Too Full of Themselves....

[newmexicuse]

I only saw the second half of the Marshall game on videostream.

During the time that I watched, Marshall outworked us and outplayed us. They wanted it badly.

The only thing that saved us was that they couldn't hit a trey until too late, and of course, that is also what made the score close at the end.

Forget them, I am only concerned with us. I saw a team that wasn't aggressive or working hard. I saw a team that let a lesser team bully them on the glass. I saw a team that had a lead and played without respect that the opponent could possibly make a comeback rather than wanting to play hard and really put the game out of reach.

I saw a team that either needs to change it's mindset or else this team will blow a gimme game where it had a 15 plus point lead before this season is out, probably to a midpack opponent.

 

[SkanSU]

You missed the best part of the game ... the first half ... relatively speaking.

 

[stuckinbig11]

You missed a team that was stealing the ball nearly any time they wanted to. You missed a team that did not allow Marshall to get a decent shot. You also missed a team whose layups were not falling. Otherwise, it would have been a blowout.

 

[newmexicuse]

You missed a team that was stealing the ball nearly any time they wanted to. You missed a team that did not allow Marshall to get a decent shot. You also missed a team whose layups were not falling. Otherwise, it would have been a blowout.

I hate to say it, but if you think the steals will be coming that easily against BE PGs you will be in for a rude awakening.

Yes, our D won that game and our D will win many other games, but a complete D requires more than contesting shots, it requires ending their possession. I saw a team that played an incomplete D.

 

[stuckinbig11]

I hate to say it, but if you think the steals will be coming that easily against BE PGs you will be in for a rude awakening.

Yes, our D won that game and our D will win many other games, but a complete D requires more than contesting shots, it requires ending their possession. I saw a team that played an incomplete D.

"You missed a team that was stealing the ball nearly any time they wanted to."

 

[newmexicuse]

"You missed a team that was stealing the ball nearly any time they wanted to."

Wow, everybody disagreeing with me. Are you guys trying to say that you were satisfied that the #3 team in the nation won by six against a mid-major ?

I'm not...!!!!

Sorry, in the BE almost any win is a good win. In the non-conference, statements need to be made. I didn't like the statements I got from this game.

Just remember this thread when somewher down the road we blow a 15 point second half lead against a midpack BE team & everybody is wondering What happened.

Mark my words...no killer attititude will equal at leat one of those losses before the season is out.

 

[Guinness]

Marshall is a decent team who played very hard and had something to say about not being blown out. Sometimes you just have to give the other guy credit.

 

[Dcuse]

Wow, everybody disagreeing with me. Are you guys trying to say that you were satisfied that the #3 team in the nation won by six against a mid-major ?

I'm not...!!!!

Sorry, in the BE almost any win is a good win. In the non-conference, statements need to be made. I didn't like the statements I got from this game.

Just remember this thread when somewher down the road we blow a 15 point second half lead against a midpack BE team & everybody is wondering What happened.

Mark my words...no killer attititude will equal at leat one of those losses before the season is out.

NMCuse,you need to settle down. Ugly game?yes.Please stop with the mid-major baloney. They have been beating high level teams a lot more in the past few years. The Tar Heels just lost by 10 to a less than stellar UNLV team. We are shooting horridly the last few games and still winning against good teams.
It's all about perspective.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I hate to say it, but if you think the steals will be coming that easily against BE PGs you will be in for a rude awakening.

NMCuse, we just did exactly that against the best backcourt in the nation. Like 6 days ago. So yes, I think they will be able to turn over Providence, St. Johns, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, et al. The team has some time to work on their issues, 90% of which reside in the half court offense. The defense has shown it will keep us in any game no matter the opponent and no matter how poorly we play on O. That is something most teams would kill to have.

 

[arbitragegls]

...point taken...it could have been a blow out...eg Triche missed three bunnies, Waiters missed, KJ missed...point blank that if fallen would have give 'Cuse 10 points or more instead of lost rebounds...more importantly, the defense is doing its job...shutting down 3 pt scoring...getting TOs...the more critical aspect of game we need to work on follows:

1. Getting into a flow on half court
--Scoop and KJ dribble too much...shot clock winds down to 5 seconds and a shot has to be taken...not good
2. --no inside-out game to speak of...bigs are not passed to in the half court...maybe they cannot score but we will not know until a big gets touches in the paint at least 1 out of 4 times down the floor...may even get them into game more
3. If Scoop continues to miss FTs he cannot be in game at end...particularly when you have Triche inbounding the ball or running long...Triche is an 80+% FT shooter...why isnt the ball going to him
--Scoop does like to get fouled in closeout situations...I think more for easy attempts at points than winning the game--Triche should get the ball and if not Triche than Waiters and KJ...or Fair...but not Scoop

 

[mark79]

...point taken...it could have been a blow out...eg Triche missed three bunnies, Waiters missed, KJ missed...point blank that if fallen would have give 'Cuse 10 points or more instead of lost rebounds...more importantly, the defense is doing its job...shutting down 3 pt scoring...getting TOs...the more critical aspect of game we need to work on follows:

1. Getting into a flow on half court
--Scoop and KJ dribble too much...shot clock winds down to 5 seconds and a shot has to be taken...not good
2. --no inside-out game to speak of...bigs are not passed to in the half court...maybe they cannot score but we will not know until a big gets touches in the paint at least 1 out of 4 times down the floor...may even get them into game more
3. If Scoop continues to miss FTs he cannot be in game at end...particularly when you have Triche inbounding the ball or running long...Triche is an 80+% FT shooter...why isnt the ball going to him
--Scoop does like to get fouled in closeout situations...I think more for easy attempts at points than winning the game--Triche should get the ball and if not Triche than Waiters and KJ...or Fair...but not Scoop

Great post. Agree with all of it. You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Alcuse01]

Wow, everybody disagreeing with me. Are you guys trying to say that you were satisfied that the #3 team in the nation won by six against a mid-major ?

I'm not...!!!!

Sorry, in the BE almost any win is a good win. In the non-conference, statements need to be made. I didn't like the statements I got from this game.

Just remember this thread when somewher down the road we blow a 15 point second half lead against a midpack BE team & everybody is wondering What happened.

Mark my words...no killer attititude will equal at leat one of those losses before the season is out.

Not true -- statements don't need to be made... the only statement that could be made would be if we lost. But we didn't -- we won. And when our resume is reviewed, this will come up as a win.. not a 6pt ugly win

 

[Alcuse01]

I hate to say it, but if you think the steals will be coming that easily against BE PGs you will be in for a rude awakening.

Yes, our D won that game and our D will win many other games, but a complete D requires more than contesting shots, it requires ending their possession. I saw a team that played an incomplete D.

They're not just getting a bunch of steals, they're #1 in the nation. Don't discredit what they've done so far b/c it's not the all mighty BE... We are very very tall and long.. yes the steals will continue.

 

[Guinness]

2. --no inside-out game to speak of...bigs are not passed to in the half court...maybe they cannot score but we will not know until a big gets touches in the paint at least 1 out of 4 times down the floor...may even get them into game more

By far this is the most concerning thing to me. The thing I don't get is the few times I have seen Fab get the ball in decent position he has done good things. Not sure why they are not feeding the ball into the post more often.

 

[EastBayCuse]

I only saw the second half of the Marshall game on videostream.

During the time that I watched, Marshall outworked us and outplayed us. They wanted it badly.

The only thing that saved us was that they couldn't hit a trey until too late, and of course, that is also what made the score close at the end.

Forget them, I am only concerned with us. I saw a team that wasn't aggressive or working hard. I saw a team that let a lesser team bully them on the glass. I saw a team that had a lead and played without respect that the opponent could possibly make a comeback rather than wanting to play hard and really put the game out of reach.

I saw a team that either needs to change it's mindset or else this team will blow a gimme game where it had a 15 plus point lead before this season is out, probably to a midpack opponent.

NM Cuse, I share your concern. Looked to me like 'Cuse spent the last 10 minutes of the game coasting and it almost cost them. But, I don't think that will happen when they play higher ranked opponents.

 

[orangefan13]

Totally disagree...
We were up double digits practicallly the entire second half. I think it hit 9 once
Until the 3 minute mark. At that point our guard defense backed off the extended zone some and marshall finally knocked down a few threes.

I will have to watch it again but if my memory serves me right that was the case.

 

[Gotothehole]

Did i miss something? I thought we won the game

 

[newmexicuse]

I am way out-voted with this thread.

Sorry, we can go up to 10 deep. No excuse to coast & not have 5 guys on the floor at any time that aren't busting it 110% at least prior to true garbage time. Yes, we were in control, but we never put the game out of reach.

Check scores of prior seasons. Many, many times What losses have been preceded by less than stellar wins.

Make any excuses or rationalizations that you want, but in my book - no excuse for less than 100%, especially with a deep roster.

Just sayin what I saw. If anybody believes our guys were busting it in the second half, I would be interested to hear that opinion.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Wow, everybody disagreeing with me. Are you guys trying to say that you were satisfied that the #3 team in the nation won by six against a mid-major ?

I'm not...!!!!

Sorry, in the BE almost any win is a good win. In the non-conference, statements need to be made. I didn't like the statements I got from this game.

Just remember this thread when somewher down the road we blow a 15 point second half lead against a midpack BE team & everybody is wondering What happened.

Mark my words...no killer attititude will equal at leat one of those losses before the season is out.

I agree with you. Some of the decisions by the Marshall guards were HORRIBLE decisions and passes. Lots of gifts. Marshall really takes it to us if they hit some shots. We have to improve the offense and rebound better. Both concerns of JB and any sane fan.

 

[Alcuse01]

I am way out-voted with this thread.

Sorry, we can go up to 10 deep. No excuse to coast & not have 5 guys on the floor at any time that aren't busting it 110% at least prior to true garbage time. Yes, we were in control, but we never put the game out of reach.

Check scores of prior seasons. Many, many times What losses have been preceded by less than stellar wins.

Make any excuses or rationalizations that you want, but in my book - no excuse for less than 100%, especially with a deep roster.

Just sayin what I saw. If anybody believes our guys were busting it in the second half, I would be interested to hear that opinion.

OK I agree that they didn't look like 100% in the 2nd..or near the end of the game. but they were up big, and maybe the "tweak" or whatever it was from Brandon caused them to play a bit cautions b/c they were up big. But regardless, the game was never in doubt. It was just one of those ... ehh .. games, where even those in the crowd were just spacing through it.

 

[Moontan]

NMCuse, you're absolutely right.

I suggest you contact TGD & TWO and tell them to fire the coach. Oh... and tell them to restore the blue curtain while you're at it.

 

[orangefan13]

I don't think it is mental or attitude. Nor has it been the last few games.
They just need some work.

But not only do they need work we could use some of our younger guys to step up more as the season goes along.

 

[CorduroyG]

I am way out-voted with this thread.

Sorry, we can go up to 10 deep. No excuse to coast & not have 5 guys on the floor at any time that aren't busting it 110% at least prior to true garbage time. Yes, we were in control, but we never put the game out of reach.

Check scores of prior seasons. Many, many times What losses have been preceded by less than stellar wins.

Make any excuses or rationalizations that you want, but in my book - no excuse for less than 100%, especially with a deep roster.

Just sayin what I saw. If anybody believes our guys were busting it in the second half, I would be interested to hear that opinion.

Nobody is denying that they coasted most of the 2nd half, but that game was NEVER in doubt. The crowd knew it, syracuse players and coaches knew it, us watching it on tv knew it. Credit marshall for continuing to play hard, they could have easily rolled over in the 2nd half but they didnt. But its not fair to think we can plays balls to the wall 110% every nite, these are college kids not robots.They were coming off a big time top 10 win, they knew after the 1st half marshall couldnt hang with them, a lethargic 2nd half isnt all that surprising. Theyve destroyed most of the cupcakes theyve played this year, and marshall isnt exactly a cupcake.

 

[Madbiker]

Yes we missed a lot of bunnies and didn't shoot well from the perimeter. Bad shooting games happen. But I'm much more concerned about SU getting manhandled on the boards by team that played 3 guards with a bruising PF and mediocre center. We have the same problem as last year, it just took until the Marshall game to show up. This was the first strong rebounding team we played. We play 2 small forwards...KJ and CJ. Our next forward off the bench is Southerland who is also a "3". We are small and not physical with those lineups...especially when Fab goes out and gets replaced by Keita. Xmas helps our size and rebounding but he can't and won't stay on the court for many minutes because we struggle to score in a half court set and he provides no offensive capability. The rebounding problem will show up when we play physical teams like Pitt, UConn, Marquette, etc. I'm hoping Xmas keeps developing during the season. Baring that, we will need to shoot a lot better to offset the rebounding problem. I'm not down on the team. This is going to be a fun year and a pretty successful one. Just realistic about some of our weaknesses.

 

[AZOrange]

By far this is the most concerning thing to me. The thing I don't get is the few times I have seen Fab get the ball in decent position he has done good things. Not sure why they are not feeding the ball into the post more often.

Absolutely. Melo has game. Feed him! (although we are generally not a team that has routinely fed the post year to year).