Way to go OState

[CuseTroop]

 

[OrangeMojo]

wow - kid must have had some great parenting over the years Oh Lord

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Somebody realized that if you don't go to class or turn in assignments you get a D.

 

[NineOneSeven]

He ain't come to play school and I see no problem with it.

Wait...

Perhaps he should watch the 30 for 30 BROKE and see where he stands with regards to an education.

 

[jcuse44]

is anyone surprised by this? ohio st, michigan, usc and all the sec schools have a no class policy for its athletes

 

[Chip]

I'm sure there will be some that say "the kid is right". But this whole free college degree annoyance is just a cost of doing business for these kids. It's a minor league system for football that gets national TV exposure and lets them play in front of 80,000 people. Oh and that annoying useless degree.

They could remove the college from college football, turn it into AAA football, or some similar minor league structure like MLB and NHL have. Then the kids still won't get paid much, they won't get the degree, they won't play on national TV, and they won't play in stadiums with 80,000 strong.

But at least they won't have to go to classes.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm sure there will be some that say "the kid is right". But this whole free college degree annoyance is just a cost of doing business for these kids. It's a minor league system for football that gets national TV exposure and lets them play in front of 80,000 people. Oh and that annoying useless degree.

They could remove the college from college football, turn it into AAA football, or some similar minor league structure like MLB and NHL have. Then the kids still won't get paid much, they won't get the degree, they won't play on national TV, and they won't play in stadiums with 80,000 strong.

But at least they won't have to go to classes.

There is in some ways a double standard.

There were a bunch of classes I never went to and scraped by with enough of a grade to get the credit needed for the degree.

Athletes can't get away with that, what with tutors and everything attending classes with them to guarantee they're there.

I'm not defending this kid at all. I really respect the athletes that are able to balance the commitment to their athletic obligations while also performing well as students. I couldn't have pulled it off.

 

[shandeezy7]

There is in some ways a double standard.

There were a bunch of classes I never went to and scraped by with enough of a grade to get the credit needed for the degree.

Athletes can't get away with that, what with tutors and everything attending classes with them to guarantee they're there.

I'm not defending this kid at all. I really respect the athletes that are able to balance the commitment to their athletic obligations while also performing well as students. I couldn't have pulled it off.

I guarantee you could have pulled it off, especially with all the "help" (wink wink) that these guys get.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I guarantee you could have pulled it off, especially with all the "help" (wink wink) that these guys get.

I got to know Aaron Francisco well when he played at BYU. He's probably best known professionally for being the player Harrison punched in the Super Bowl.

Anyway, that guy's a beast. Fantastic athlete, also an excellent student. Had a lot of classes with him and did some group projects with him. He was going to be successful no matter what he did. That's the kind of student-athlete I'm talking about.

A lot of student-athletes can maintain eligibility requirements. There aren't as many that have the fire to do well in their sport and in class. I didn't even have the steam to do well in classes. Thank goodness I figured some of that stuff out later.

 

[Chip]

There is in some ways a double standard.

There were a bunch of classes I never went to and scraped by with enough of a grade to get the credit needed for the degree.

Athletes can't get away with that, what with tutors and everything attending classes with them to guarantee they're there.

I'm not defending this kid at all. I really respect the athletes that are able to balance the commitment to their athletic obligations while also performing well as students. I couldn't have pulled it off.

It's definitely not easy. Packed schedule every single day. I get that. But it's what they sign up for, and those that get through it (of which there are countless examples), they are rewarded one way or another. Either play on Sunday or have a degree to take with them to continue on with the next phase of their life.

So when I hear a kid say why do I have to go to classes, I want to say you know why. College sports may be corrupt, there are a lot of people who profit greatly off of it. It sucks. But what's the alternative? The U is actually an abbreviation for something. Name a minor league system in another sport that is this glamorous.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It's definitely not easy. Packed schedule every single day. I get that. But it's what they sign up for, and those that get through it (of which there are countless examples), they are rewarded one way or another. Either play on Sunday or have a degree to take with them to continue on with the next phase of their life.

So when I hear a kid say why do I have to go to classes, I want to say you know why. College sports may be corrupt, there are a lot of people who profit greatly off of it. It sucks. But what's the alternative? The U is actually an abbreviation for something. Name a minor league system in another sport that is this glamorous.

Yeah, we're not in disagreement at all actually.

 

[SURules]

I'm sure there will be some that say "the kid is right". But this whole free college degree annoyance is just a cost of doing business for these kids. It's a minor league system for football that gets national TV exposure and lets them play in front of 80,000 people. Oh and that annoying useless degree.

This sounds like some things the FSU fans has said on their message board over the last year.

 

[orangecuse]

It's definitely not easy. Packed schedule every single day. I get that. But it's what they sign up for, and those that get through it (of which there are countless examples), they are rewarded one way or another. Either play on Sunday or have a degree to take with them to continue on with the next phase of their life.

So when I hear a kid say why do I have to go to classes, I want to say you know why. College sports may be corrupt, there are a lot of people who profit greatly off of it. It sucks. But what's the alternative? The U is actually an abbreviation for something. Name a minor league system in another sport that is this glamorous.

There are so many issues that can be (have been) discussed on this topic it could have its own category domain.

From purely a workload standpoint, it's substantially easier for kids to handle it depending on their upbringing. If you're a kid that had a lot of structure in your youth, chores, jobs, rules to abide by, high standards/expectations, etc., then I do not think it's too difficult, certainly some adjustment and adaption, but very feasible. It's the kids that haven't really had this or little structure that struggle so much more. These kids have all the resources at the fingertips so they can at least be satisfactory...realizing that most are not taking rigorous type curriculum.

 

[SU2NASA]

It's not like a degree from Ohio State has any value.

 

[Todd Gack]

It's not like a degree from Ohio State has any value.

In case you weren’t being facetious – and while it’s not a perfect measure – OSU (56) ranks higher than SU (58) in the latest U.S. News rankings.

 

[TheSpaz]

Can we remove scholar from scholarship?

 

[retro44]

In case you weren’t being facetious – and while it’s not a perfect measure – OSU (56) ranks higher than SU (58) in the latest U.S. News rankings.

who cares...what good is a no show degree

 

[PoppyHart]

There's certainly a small, though substantial, percentage of students that can achieve/excel at the collegiate level without going to classes regularly. Perhaps 10% I'd surmise, and for these individuals it sucks that they have to "take one for the team" and attend classes that don't truly enhance their intellect, as many prerequisite classes are wont to do.

 

[retro44]

"Hi I am Coach Urban Meyer and I approve of that Tweet"

 

[Geode]

who cares...what good is a no show degree

That's not what they say at UNC.

 

[PoppyHart]

who cares...what good is a no show degree

Putting sports aside, a degree is a symbol. For many of the elite colleges, it means more to employers that you were admitted than the grades you received. A 2.0 from Harvard means more than a 4.0 from many, if not most, schools in the eyes of employers, regardless of attendance figures.

 

[SU2NASA]

In case you weren’t being facetious – and while it’s not a perfect measure – OSU (56) ranks higher than SU (58) in the latest U.S. News rankings.

And yet one of the best parts of working for NASA is never having to work with anyone that went to Ohio State.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Putting sports aside, a degree is a symbol. For many of the elite colleges, it means more to employers that you were admitted than the grades you received. A 2.0 from Harvard means more than a 4.0 from many, if not most, schools in the eyes of employers, regardless of attendance figures.

To take this OT a bit - I wonder if this is a generational thing. I'm early 30s, have been doing a lot of hiring (I think I've been responsible for the hire of a dozen or so people now in the past year +) for a really explosive startup.

I look to see that applicants have a degree, because I value the experience that they had where somewhere along the line a professor didn't just accept a first draft of their work and they had to learn how to refine their end product, but I can't say the institution name has ever mattered all that much, especially come time to interview. I wouldn't go so far to say that I don't respect name brand institutions, but I could give a rat that someone excelled enough in highschool to go to a big name school. I want to know what their skills are now, and how they interact and communicate with people now. A lot of people that I've found rock school and get great grades can't really do much else besides that.

Matter of fact, previous to my hire we had contracted with a consultant out of Harvard that I was, ahem, blessed to work with for a while. For a time I may have been known around the office to have coined the phrase "dumb @ss Ivy league @ss clown" because, all honesty, his work was that bad.

\end rant

Now I'm ready for pigskin! War Damn Otto! LGO!

 

[Todd Gack]

And yet one of the best parts of working for NASA is never having to work with anyone that went to Ohio State.

Yeah, it's not like they have produced astronauts – oh, wait:

Charles Bassett
Nancy Currie
Robert Henry Lawrence
Richard Linnehan
Ronald Sega

 

[Todd Gack]

who cares...what good is a no show degree

The implication wasn’t that a no-show degree has no value, but that an OSU degree has no value – which is bunk.