UNC Post Game

[hoopsupstate]

The more and more losing we do the harder and harder it is going to be to bring top-level talent in via the portal.

$$$$$$$

 

[Red2003]

I canceled my live TV subscription (YTT) because this team/coach is not enjoyable to watch. I only see highlights if anything.

Haha. I turned on Sling for ACCN in November and immediately canceled.

 

[orange79]

Cuffe, my fave, had regressed horribly since he put up big numbers around the ND game.
He was playing well so of course Red drastically cut his minutes down.

Let's be fair.

After the ND game, he went 5-22 in the next 5 games. I don't care how bad a coach you think Red is, it's hard to see anything in those stats that say, "Hmmm. 0 needs more minutes."

 

[Irishsecra1]

Cuffe has great energy, but he plays totally out of control and lacks scoring skills.

This was not a great game by Cuffe but he only played 8 minutes.
Hardly the reason we lost.
Frankly it kind of pisses me off that he singled him out for blame
Seriously, considering how little he has played in weeks, why was he even on the court in that critical stretch.
Cuffe and Moore have been so marginalized by this coach for weeks I don’t see how you can truly depend on them in key moments.
Cuffe has regressed and now plays wild.
Moore has regressed and clearly is afraid to do the wrong thing.
The differences in both since ND are stark.
Both should transfer out of here ASAP

 

[hoopsupstate]

Since nothing has clicked I'd like to see this experimentation in a 23 zone.

Starling
Moore
Davis
Lampkin
MacLeod

I hope you’re kidding?

 

[Red2003]

would be good and easy move. he would hop here over any other school in an instant.

People will still scream about cheaping out with a head coach. Wait until he loses a few games. Why didn't we take a proven coach. What moron gave this guy a 3-4 year deal that no one else wanted. It'll be groudhog day.

Fran Brown came from Georgia where they've been cooking the books a decade. You think he didn't learn something about the Game in those years, to mention the Wire as some of you have been. You gotta take winning P4 experience

 

[xc84]

Yeah, I'm sorry but I don't buy this. Yes, AAU ball places emphasis on outscoring the opposition. But high school coaches keep their jobs by winning games, too. And that takes defense.

There's a difference in physicality and maturity of players as you move up a level. That makes you up your game defensively (or fail to up your game, as the case may be ...).

These guys were taught defense by some coach before they got to college, and they ought to understand the fundamentals before they ever get offered a college scholarship.

Defense needs to be taught in college to show you how to get leverage and maintain position against bigger guys and handle more sophisticated game plans. (Red just seems to have no idea how to coach defense at all, it's true.)

But these guys should have some idea of how to play defense before they ever get here.

I think you agree with much of what I said. I mentioned that HS coaches teach defense and also that they should know how to defend before they get to college. But I am just not sure Red can fix a player who can’t move his feet into good defensive position.

 

[Irishsecra1]

We both agree that they SHOULD be able to play D. 3 of the 4 you note are transfers so SU is not the only responsible team. I am not blaming AAU. AAU is an exposure tool but in general doesn’t care about D. Players must still learn D skills or they will end up in college with opponents blowing by them like we are seeing.

Cuffe played 6 minutes at Kansas and then was injured.
He played yo yo minutes last year and this year.
Hardly a very experienced player. Really just a soph.

 

[xc84]

Cuffe played 6 minutes at Kansas and then was injured.
He played yo yo minutes last year and this year.
Hardly a very experienced player. Really just a soph.

Cuffe hustles and relatively speaking is ok on D.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Let's be fair.

After the ND game, he went 5-22 in the next 5 games. I don't care how bad a coach you think Red is, it's hard to see anything in those stats that say, "Hmmm. 0 needs more minutes."

After the Clemson game, his minutes divebombed. Still had 9 points in that game.
And if all he was good for was offense I would agree.
But at the time he was our best defender and best foul shooter.
Some players play better offensively with a defined role.
I have no clue what Cuffes role is, or Moores for that matter.
Moore is a freshman and Cuffe is a sophomore but there is no effort to develop them.
None that I can see.

Frankly by this point in the season I should know their roles on the team
And Red should know.
i think we are at the point where Red is throwing spaghetti and meatballs at the wall and hoping it will stick.

 

[Scooch]

We both agree that they SHOULD be able to play D. 3 of the 4 you note are transfers so SU is not the only responsible team. I am not blaming AAU. AAU is an exposure tool but in general doesn’t care about D. Players must still learn D skills or they will end up in college with opponents blowing by them like we are seeing.

You said these guys should be able to play D by the time they're in college. These guys are college veterans, largely of other programs. And almost all of them stink at D here at SU.

So it seems to me that either Autry and staff (a) don't value the defensive ability of acquisitions, (b) are very bad at evaluating the defensive ability of players and/or (c) deploy a defensive scheme that makes players perform worse than their ability.

But none of that strikes me as an AAU problem specifically for the 2025 SU team.

 

[Red2003]

Cuffe hustles and relatively speaking is ok on D.

All this talk on Cuffe. Who cares? Tell me next year how he helps get us to the tournament? I see no reason for him taking up bench space.

 

[RyanCuse44]

With chance at its best win, Syracuse blew the final minute vs. North Carolina: ‘You have to do what you’re told'

The Orange hasn't beaten a major conference team with a winning record this season.

www.syracuse.com

With Syracuse trailing by four, the Orange proceeded to lose all poise and situational awareness on offense, rushing the ball up the floor and hoisting an ill-advised shot.

Cuffe, a 30% 3-point shooter who had missed his previous four shots, launched a contested 3-pointer that banged hard off the rim.

Afterward, Autry said the shot selection went against the coaching staff’s teaching points.

“We typically talk about drive the ball, drive the ball until we have to shoot a 3,” Autry said. “I’m not singling him out, but those are the type of things where you have to do what you’re told and what we’re coaching. At that point you want to put pressure on the rim.”

Hey Red, why was he out there in the first place.

 

[5OutFred]

All this talk on Cuffe. Who cares? Tell me next year how he helps get us to the tournament? I see no reason for him taking up bench space.

The ill-advised shot from Cuffe was who he has been at at this point is - a guy with moments but largely poor decision making and unimpressive skill for this level. Not a needle mover on a high major roster.

His lack of mins on this roster should tell you all you need to know.

 

[Eric15]

I know he’s a freshman, but Choppa has really fallen off a cliff. He had some really great games earlier in the season. 24 points vs. Tennessee, 19 vs. Cornell, 16 vs. Maryland.

In 9 of our last 15 games he has not scored a single point.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I’ve never seen a player get rejected as much as Cuffe. He goes to the basket and half the time he gets blocked. He plays good defense but he stood and watched when Cadeaux made that dagger layup. He was right there and offered no help. He must have learned that at Kansas. Then to make matters worse, he chucked up a contested three that wasn’t even close. He had no idea of time and score.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I know he’s a freshman, but Choppa has really fallen off a cliff. He had some really great games earlier in the season. 24 points vs. Tennessee, 19 vs. Cornell, 16 vs. Maryland.

In 9 of our last 15 games he has not scored a single point.

Choppa would be more effective if he had a quality point guard to set him up to score. We don’t have anyone to create for others. It’s killing this team. We’re not a good three point shooting team, but getting set up for wide open threes would really help us.

 

[kirbivore]

Kept ESPN on for the Texas game. Didn’t realize but Texas is 15-10. I thought they were going to be good this year and that us keeping it close against them was a highlight of the season. I guess not lol

That was their 4th quad 1 win. Sankey will get them in.

 

[5OutFred]

That's fine, but 3 of our 5 starters last night have 4+ years of college experience (Taylor, Davis, Lampkin) and another has 3 (Starling).

This is something that gets lost on a lot of fans, why the clear inability to connect with the players is so baffling. We heard the maturity and on-court issues would be solved with a roster of experienced, proven players.

If the inexperienced players "don't listen" and an entirely different roster of experienced players "don't listen" at some point it's on the teacher...

 

[CuseCPT]

Let's be fair.

After the ND game, he went 5-22 in the next 5 games. I don't care how bad a coach you think Red is, it's hard to see anything in those stats that say, "Hmmm. 0 needs more minutes."

This is true only if you think offense is all that matters.

 

[Irt4su]

The thing that bothers me most is that clearly the players had absolutely zero reaction to Autrys post Miami game speech and asking for accountability. Thats impossible for me to understand and it is the definition of why this won’t work. Time to move on now. Regardless of the aftermath.

 

[Red2003]

This is something that gets lost on a lot of fans, why the clear inability to connect with the players is so baffling. We heard the maturity and on-court issues would be solved with a roster of experienced, proven players.

If the inexperienced players "don't listen" and an entirely different roster of experienced players "don't listen" at some point it's on the teacher...

Well said. This is really worrisome.

Here's the flip side though. These experienced players don't seem to care or like the players on the court with them. Someone said somewhere, players ultimately play for each other not a 55 or 75 year old man yelling at them from the sidelines. This team is the most play for each other roster I've seen, especially on defense. Even on offense at times though with the shot selection.

There is no leader on the court. JJ I guess is the closest thing but he is just a score only guy, doesn't really seem to care about leading a team.

Hopefully next year we can dream of a roster that includes a Team Captain on it.

 

[IthacaMatt]

This is something that gets lost on a lot of fans, why the clear inability to connect with the players is so baffling. We heard the maturity and on-court issues would be solved with a roster of experienced, proven players.

If the inexperienced players "don't listen" and an entirely different roster of experienced players "don't listen" at some point it's on the teacher...

I remember a sports writer who came to practice early in the season, and was complimenting Red on how all the players greeted both Red and the writer with handshakes as they walked into the Melo Center for practice. I remember the writer talking about the good culture Red was creating with the players. How can both these things be true?

 

[Nicknack]

If anyone wonders for even a second whether Red is "the guy" to be leading this team, just listen to his analysis in the post game presser. It's all over the damn place. It's really bad. When you listen to him, then watch the team lose games like against Miami, it makes perfect sense.

Edit: I really hate saying this too because I like Red. He's one of our guys. He just shouldn't be the head coach is all.

 

[23Zone]

I know he’s a freshman, but Choppa has really fallen off a cliff. He had some really great games earlier in the season. 24 points vs. Tennessee, 19 vs. Cornell, 16 vs. Maryland.

In 9 of our last 15 games he has not scored a single point.

Less is Moore