Triche must be hurt

[Cuse4]

Thought you mentioned turnovers.

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I did, Triche is not as reliable with the ball... I haven't looked at the stats, but if SJ and DW have more TO's than Triche, it's cause they are going to the hoop and trying to create more

 

[rrlbees]

So I guess you'd rather have MCW and BT closing games out?

Triche and Waiters.

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[OrangeMuskyFish]

I honestly think jb wants to keep peace.

IMHO... this.

In fact, I am going to make a prediction. I believe JB has his plan in place. This is an emotional team, which is great when things are good, and awful when things are bad. Coach is going to keep things as even as he can for as long as he can. By the end of the year though, MCW is playing more than Scoop.

 

[Cuse_MN]

>> That makes sense since MCW and BT have the better ass't/to ratio. >>

Not after this game they don't, Scoop has a better a/to ratio than BT by a slim margin now.

 

[Garbs]

And then the lead shrunk to 7 while he was still in there.

He scored 2 points in the last 7 minutes he played. He wasn't exactly taken out mid hot streak. He was taken out when he probably could have used a breather, and after a couple minutes it was pretty much a moot point because it was a 10+ point game most of the rest of the way.

exactly, he cooled off and then made that bone head pass and JB went with Scoop and Dion for the rest of the game

 

[arbitragegls]

You don't take a guy out who hits 3 straight 3's and then goes coast to coast for a layup unless he was hurting when he fell after the layup. If he wasn't hurt, there was no good reason to take him out, not while on fire.

+1 and then another +1

 

[rrlbees]

exactly, he cooled off and then made that bone head pass and JB went with Scoop and Dion for the rest of the game

he cooled off? the only shot he took after the three 3's was the coast to coast layup. he never saw the ball again in a position to shoot after making 3 in a row.

 

[General20]

Does every discussion of Triche have to devolve into who is better Triche/Scoop/Waiters?

I'd really just like to know if Triche is healthy. I saw on highlights this morning that he walked off the bench at the end of the game and gave interviews, so maybe he wasn't hurt or maybe he just had a cramp or something.

As far as who's better between the three? Triche had a really good game and his shot seems to be in top form right now. I think his game will take another step up once his hand is fully healed (remember, unlike Waiters, Triche hurt his shooting hand). But Scoop and Waiters area both really good too. We have three really good guards, and a fourth who's only weakness seems to be that he has to sit behind three really good guards. This is a great, not good, thing for SU. Lets enjoy it.

 

[twinight]

he cooled off? the only shot he took after the three 3's was the coast to coast layup. he never saw the ball again in a position to shoot after making 3 in a row.

Yes, making one basket in 7 minutes is cooling off. He became much less aggressive on the offensive end. Maybe Boeheim decided to rest him because he thought he was tired, or maybe he was trying to send a message that if he's not going to be aggressive then he's not going to be out on the floor. Or maybe, as I said, he had played the first 12 minutes of the half and had earned a rest, and then a few minutes later it didn't really matter who was on the floor because the game wasn't really in question.

Triche is, in my opinion, at worst, our second best guard. So this is no knock against him. He had a really great 2-minute run in the second half, but I'm not sure that means he has to play every minute of the rest of the game. What if he had continued to cool off and not scored the rest of the half?

When he left the game we were up 9. We won by 14. What metric would you like to use to tell me that sitting him was a mistake? Your gut feeling?

 

[armory]

Triche was noticeably tired, you sub people when they're tired. Not rocket science.

 

[rrlbees]

Yes, making one basket in 7 minutes is cooling off. He became much less aggressive on the offensive end. Maybe Boeheim decided to rest him because he thought he was tired, or maybe he was trying to send a message that if he's not going to be aggressive then he's not going to be out on the floor. Or maybe, as I said, he had played the first 12 minutes of the half and had earned a rest, and then a few minutes later it didn't really matter who was on the floor because the game wasn't really in question.

Triche is, in my opinion, at worst, our second best guard. So this is no knock against him. He had a really great 2-minute run in the second half, but I'm not sure that means he has to play every minute of the rest of the game. What if he had continued to cool off and not scored the rest of the half?

When he left the game we were up 9. We won by 14. What metric would you like to use to tell me that sitting him was a mistake? Your gut feeling?

I don't think anyone said taking him out was a "mistake". The question was why did he get taken out. We were going to win with him in or out. I think a couple other people hit the nail on the head.

 

[OttoMets]

exactly, he cooled off and then made that bone head pass and JB went with Scoop and Dion for the rest of the game

I think this is it (plus the fact that Triche was due for a breather).

That turnover happened right in front of our bench and Boeheim flipped.

 

[SUFan44]

I don't think anyone said taking him out was a "mistake". The question was why did he get taken out. We were going to win with him in or out. I think a couple other people hit the nail on the head.

Do you think Brandon is getting a raw deal?

 

[RF2044]

Does every discussion of Triche have to devolve into who is better Triche/Scoop/Waiters?

I'd really just like to know if Triche is healthy. I saw on highlights this morning that he walked off the bench at the end of the game and gave interviews, so maybe he wasn't hurt or maybe he just had a cramp or something.

As far as who's better between the three? Triche had a really good game and his shot seems to be in top form right now. I think his game will take another step up once his hand is fully healed (remember, unlike Waiters, Triche hurt his shooting hand). But Scoop and Waiters area both really good too. We have three really good guards, and a fourth who's only weakness seems to be that he has to sit behind three really good guards. This is a great, not good, thing for SU. Lets enjoy it.

Agree 100%. At the beginning of the year, Scoop sat at the end of some games, and this message board went off the deep end trying to attach cosmic significance to what it meant. Bottom line: we've got a team full of capable players, and JB is going to make in-game decisions based upon who has the hot hand, who's playing better at any particular time, etc. Other factors might be relevant too. Maybe Triche is still sporting an injured hand. Or maybe not. Scoop did have a double double yesterday [with 11 assists]--he played great.

Hell, all four of the guards played great yesterday.

At some point, some people will just have to accept that minutes don't particularly matter. We've got two solid full units, and only five can be on the floor at the end of games. The team seems cool with it, and they're winning.

 

[orangecuse]

Yes, making one basket in 7 minutes is cooling off. He became much less aggressive on the offensive end. Maybe Boeheim decided to rest him because he thought he was tired, or maybe he was trying to send a message that if he's not going to be aggressive then he's not going to be out on the floor. Or maybe, as I said, he had played the first 12 minutes of the half and had earned a rest, and then a few minutes later it didn't really matter who was on the floor because the game wasn't really in question.

Triche is, in my opinion, at worst, our second best guard. So this is no knock against him. He had a really great 2-minute run in the second half, but I'm not sure that means he has to play every minute of the rest of the game. What if he had continued to cool off and not scored the rest of the half?

When he left the game we were up 9. We won by 14. What metric would you like to use to tell me that sitting him was a mistake? Your gut feeling?

Your initial post and this subsequent one, imo, is by far the most observant and noteworthy in this entire thread.

 

[dollarbill44]

He wasn't hurt... ya BT hit huge shots, but JB feels more comfortable with DW and Scoop on the court when it matters... Less chance of a turnover with DW and SJ... We'll see this all year when it's close at the end from now on, book it

Not last night, as far as TOs. DW made some poor decisions with the ball, for instance, his low-trajectory skip pass that led to a breakout dunk-the one where the guy came down funny- that briefly gave Providence some momentum, cutting the lead to 6 or 7.

I just think it was the way things went, not an injury.

 

[cuseincincy]

Some of you guys make this sound like a great conspiracy. Triche was rotated out. Wasn't injured. Scoop, despite appearances, was good Scoop last night. 10 pts, 11 assists, 1 TO. Arguably his stats were more deserving of player of the game than Triche. Triche got hot for a couple of minutes, extended the lead out to a comfortable 14 and then was done. No conspiracy. No issues. Just another night for the #1 ranked team in the country with a deep team.

 

[CorduroyG]

Some of you guys make this sound like a great conspiracy. Triche was rotated out. Wasn't injured. Scoop, despite appearances, was good Scoop last night. 10 pts, 11 assists, 1 TO. Arguably his stats were more deserving of player of the game than Triche. Triche got hot for a couple of minutes, extended the lead out to a comfortable 14 and then was done. No conspiracy. No issues. Just another night for the #1 ranked team in the country with a deep team.

Triche was more than hot, he was on fire. Hes the reason this game went from way too close for comfort to this game is over. My issue is THIS IS HOW WE ALL WANT TRICHE TO PLAY!! JB TOO!! He has the potential to play like this almost every game, aggressive, confident. We always hear JB say triche doesnt know how good he can be. So hes finally playing like that and jb takes him out and never puts him back in?? Sure he probably needed a breather, but to never put him back in the game? Thats what i dont get, hes finally having a breakout game and he rides the pine the last 8 minutes. I know scoop was fine, i know the game was never in doubt, for me its just all about triche's confidence and when hes having a game like that to let him run with it.

 

[CusefanATL]

Triche and Fair were both Awesome tonight. In my mind Both get co players of the game.

I dont know i would say triche was awesome tonight... he did hit 3 HUGE 3's...

but other than that 1 min stretch, i thought he was very average. Had a few bad to's. We were at a bar and most people were complaining about him until he exploded for those 3's in the 2nd half.

 

[jsshap]

Agree 100%. At the beginning of the year, Scoop sat at the end of some games, and this message board went off the deep end trying to attach cosmic significance to what it meant. Bottom line: we've got a team full of capable players, and JB is going to make in-game decisions based upon who has the hot hand, who's playing better at any particular time, etc. Other factors might be relevant too. Maybe Triche is still sporting an injured hand. Or maybe not. Scoop did have a double double yesterday [with 11 assists]--he played great.

Hell, all four of the guards played great yesterday.

At some point, some people will just have to accept that minutes don't particularly matter. We've got two solid full units, and only five can be on the floor at the end of games. The team seems cool with it, and they're winning.

Yes, and the coaching mentality seems to be (not surprisingly)...if what is on the floor is working dont change it unless there is a need (ie breather, foul trouble, or injury), as its been going things are often "going well." As a result players have seen sustained time on the bench, longer than you would expect. This is especially true for the guards, who seem to be in more of a "flow of the game" type rotation and the bigs. For example, I think Waiters sat for first 7 or 8 minutes of the second half, whereas if SU had not been stretching the lead, he probably comes in 3-5 minutes into the half. Unless he was hurt, it seems the same reasoning followed for keeping Triche out for such a long period, SU was keeping the game in hand and Waiters and Jardine were both playing well.

Other random thoughts: 1. This team really looks better when Triche is playing and shooting well. It was great to see his second half. I wish at times he would be a bit more animated and seem to be enjoying himself out there more, but I guess that is just his demeanor.
2. The Keita injury may be a blessing in that it is really helpful to see Christmas get more extended minutes, for this year and next year.
3. As good as Josh Pace was, he is looking more and more like a poor man's CJ Fair. In my view, Fair is, at worst, SU's 4th most valuable player (defined as the player SU could least afford to lose to injury).

 

[cuseincincy]

In my view, Fair is, at worst, SU's 4th most valuable player (defined as the player SU could least afford to lose to injury).

Assuming 1,2 and 3 are Melo, KJo and Waiters (not in order) I would agree.

 

[CusefanATL]

Yeah... if im not mistaken Dion rode the pine for the first 6 or 7 min...

Triche has a layup with 8:55 to go.

So theoretically they just switched spots.

 

[CusefanATL]

Assuming 1,2 and 3 are Melo, KJo and Waiters (not in order) I would agree.

I would actually say its that order...

not saying who the best player on the team is - just who we can least afford to get hurt.

 

[JoeSU]

It's not about who is playing well on a given night.
The 5 guys JB has on the floor at any time in the game are generally going to be the ones whose skill set is best suited to the particular situation.

 

[TinyManInside]

I think it was the right decision. Jardine played GREAT yesterday - he was in control and made the right pass time after time, and you want Waiters on the floor because of his ability to make the 'run-stopping' play (e.g. that beautiful high-off-the-glass layup after Providence had cut it to 7). Triche had a great second half, but he looked gassed when he came out (probably why he made that horrible turnover right before he got pulled). The threes were great but really his most encouraging play to me was his coast-to-coast.

Ultimately I just felt like JB knew that SJ and DW had things under control and didn't want to mess with it. Simple as that. There were other games this year when the closing combo was DW and BT, and there will be times when it is SJ and BT.

This is the benefit of depth, and is surely something that we, as diehard SU fans used to 7 man rotations, are having trouble adapting to.

Mason