Today Dino needs to be locked up

[orange79]

How is one dept fine financially vs another. Are they selling T-shirt’s at Newhouse? Isn’t the entire operation a non profit show? The school charges a ton for sure and those academic schools need to be supported.

I think we look at higher learning completely different. I rather my school higher ranked academically than athletically. Having both occur will be a fantastic development which i think we can achieve but the school becomes so much more if it is a top 40 institution again and relevant in football/basketball. Paying Dino a slight uptick along w him getting the things that will make the program better, sign me up. If he’s buying in, the money will quietly get squared away and the housing/recruiting cash will be loudly marketed. It all comes down to him enjoying CNY as his final coaching destination.

Well, yes, they are.

 

[CuseOnly]

once you start the escalation its hard to go back.. you pay Dino 4 Mill it will be 5 pretty soon if he does anything and if he stays 10 yrs are we gonna turn around and pay the next guy 2? if Dino does great then we are locked into an arms race at that point..

i think the discussion is all the other stuff and not just the money for him.. he already repeated over and over he turned down more money to come here.. pay him what he needs to compete and give him the resources to do all the little things and then give him solid money and I think he will be happy. Hopefully some JB rubs off on him and you dont need to making top dollar to be happy.

You are failing to realize we are in an arms race already, with every other school that is willing to pay him.

It's not hard to figure out what his market is and pay him to stay.

What he is worth as a coach doesn't change because you aren't willing to pay him. He can just leave to go somewhere that will pay.

Would you take less at a job just because they won't pay or would you go to do the same job elsewhere that would pay 40% more.

I know I would...

 

[phil77]

Why should there be academic side concerns about football using its ACC money, ACCN money and Nike deal money as they see fit? Who cares if they give Dino 8 mil per as long as the department will operate in the black?

 

[elimunelson]

You are failing to realize we are in an arms race already, with every other school that is willing to pay him.

It's not hard to figure out what his market is and pay him to stay.

What he is worth as a coach doesn't change because you aren't willing to pay him. He can just leave to go somewhere that will pay.

Would you take less at a job just because they won't pay or would you go to do the same job elsewhere that would pay 40% more.

I know I would...

It all depends on happiness and comfort. Jim Boeheim stayed 40 years and could have been paid more by Ohio St decades ago. It all comes down to what is your ultimate goal and can u accomplish here and live comfortably.

We have never heard Boeheims contract discussed publically b/c he’s happy and has figured out a way to make both sides happy w a deal.

 

[RF2044]

So, there are lots of factors in play.

#1 is salary. #2 is money for ACs / staff. #3 is the Dome renovations. #4 is housing.

The on-the-field results speak for themselves. Babers proved that we can compete with the best teams in the conference, including a team that has been in the college football playoffs the past three seasons. We aren't even close to being optimized from a personnel perspective, although the work Babers and staff have done turning over a subpar roster is incredibly impressive in such a short span of time. We're on the cusp of this program being a perennial top 25 squad, with perhaps higher upside.

Heck, we're only a handful of plays away from being 11-1. Coulda-shoulda-woulda... but Babers has proven that he can win at a high level here.

So -- in terms of the above, we know that the Dome renovations begin in 2020. I'm sure that the AD is all over #1 and #2 above. This isn't the past -- we're earning ACC revenues, the athletic department is running in the black, and being able to pack the Dome [which should be more likely moving forward, no that the community and casual fanbase sees the product on the field] should help with revenues, as well. I don't think that opening the coffers will be as challenging as much as it has been in the past.

I trust Wildhack's business / leadership acumen, and know that he isn't going to be outdone. We're in good hands, he'll take care of Dino and staff.

 

[phil77]

It all depends on happiness and comfort. Jim Boeheim stayed 40 years and could have been paid more by Ohio St decades ago. It all comes down to what is your ultimate goal and can u accomplish here and live comfortably.

We have never heard Boeheims contract discussed publically b/c he’s happy and has figured out a way to make both sides happy w a deal.

Boeheim is an outlier not the norm.

 

[rrlbees]

Of course. Im not suggesting that we go crazy but just like the stadium improvements SU has the resources if it decides any investment is in its best interest.

The stadium has donations. Just like pretty much every facility on campus. The veterans building. The Arch. The IPF. The Melo center. Everything relies on donations. Some things more than others.

 

[rrlbees]

They gave loan and I said they could be paid back for the loan with interest.
They deserve none of the TV money.
Zero. Nada. Cero.
Those departments being made whole with interest is all they deserve.

You think so?

 

[RF2044]

The stadium has donations. Just like pretty much every facility on campus. The veterans building. The Arch. The IPF. The Melo center. Everything relies on donations. Some things more than others.

Which highlights the importance of donations -- if our fanbase wants to effect change, then they need to pony up to help accelerate some of the capital improvements. Anything / everything helps.

Time to quit talking about it and go do it. It all adds up.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Boeheim is an outlier not the norm.

Yep. And we are going to have to pay top dollar in about 4 or 5 years to stay elite there too.

 

[rrlbees]

4 years is too short

It’s an extension not a new contract. A 4 year extension this year would put him under contract for 7 more years.

 

[OrangeDW]

Boeheim is an outlier not the norm.

I like to think Dino does his own thing too.

 

[RF2044]

Yep. And we are going to have to pay top dollar in about 4 or 5 years to stay elite there too.

Agreed. This isn't information that everybody doesn't know, but Boeheim loves CNY, and he also hasn't been concerned about maximizing his salary. He's gotten supplemented by Nike money for decades, and has used it to take care of his assistant coaches. Given the on-court performance, Boeheim could have commanded a lot more $$$ if he'd chosen to. Instead, he recognized that he was making a ton of loot relative to CNY's cost of living, and he hasn't been greedy. Please note, that I am not knocking "greed" -- if you're that good, you deserve to command market value. Boeheim has been the rare case where he's satisfied with his salary because he's making a ton for where he lives. His salary wouldn't stretch nearly as far in other, more expensive parts of the country.

 

[jgeorge322]

It’s an extension not a new contract. A 4 year extension this year would put him under contract for 7 more years.

so youre suggesting giving him a raise after three more seasons?

 

[rrlbees]

Yep. And we are going to have to pay top dollar in about 4 or 5 years to stay elite there too.

I don’t think GMacs going to require top dollar.

 

[CuseOnly]

It all depends on happiness and comfort. Jim Boeheim stayed 40 years and could have been paid more by Ohio St decades ago. It all comes down to what is your ultimate goal and can u accomplish here and live comfortably.

We have never heard Boeheims contract discussed publically b/c he’s happy and has figured out a way to make both sides happy w a deal.

James Arthur Boeheim is unique. Name me another coach that has had the same type of career.

He is not the flag you plant as he is the outlier of all outliers.

 

[TheCusian]

Louisville will pay him triple of what SU is paying him.

6M?! Nope

 

[rrlbees]

so youre suggesting giving him a raise after three more seasons?

I’m sure his current contract contains escalations too. He gets a raise every year. And who knows, maybe negotiations for the extension includes bumping those raises in the current contract. Or maybe the extension includes a bonus to be paid now instead of increasing the raises in the current contract. We’re getting in the weeds. I have no doubt Wildhack knows what he is doing and I know that he and Babers talk constantly and are on the same page as to what he and the program needs.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You realize that money isnt just earmarked for athletics, there's a lot of hands in the jar so to speak. Were not Alabama or A&M where sports come first unfortunately.

That's not unfortunate.

 

[jgeorge322]

I’m sure his current contract contains escalations too. He gets a raise every year. And who knows, maybe negotiations for the extension includes bumping those raises in the current contract. Or maybe the extension includes a bonus to be paid now instead of increasing the raises in the current contract. We’re getting in the weeds. I have no doubt Wildhack knows what he is doing and I know that he and Babers talk constantly and are on the same page as to what he and the program needs.

i agree but your numeric suggestions earlier in the thread aren't realistic then, and IMHO, they are low. i think we need to draw up a new contract for 10 years, $4M plus per.

 

[CuseOnly]

That's not unfortunate.

It is when you want to compete at this highest level.

If you don't, then I agree with you.

Just shut it down then.

 

[Cuse69]

How is one dept fine financially vs another. Are they selling T-shirt’s at Newhouse? Isn’t the entire operation a non profit show? The school charges a ton for sure and those academic schools need to be supported.

I think we look at higher learning completely different. I rather my school higher ranked academically than athletically. Having both occur will be a fantastic development which i think we can achieve but the school becomes so much more if it is a top 40 institution again and relevant in football/basketball. Paying Dino a slight uptick along w him getting the things that will make the program better, sign me up. If he’s buying in, the money will quietly get squared away and the housing/recruiting cash will be loudly marketed. It all comes down to him enjoying CNY as his final coaching destination.

It's not Dino's job to buy in and do what helps the school, he's the football coach, I can tell you if someone comes into my work tomorrow and offers to triple my salary give me a housing and car allowance, and a nicer office I would take it and so would most people. I don't see these professors who get we can't fire and are way over paid taking pay cuts.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It is when you want to compete at this highest level.

If you don't, then I agree with you.

Just shut it down then.

This is insane.

Really think about what you're saying.

 

[blust2i3d4]

Does SU athletics department want to gamble? It could be Dino is that good. But it could also be that Dungey is that good and Dino is just riding him. We can know for sure only next year but we have to bet very soon.

 

[CuseOnly]

This is insane.

Really think about what you're saying.

If you don't want to run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

If you want to run with the small dogs, drop to FCS.

If you want to run with the big dogs and just come in last, keep doing what you are doing.