"We can't handle Duke"

[realorange]

Are the players watching the pressers? Instead of motivating a player during a presser, isn't he supposed to be doing that during practice and the games? It seems that a press conference is a place for giving hinest accurate analysis of the game that just concluded. Placing an inordinate amount of blame on Jesse for losses was not accurate. The most accurate comment in most games would have been that he is one of our top two players and we need him to stay out of foul trouble so he can stay on the floor.

He didn't blame Jesse for loses, he said that if Jesse had played we could have won at VT and ND. Anyone could have noted the difference without him. It was just magnified with Duke and Williams' ability.

 

[pearl31]

He didn't blame Jesse for loses, he said that if Jesse had played we could have won at VT and ND. Anyone could have noted the difference without him. It was just magnified with Duke and Williams' ability.

I mean, we're clearly a better team with Jesse. But he would have had two fouls within the first 3 minutes last night and been a non-factor anyway.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I mean, we're clearly a better team with Jesse. But he would have had two fouls within the first 3 minutes last night and been a non-factor anyway.

With Jimmy and Cole next to him, absolutely.

And I love Cole’s hustle and intensity.

 

[realorange]

I mean, we're clearly a better team with Jesse. But he would have had two fouls within the first 3 minutes last night and been a non-factor anyway.

Maybe, but Jesse has improved in that regard by not getting ticky tack fouls. Sure Williams is the best center in the ACC but I don't believe you would have seen the attempts for dunks if Jesse had been on the floor.

 

[orangecuse]

I mean, we're clearly a better team with Jesse. But he would have had two fouls within the first 3 minutes last night and been a non-factor anyway.

Exactly.

And, who's to say that he's not in foul trouble against VT or ND even if he hadn't been injured against BC anyways? I mean, he was in deep foul trouble against BC, you know, that BC team that was playing without some key bigs at BC. He has a deep history of foul trouble/problems. So, it's just convenient to say if only we had Jesse, etc. things would have been different. Maybe? Maybe not.

 

[Sherman20]

Are the players watching the pressers? Instead of motivating a player during a presser, isn't he supposed to be doing that during practice and the games? It seems that a press conference is a place for giving hinest accurate analysis of the game that just concluded. Placing an inordinate amount of blame on Jesse for losses was not accurate. The most accurate comment in most games would have been that he is one of our top two players and we need him to stay out of foul trouble so he can stay on the floor.

I agree JB shouldn’t make these comments in the press conferences anymore. It’s a terrible look for the program and not all players will take these comments in stride. But I think Jesse is a player who understands that JB is trying to motivate him and that he wants Jesse to be the best he can be. I assume there’s conversations happening behind the scenes to that effect.

 

[rrlbees]

I mean, we're clearly a better team with Jesse. But he would have had two fouls within the first 3 minutes last night and been a non-factor anyway.

He played 31 mins the first game vs Duke and only had 3 fouls.

 

[Alsacs]

He played 31 mins the first game vs Duke and only had 3 fouls.

He got 2 fouls in the first half at 6:57 left in half.
Score was 20-15 Duke
Halftime score with Jesse sitting out the rest of the half
36-22
So 16-7 without Jesse. 7 minutes.
Second half
He got his 3rd foul at 18:03 same score 36-22
Jesse subbed out 14:56 score 47-29
Jesse back in 2 minutes later
minutes Duke ballooned the lead 58-33.

Jesse played 31 minutes well done with facts.
This information doesn’t make any point other than state he played 31 minutes. When we came back in at 14:56 the game was over. Duke didn’t try to embarrass us at Cameron.

 

[rrlbees]

He got 2 fouls in the first half at 6:57 left in half.
Score was 20-15 Duke
Halftime score with Jesse sitting out the rest of the half
36-22
So 16-7 without Jesse. 7 minutes.
Second half
He got his 3rd foul at 18:03 same score 36-22
Jesse subbed out 14:56 score 47-29
Jesse back in 2 minutes later
minutes Duke ballooned the lead 58-33.

Jesse played 31 minutes well done with facts.
This information doesn’t make any point other than state he played 31 minutes. When we came back in at 14:56 the game was over. Duke didn’t try to embarrass us at Cameron.

What are you talking about?

 

[tbonezone]

"we can't handle duke " ?
move aside. and let the man go thru. let the man go thru.

 

[sufandu]

He didn't blame Jesse for loses, he said that if Jesse had played we could have won at VT and ND. Anyone could have noted the difference without him. It was just magnified with Duke and Williams' ability.

Is that all he ever said?

 

[sufandu]

What are you talking about?

Seems like he did a good job outlining that JE's foul total didn't tell the whole story about his foul trouble that day.

 

[rrlbees]

Seems like he did a good job outlining that JE's foul total didn't tell the whole story about his foul trouble that day.

I wasn’t commenting on any foul trouble that day. So I don’t know what you’re talking about either.

 

[sufandu]

I wasn’t commenting on any foul trouble that day. So I don’t know what you’re talking about either.

Yes you did. Look at post #31 and the post you responded to.

 

[rrlbees]

Yes you did. Look at post #31 and the post you responded to.

Yea, my post was a positive one. He was able to play 31 mins and only had 3 fouls. Both good things. While it could happen any game with Jesse, just assuming he’d have 2 fouls in the first 3 mins and be a non factor isn’t fair. He had 12 pts and 9 rebs that game. And of course we were better with him on the court. The bottom line was that we have a better chance with him healthy and playing.

 

[sufandu]

Yea, my post was a positive one. He was able to play 31 mins and only had 3 fouls. Both good things. While it could happen any game with Jesse, just assuming he’d have 2 fouls in the first 3 mins and be a non factor isn’t fair. He had 12 pts and 9 rebs that game. And of course we were better with him on the court. The bottom line was that we have a better chance with him healthy and playing.

Nobody disputes that we're better with him. The post you responded to said as much. The point was he would likely have trouble staying on the floor as he did in the first game against Duke. Alsacs pointed out that his total number of fouls and minutes played didn't tell the whole story. I think that's true. Even in the second half of that game he was less aggressive in the second half after picking up foul 3, likely because it was emphasized his presence on the floor was more important than getting a attempting to make a play that could cause him to pick up a foul.

 

[rrlbees]

Nobody disputes that we're better with him. The post you responded to said as much. The point was he would likely have trouble staying on the floor as he did in the first game against Duke. Alsacs pointed out that his total number of fouls and minutes played didn't tell the whole story. I think that's true. Even in the second half of that game he was less aggressive in the second half after picking up foul 3, likely because it was emphasized his presence on the floor was more important than getting a attempting to make a play that could cause him to pick up a foul.

The post I responded to simply said he would have 2 fouls in the first 3 mins and be a non factor.

 

[sufandu]

The post I responded to simply said he would have 2 fouls in the first 3 mins and be a non factor.

He didn't say, "clearly we're a better team with Jessie?"

 

[dollarbill44]

Can you imagine an established SEC football coach saying we can't handle Alabama? They would be calling for his head real quick for basically saying I've given up.

I don't think it would be that difficult to imagine. What's the college football equivalent of a 25 point loss in hoops- 50? Now, you're talking about a football team losing 2x to the same team by that much in a month. Why is it difficult to imagine a coach at an SEC school saying "we simply can't match up with them"? That's effectively the same thing.

We all know it to be true, so are you more upset that he said it or that it's true?

 

[DilemaCuse]

I don't think it would be that difficult to imagine. What's the college football equivalent of a 25 point loss in hoops- 50? Now, you're talking about a football team losing 2x to the same team by that much in a month. Why is it difficult to imagine a coach at an SEC school saying "we simply can't match up with them"? That's effectively the same thing.

We all know it to be true, so are you more upset that he said it or that it's true?

Good questions, Jeremy Pruitt at Tennessee basically said it at halftime against bama I think. Asked what do you need to do turn it around in the 2nd half? He said its not gonna happen in the 2nd half, it will take at least 2 recruiting cycles, lol.

Most of these coaches get cycled out soo quickly that they are all dedicated to catching up to Alabama. A coach at Vanderbilt might say it but if your established, meaning been there for multiple years and at a good program like Auburn, LSU, GA, FL, etc, they wont say it, because the expectation is that they will compete with the best. And if they dont or admit they can't, they are gone quick. See Dan Mullen and many others.

My point, is if you are 77 and run the program that is 5th in all time wins, and admits you cant compete with a conference foe, what are you doing? Why are you adamant that you will continue to coach next year? Whats your purpose? What's your long game at this point? Are you just going through the motions? Whats your plan to change this? What are you going to do differently at 77?

So to answer your question, im upset that its true but more upset that he said it because to me it shows he's admitting hes not up for the job anymore and no one can hold him accountable for letting the standards drop and the program decay.

 

[pearl31]

Good questions, Jeremy Pruitt at Tennessee basically said it at halftime against bama I think. Asked what do you need to do turn it around in the 2nd half? He said its not gonna happen in the 2nd half, it will take at least 2 recruiting cycles, lol.

Most of these coaches get cycled out soo quickly that they are all dedicated to catching up to Alabama. A coach at Vanderbilt might say it but if your established, meaning been there for multiple years and at a good program like Auburn, LSU, GA, FL, etc, they wont say it, because the expectation is that they will compete with the best. And if they dont or admit they can't, they are gone quick. See Dan Mullen and many others.

My point, is if you are 77 and run the program that is 5th in all time wins, and admits you cant compete with a conference foe, what are you doing? Why are you adamant that you will continue to coach next year? Whats your purpose? What's your long game at this point? Are you just going through the motions? Whats your plan to change this? What are you going to do differently at 77?

So to answer your question, im upset that its true but more upset that he said it because to me it shows he's admitting hes not up for the job anymore and no one can hold him accountable for letting the standards drop and the program decay.

I think this is spot on.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I think this is spot on.

Thank you, Pearl.

I just wonder what expectations JW and Syverud have for the program going forward and how long they will continue to let Jim hold the program hostage at this point?

Also, lets ask ourselves, is the program in a better spot than it was 5 years ago when JB nuked the succession plan and Hopkins bolted after the NIT loss?

I don't think it is.

 

[xc84]

I don't see what the fuss is about. Sure he didn't have to say it but is he wrong? Does this team have the players to beat that Duke team? Pick any coach you want. It ain't happening. I don't like saying it but I think it is accurate. I think Boeheim has one year left no matter how they do next year.

 

[orangecuse]

Good questions, Jeremy Pruitt at Tennessee basically said it at halftime against bama I think. Asked what do you need to do turn it around in the 2nd half? He said its not gonna happen in the 2nd half, it will take at least 2 recruiting cycles, lol.

Most of these coaches get cycled out soo quickly that they are all dedicated to catching up to Alabama. A coach at Vanderbilt might say it but if your established, meaning been there for multiple years and at a good program like Auburn, LSU, GA, FL, etc, they wont say it, because the expectation is that they will compete with the best. And if they dont or admit they can't, they are gone quick. See Dan Mullen and many others.

My point, is if you are 77 and run the program that is 5th in all time wins, and admits you cant compete with a conference foe, what are you doing? Why are you adamant that you will continue to coach next year? Whats your purpose? What's your long game at this point? Are you just going through the motions? Whats your plan to change this? What are you going to do differently at 77?

So to answer your question, im upset that its true but more upset that he said it because to me it shows he's admitting hes not up for the job anymore and no one can hold him accountable for letting the standards drop and the program decay.

I also agree with pearl31 that your post is spot on!

On an aside, your first paragraph struck the same nerve while I was watching the SU v. UVA lax game on Saturday afternoon. About as fast as SU lax alum, Paul Carcaterra, uttered his predictable and usual "tick, tac, toe," reference, and being down 4 to zip early, PBP announcer, Chris Cotter, asked what can Syracuse do to get back in this thing? Quint's (Kessinich) immediate quip was simply "recruit!" There was a few seconds of silence afterwards, and it was so fitting as it simply spoke for itself. Enough said! So true, and so sad.

 

[sufandu]

I don't see what the fuss is about. Sure he didn't have to say it but is he wrong? Does this team have the players to beat that Duke team? Pick any coach you want. It ain't happening. I don't like saying it but I think it is accurate. I think Boeheim has one year left no matter how they do next year.

It's probably significant when an architect says he designed a building that's expected to fall down. JB built the team. Did he do it with the intention of not hanging with the top teams? Didn't he say something similar when Villanova beat us?