that says bump Dino to $5m.
 
4.2 million and 3.8 to the staff. Would be fine with a 4/4 split as well. I don’t think money’s as large as a problem as many believe, but 4.5 to 5 is fairy tale figures for a coach thats not yet sustained this success.
 
As Bees stated earlier, if you have the means, donate to the Athletic Department and designate it for the football coaches fund. I can't donate a ton but I reupped a small donation this morning. I've been vocal that Dino's the right guy -- both from a football style and leadership perspective -- I'm proud that he's the coach and I'll chip in whatever I can to support him.

I'll let others worry about the money and arguing over the figures -- I'm just glad we have an AD who is committed to building a winning program and is improving the entire department and whole fan experience. I trust that Wildhack will do his best to retain Dino. No matter what, though, I think Dino's taught everyone finally that we have to always exploit the Dome and speed as our identity in football.
 
richmondcuse03 said:
As Bees stated earlier, if you have the means, donate to the Athletic Department and designate it for the football coaches fund. I can't donate a ton but I reupped a small donation this morning. I've been vocal that Dino's the right guy -- both from a football style and leadership perspective -- I'm proud that he's the coach and I'll chip in whatever I can to support him.

I'll let others worry about the money and arguing over the figures -- I'm just glad we have an AD who is committed to building a winning program and is improving the entire department and whole fan experience. I trust that Wildhack will do his best to retain Dino. No matter what, though, I think Dino's taught everyone finally that we have to always exploit the Dome and speed as our identity in football.
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I have complete faith in Wildhack. We can argue all we want as to what Dino should get. It doesn’t matter. Wildhack will do the right thing and I don’t believe IF Dino were to leave it will be over money. It will be fans not going to the Dome.
 
PhatOrange said:
Lets debunk a couple of myths about money.

Syracuse has the money and plenty of it. Syracuse turns a $19.6 million dollar profit from sports ranking them in the top 10 of all colleges. (this is before new ACCN/Nike contract)

as reported 2016/17

#1 Georgia - $47.7 mil

#2 Alabama - $30.6 mil

#3 ND - $26.5 mil

#4 Texas - $24.2 mil

#5 Auburn - $21.5 mil

#6 Washington - $19.9 mil

#7 Syracuse - $19.6 mil

#8 Iowa - $16.5 mil

#9 Arkansas - $16.0 mil

#10 Oklahoma - $15.7 mil


This article from Feb2018 is worth a look. Syracuse Athletics spending.

Syracuse athletics reports record revenues (How much does SU spend on each sport?)

It's eye opening:

For starters in 2017 Syracuse had $91.4 million in revenue. Spending is $71.8 million equates to a profit of $19.6 million; shown above.

When you see what we spend on other sports compared to football I think some things could be adjusted considering football is the cash cow.

Syracuse Athletics Spending:

*Men's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's lacrosse (first in spending in the country)

*Women's field hockey (second in spending in the country)

*Men's soccer (second in spending in the country)

*Women's ice hockey (third in spending in the country)

*Men's rowing (fourth in spending in the country)

*Women's rowing (6th in spending in the country)

*Men's basketball (sixth in spending in the country)

*Women's tennis (8th in spending in the country)

*Women's basketball (11th in spending in the country)

*Women's soccer (23rd in spending in the country)

*Men's cross-country, indoor track, outdoor track (24th in spending in the country)

*Women's softball (31st in spending in the country)

*Women's cross country, indoor track, outdoor track (32nd in spending in the country)

*Women's volleyball (45th in spending in the country)

*Football (50th in spending in the country)
Syracuse's spending: $22 million
No. 1 in the country: Alabama, $62.3 million
No. 1 in the ACC: Florida State, $48.3 million
*At 50th on the list, Syracuse fits in between the University of Colorado and the University of North Carolina. The Orange last went to a bowl game in 2013.

***There is no reason for Syracuse Football to be 50th in spending in the country. I will have to go hunt down the football spending list but I wonder what bumping up to #30 would look like.
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We may know revenues but we don't know debt. How much of that profit goes to debt servicing every year? The budgeting and accounting at these private non-profits are closely guarded secrets.

People make the same mistake when they talk about endowments. Revenues from a big endowment are not just a slush fund to carry out university projects. The endowment principal, first of all, generally cannot be touched. Second, the endowment is often used to get loans to complete major building projects in a timely manner. Harvard might have a 40-some billion dollar endowment but it also has billions and billions in debt.
 
PhatOrange said:
I think the majority are saying $4m to $4.5m.
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4.5 is far too high too. And the post I responded to had previous suggested that it should be $1-2m higher than what another person suggested as 3.6-4.1. So my post was to him not the whole board.
 
supp said:
We may know revenues but we don't know debt. How much of that profit goes to debt servicing every year? The budgeting and accounting at these private non-profits are closely guarded secrets.

People make the same mistake when they talk about endowments. Revenues from a big endowment are not just a slush fund to carry out university projects. The endowment principal, first of all, generally cannot be touched. Second, the endowment is often used to get loans to complete major building projects in a timely manner. Harvard might have a 40-some billion dollar endowment but it also has billions and billions in debt.
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Agreed.

What stands out to me the most about those spending numbers, if we're so poor, it seems odd to me that we're top 10 spending in all of the non-revenue sports (and Women's basketball is #11). Doesn't seem in line with a School that doesn't have any extra money to spend on football.
 
rrlbees said:
Did you read your own article? We didn’t have a $19m profit. We ran a balanced budget. The $19m is an accounting number based on how things have to be reported to the feds. But being balanced is good after many years of operating in the red.
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Yeah that reporting is terribly misleading
 
kcsu said:
Running a balanced budget as we all know doesnt mean that there wasnt a profit. The point is that SU has the funds to retain Dino and staff and to make the investments required.
It has been reported that the ACC network will generate approximately 10M in additional revenue per team.
The new sports apparel deal will be a significant increase as will the naming rights and in stadium advertising rights.
This doesnt take into account the enormous value that the University receives from prime time games, coaches interviews, top 25 coverage and all other PR based ancillary value.
Toss in increased applications, donations, and of course ticket, concessions, and merchandise sales and the decision to retain this staff is a solid economic decision. One that im confident the Administration will make.
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If it was about HC cash it never would’ve been an issue at SU. There’s always cash somewhere. The issue at SU has always been the optics.
 
blust2i3d4 said:
Louisville will pay him triple of what SU is paying him.
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rrlbees said:
4.5 is far too high too. And the post I responded to had previous suggested that it should be $1-2m higher than what another person suggested as 3.6-4.1. So my post was to him not the whole board.
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$4.5m would be roughly #17 highest paid coach.

$4m, which is where I think we should come in, would be roughly #23 and would put him #3 in the ACC and tied with Fuente at VT.

It's not like this is a starting salary. He's earned it.
 
richmondcuse03 said:
As Bees stated earlier, if you have the means, donate to the Athletic Department and designate it for the football coaches fund. I can't donate a ton but I reupped a small donation this morning. I've been vocal that Dino's the right guy -- both from a football style and leadership perspective -- I'm proud that he's the coach and I'll chip in whatever I can to support him.

I'll let others worry about the money and arguing over the figures -- I'm just glad we have an AD who is committed to building a winning program and is improving the entire department and whole fan experience. I trust that Wildhack will do his best to retain Dino. No matter what, though, I think Dino's taught everyone finally that we have to always exploit the Dome and speed as our identity in football.
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I know there was a fundraising event recently, but do you have a link for donations? Someone here, cannot recall who, provided a link before but it's gotten lost in the shuffle the last few weeks.
 
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