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USA East Coast Basketball trip with Benny Williams

MikeSU02 said:
Oh, I think he’s going to ride Joe into the ground. I just think Joe will be falling off a cliff at the end of games.
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They're young men, they don't get tired.
 
kcsu said:
Unless Joe is shooting lights out he shouldn't be playing more than 30 a game.
Question, other than shooting what does Joe do well that deserves so much PT?
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Other than the most important part of the game, what does Joe do well? Is that the question? 9th in the ACC in assists. 7th in steals. 2nd in FT (ties into my first point). 14th in A/TO ratio. BTW, he was 4th in minutes per game for SU during the ACC.
If the kid wasn't local, people would love him. He will have an all time senior year, IMO.
 
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I wish we played man because I think it's likely Symir will be one of our best 5 players.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
Other than the most important part of the game, what does Joe do well? Is that the question? 9th in the ACC in assists. 7th in steals. 2nd in FT (ties into my first point). 14th in A/TO ratio. BTW, he was 4th in minutes per game for SU during the ACC.
If the kid wasn't local, people would live him. He will have an all time senior year, IMO.
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agreed he can shoot but he hasn't been anything special percentage wise. His handle is average, and he is a liability on D. Joe is a good player. Hopefully now that he gets to play his natural position, he will kill it. My point is that he shouldn't be playing more than 30 minutes a game given the players we have on this year's team.
 
kcsu said:
agreed he can shoot but he hasn't been anything special percentage wise. His handle is average, and he is a liability on D. Joe is a good player. Hopefully now that he gets to play his natural position, he will kill it. My point is that he shouldn't be playing more than 30 minutes a game given the players we have on this year's team.
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He was our best guard last year defensively. Doesn’t say a lot but better than Sy too. Just another thread that morphs into a thread belittling Joe.
 
rrlbees said:
He was our best guard last year defensively. Doesn’t say a lot but better than Sy too. Just another thread that morphs into a thread belittling Joe.
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Joe gets most of his steals next to guards like Sy who pressure the passer, allowing Joe to grab the rushed and errant pass. I’m not taking that opportunistic ability away from him. He’s got great anticipation jumping those passing lanes. But he ain’t stripping the ball from other guards, as occasionally happens to him.
 
CuseFaninVT said:
Joe gets most of his steals next to guards like Sy who pressure the passer, allowing Joe to grab the rushed and errant pass. I’m not taking that opportunistic ability away from him. He’s got great anticipation jumping those passing lanes. But he ain’t stripping the ball from other guards, as occasionally happens to him.
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Huh? How often did joe and Sy play together with Buddy getting 38mpg? Not a lot.
 
rrlbees said:
He was our best guard last year defensively. Doesn’t say a lot but better than Sy too. Just another thread that morphs into a thread belittling Joe.
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Hey now, I want to be clear, I'm not belittling Joe.

I'm belittling JB's minutes distribution.
 
kcsu said:
agreed he can shoot but he hasn't been anything special percentage wise. His handle is average, and he is a liability on D. Joe is a good player. Hopefully now that he gets to play his natural position, he will kill it. My point is that he shouldn't be playing more than 30 minutes a game given the players we have on this year's team.
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Girard shot over 40% from 3 last season, 37% against the ACC. This includes every stupid forced shot he took. He is a very good shooter, especially when he had good shot selection.
 
kcsu said:
agreed he can shoot but he hasn't been anything special percentage wise. His handle is average, and he is a liability on D. Joe is a good player. Hopefully now that he gets to play his natural position, he will kill it. My point is that he shouldn't be playing more than 30 minutes a game given the players we have on this year's team.
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Meh, I think we need to see what the new players we have on the time can do before making that claim. I think Joe at SG for 32-35 would be in line for what we need with his shooting and general skills.
 
CuseFaninVT said:
Joe gets most of his steals next to guards like Sy who pressure the passer, allowing Joe to grab the rushed and errant pass. I’m not taking that opportunistic ability away from him. He’s got great anticipation jumping those passing lanes. But he ain’t stripping the ball from other guards, as occasionally happens to him.
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Which makes the steals that much more efficient - he does it without fouling.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
6 SU players have shot over 40% from 3 in a season in the last 34 seasons and he's one of them.
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Yes, and the other 5 played on teams that had winning records.

Any conversation with the words "Joe Girard" and "defense" is completely pointless. That he was
the best defensive guard on last year's team, at least who played more than 15 mins a game, is a
joke, as who he beat was equally as bad. There was no guard who they have played over the last
few years who has said, "Oh, thank heavens they're playing zone, because I wouldn't know what to
do if Girard or Buddy was covering me." They both stink/stank/stunk at defense, and that might
have something to do with the record over the last four years having the most losses in a season
by JB and (twice) the third most. He used to value defense; shockingly, that changed with the
arrival of Buddy, at least as far as the guards went, because he still called out the Fs and Cs for
not playing enough D, not getting to the shooters, etc.

I think if he gives the same leeway to others as he's excused for Joe/Buddy, I think guys like
Benny could have good seasons. But if he's going to give carte blanche to Joe and only Joe,
there will be many who aren't pleased.

Kev
 
pwong said:
Joe gets steals because he gambles a lot in the passing lanes. He doesn’t stop the ball from going into the middle and he doesn’t affect shooters on closeouts.
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Just think how bad the others were behind him who graded worse on defense.
 
KevMonstah said:
Yes, and the other 5 played on teams that had winning records.

Any conversation with the words "Joe Girard" and "defense" is completely pointless. That he was
the best defensive guard on last year's team, at least who played more than 15 mins a game, is a
joke, as who he beat was equally as bad. There was no guard who they have played over the last
few years who has said, "Oh, thank heavens they're playing zone, because I wouldn't know what to
do if Girard or Buddy was covering me." They both stink/stank/stunk at defense, and that might
have something to do with the record over the last four years having the most losses in a season
by JB and (twice) the third most. He used to value defense; shockingly, that changed with the
arrival of Buddy, at least as far as the guards went, because he still called out the Fs and Cs for
not playing enough D, not getting to the shooters, etc.

I think if he gives the same leeway to others as he's excused for Joe/Buddy, I think guys like
Benny could have good seasons. But if he's going to give carte blanche to Joe and only Joe,
there will be many who aren't pleased.

Kev
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You're moving the goalposts. I said nothing about anything you posted. I responded to KCSU about Girard's shooting which is significantly above average for Syracuse standards.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
You're moving the goalposts. I said nothing about anything you posted. I responded to KCSU about Girard's shooting which is significantly above average for Syracuse standards.
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It was a response to more than just yours, but yours sure provided a good lead in.

I'm not going to rag more on Joe, or Buddy, I think they are both decent supporting players. They are
good-to-great shooters with flaws, and you can hide them if the team is built correctly, but last year,
coach tried to hide them with three other guys with the same skillset. I don't believe they are the type of
alpha you need to be competitive in high level hoops. They are probably fine as an alpha in a lower tier
conference. I think the impression we got going into last season is that maybe Benny could be that player,
didn't work out. Hope he gets there this year, or hope it's Mintz, or whomever, but be someone who you
can roll out who doesn't necessarily have to shoot 7-11 from deep to overcome their flaws.

KF
 
KevMonstah said:
It was a response to more than just yours, but yours sure provided a good lead in.

I'm not going to rag more on Joe, or Buddy, I think they are both decent supporting players. They are
good-to-great shooters with flaws, and you can hide them if the team is built correctly, but last year,
coach tried to hide them with three other guys with the same skillset. I don't believe they are the type of
alpha you need to be competitive in high level hoops. They are probably fine as an alpha in a lower tier
conference. I think the impression we got going into last season is that maybe Benny could be that player,
didn't work out. Hope he gets there this year, or hope it's Mintz, or whomever, but be someone who you
can roll out who doesn't necessarily have to shoot 7-11 from deep to overcome their flaws.

KF
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We will need Girard this year. He's our best shooter and I imagine no worse than our 3rd or 4th best player. I'm of the opinion that I think our 4 best guys include Symir too. It's the forwards I am most concerned about.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
We will need Girard this year. He's our best shooter and I imagine no worse than our 3rd or 4th best player. I'm of the opinion that I think our 4 best guys include Symir too. It's the forwards I am most concerned about.
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I think if he gives players a chance to play through mistakes - since they ALL are young - it will help the team grow and develop. We could be a pretty good team by the end of the year, trending upward for what comes next.

If he's pissed off all the time, yanking guys out at the first mistake and then burying them on the bench for the rest of the game, well, we're probably going to be terrible. Because they're mostly like that - inexperienced and mistake-prone.
 
IthacaMatt said:
I think if he gives players a chance to play through mistakes - since they ALL are young - it will help the team grow and develop. We could be a pretty good team by the end of the year, trending upward for what comes next.

If he's pissed off all the time, yanking guys out at the first mistake and then burying them on the bench for the rest of the game, well, we're probably going to be terrible. Because they're mostly like that - inexperienced and mistake-prone.
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The old man isn’t going to change. It will be a 7 man rotation. I expect Bunch, Benny and Taylor to take turns being JB’s whipping boys. Hima will play behind Edwards. Mintz, Girard and Edwards(barring foul trouble) will play big minutes all year. Don’t be surprised if we see Symir play the back line of the zone. It’s going to be a small team outside of Edwards. I’m not joking.
 

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