We need to go back to the big east

[elimunelson]

The people that don't get this are the ones that totally don't care about football.

And that's fine. But don't be ridiculous about it.

Tell me where we are football wise in 2035. Bullish case and bearish case. I’m giving the base case.

 

[therapist]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

 

[orange79]

Tell me where we are football wise in 2035. Bullish case and bearish case. I’m giving the base case.

I don't have a crystal ball. OTOH, neither do you.

 

[Cusefan95]

You are looking at it sooo myopically. Pay attn to the world right now. We barely can compete in the ACC if our qb goes down. Our hc punted on season

We will be out of the ACC by 2030-2032 when anyone w program is brought into the other leagues. We will end up w peer programs who are not big enough. We will get some tv money . At this point I’d advocate for SU to situate the other sports to think regional. My entire point .

If football is consumed by big 10
Then I’m wrong 100% and sure let’s stick it out if we get 50-100mm per. That’s obvious

but seeing Rick vs Hurley tonite u would have to be brain dead to not want to be part of this heavyweight fight. SMU, Berkeley yuck

Interesting that you accuse me of being myopic - and then do an amazing job of not addressing any of the issues football dying creates for basketball.

We wont be part of a “Rick vs Hurley” fight - we’ll be just trying to survive past day 1 of the tourney occasionally.

There’s a really, really, really, really, really high probability that football dying kills competitive basketball as well. If you’re fine with that risk, OK - but at least admit that a significant risk.

 

[therapist]

Who cares about Georgetown? That's when dinosaurs walked the earth.

I'm far more interested in football rivalries with Clemson & Miami, LAX rivalries with Virginia, UNC, Duke, etc.

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Marsh01]

At this point in my life and the hell hole that college athletics is today just tell me where we are, when we are playing and i will just roll with it. Im just glad i grew up in the glory days of college sports. Todays youth have no idea how special it was

 

[Cusefan0307]

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

Could be, but we’ve heard this was imminent for a decade.

 

[Orangefizz]

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

I think we’re going to start seeing ACC realignment chaos in about 2 to 3 years.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

As long as Syracuse has FBS Football, we will have a seat at the table. ESPN isn't about to abandon the Northeast. Too many eyeballs watching too many Dr Pepper commercials.

 

[Orangefizz]

As long as Syracuse has FBS Football, we will have a seat at the table. ESPN isn't about to abandon the Northeast. Too many eyeballs watching too many Dr Pepper commercials.

Yes I think that’s right. an ACC/Big 12 hybrid third conference. 24 team ACC East and Big 12 West

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

Think this is probably close to what will happen.

 

[Cusefan95]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

The Big East imploded because the agendas of the football schools and non-football schools were not aligned. Thompson articulated that in “Requiem for the Big East” in asking why he was supposed to care about Pitt football. The agendas of football vs non-football schools even more divergent now than a decade ago.

What is going to change that a conference will be able to handle successfully both football and non-football schools as full members? Desperation isn’t viable as anything other than a short term bridge to something else - all I see offered in your post is desperation will drive this change.

I dislike the idea - a lot - because it relies on magical thinking that something which could not work in the past will work perfectly in the future. I’d also say if we’re at the point where the options are being in a conference with “AAC slop” or former Big East peers - the ship has sailed, somehow we missed the boat, and Syracuse athletics is completely screwed.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Football is going to die. I’m fine waiting but the result should be a rebuild of the north east conference.

Our football is not going into the big leagues.

 

[KevMonstah]

i wish. and you could, if SU had a 12,000 seat hoops arena and a football team playing
in a 15K football stadium, but they don't.

(can't figure out how to paste the "It's a MOO point" gif, but that's about right)

even Jim Jackson on the BE broadcast last night was saying, "BC, Pitt, SU, they don't have
an identity in the ACC." the commentators said Big East football was a good league, but
tv isn't paying for that. SU certainly hasn't held up their end of the bargain for the ACC
bringing them in for hoops that's for sure, except for year one. They had to be ecstatic
with that year: #1, 25-0 to start, high profile games vs Duke, 'this is what we wanted',
and that was that. under .500 since, and not much of value.

kev