We need to go back to the big east

[elimunelson]

The people that don't get this are the ones that totally don't care about football.

And that's fine. But don't be ridiculous about it.

Tell me where we are football wise in 2035. Bullish case and bearish case. I’m giving the base case.

 

[therapist]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

 

[orange79]

Tell me where we are football wise in 2035. Bullish case and bearish case. I’m giving the base case.

I don't have a crystal ball. OTOH, neither do you.

 

[Cusefan95]

You are looking at it sooo myopically. Pay attn to the world right now. We barely can compete in the ACC if our qb goes down. Our hc punted on season

We will be out of the ACC by 2030-2032 when anyone w program is brought into the other leagues. We will end up w peer programs who are not big enough. We will get some tv money . At this point I’d advocate for SU to situate the other sports to think regional. My entire point .

If football is consumed by big 10
Then I’m wrong 100% and sure let’s stick it out if we get 50-100mm per. That’s obvious

but seeing Rick vs Hurley tonite u would have to be brain dead to not want to be part of this heavyweight fight. SMU, Berkeley yuck

Interesting that you accuse me of being myopic - and then do an amazing job of not addressing any of the issues football dying creates for basketball.

We wont be part of a “Rick vs Hurley” fight - we’ll be just trying to survive past day 1 of the tourney occasionally.

There’s a really, really, really, really, really high probability that football dying kills competitive basketball as well. If you’re fine with that risk, OK - but at least admit that a significant risk.

 

[therapist]

Who cares about Georgetown? That's when dinosaurs walked the earth.

I'm far more interested in football rivalries with Clemson & Miami, LAX rivalries with Virginia, UNC, Duke, etc.

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Marsh01]

At this point in my life and the hell hole that college athletics is today just tell me where we are, when we are playing and i will just roll with it. Im just glad i grew up in the glory days of college sports. Todays youth have no idea how special it was

 

[Cusefan0307]

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

Could be, but we’ve heard this was imminent for a decade.

 

[Orangefizz]

Clemson, Miami, Virgina, UNC, and maybe Duke will all be leaving in the next 5 or 6 years. I’m not saying Syracuse should go back to the Big East Just enjoy it while it lasts.

I think we’re going to start seeing ACC realignment chaos in about 2 to 3 years.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

As long as Syracuse has FBS Football, we will have a seat at the table. ESPN isn't about to abandon the Northeast. Too many eyeballs watching too many Dr Pepper commercials.

 

[Orangefizz]

As long as Syracuse has FBS Football, we will have a seat at the table. ESPN isn't about to abandon the Northeast. Too many eyeballs watching too many Dr Pepper commercials.

Yes I think that’s right. an ACC/Big 12 hybrid third conference. 24 team ACC East and Big 12 West

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

Think this is probably close to what will happen.

 

[Cusefan95]

I know there is more revenue in the ACC but I miss the Big East days. There is no way to go back at this point since they don’t sponsor football. I suspect a lot of old rivalries will come back in the next 5 years or so.

So many teams want to leave the ACC right now. When the grant of rights expires (or there is a buyout deal), there are going to be big changes in my opinion. FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Cal, and Stanford will likely all leave. Probably others too.

The conference will likely made up of the prograns who don’t get offers from the SEC, Big 10, or Big 12. I’m guessing Syracuse, BC, Pitt, GT, Wake, NC State, Virgina Tech, and maybe Duke and Louisville will be the remaining programs. At least half of the leftover programs will be former Big East programs.

At that point, a conference (by whatever name) including Big East programs will probably be heavily considered. There is a strong probablility that the ACC will need to expand. The likely scenario is some of the best Big East programs will be in the mix. UConn is a no-brainer. Georgetown, SJU, and Nova would be good non-football additions.

Think about a conference of Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, Ga Tech, BC, Duke, NC State, Wake, UConn, Nova, Georgetown, and SJU. Maybe a few others if they add value like Povidence Seton Hall and Marquette. I’m old, but this would be fun. Some great nostalgic rivalries and a solid conference. Sure, the tv revenue wouldn’t be the same, but I don’t dislike this idea.

I know everyone will say it is a major downgrade in football, but the most valuable football programs will be leaving whether we like it or not. I’d prefer the old Big East-style hybrid over backfilling with AAC slop like USF, Memphis, Coastal Carolina, etc. This could be an exciting league with nostalgic rivalries.

The Big East imploded because the agendas of the football schools and non-football schools were not aligned. Thompson articulated that in “Requiem for the Big East” in asking why he was supposed to care about Pitt football. The agendas of football vs non-football schools even more divergent now than a decade ago.

What is going to change that a conference will be able to handle successfully both football and non-football schools as full members? Desperation isn’t viable as anything other than a short term bridge to something else - all I see offered in your post is desperation will drive this change.

I dislike the idea - a lot - because it relies on magical thinking that something which could not work in the past will work perfectly in the future. I’d also say if we’re at the point where the options are being in a conference with “AAC slop” or former Big East peers - the ship has sailed, somehow we missed the boat, and Syracuse athletics is completely screwed.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Football is going to die. I’m fine waiting but the result should be a rebuild of the north east conference.

Our football is not going into the big leagues.

 

[KevMonstah]

i wish. and you could, if SU had a 12,000 seat hoops arena and a football team playing
in a 15K football stadium, but they don't.

(can't figure out how to paste the "It's a MOO point" gif, but that's about right)

even Jim Jackson on the BE broadcast last night was saying, "BC, Pitt, SU, they don't have
an identity in the ACC." the commentators said Big East football was a good league, but
tv isn't paying for that. SU certainly hasn't held up their end of the bargain for the ACC
bringing them in for hoops that's for sure, except for year one. They had to be ecstatic
with that year: #1, 25-0 to start, high profile games vs Duke, 'this is what we wanted',
and that was that. under .500 since, and not much of value.

kev

 

[OmahaCuse]

A few teams will move to SEC and BIG, ACC and Big12 merge, adding UCONN who needs a home for football. Maybe not elite in football but still good enough to create revenue and have a chance to play for championships. Basketball will be elite but make no mistake football drives the bus. The BigEast is terrified that UCONN is leaving (which they are), and they become a mid-major catholic league (CYO) without enough $ to compete. The BigEast is only getting 3 teams in the tourney this year. We enjoyed the best years of the BigEast it’s not the same.

 

[elimunelson]

I don't have a crystal ball. OTOH, neither do you.

I don’t but I’m on a message board and speculating

Our hoops won’t die because of football. UConn’s hasn’t died. Villanova has football and hasn’t.

We are in the wrong conference. It is fine because of the finances but no one objectively can say this feels like home.

 

[Cusefan95]

i wish. and you could, if SU had a 12,000 seat hoops arena and a football team playing
in a 15K football stadium, but they don't.

(can't figure out how to paste the "It's a MOO point" gif, but that's about right)

even Jim Jackson on the BE broadcast last night was saying, "BC, Pitt, SU, they don't have
an identity in the ACC." the commentators said Big East football was a good league, but
tv isn't paying for that. SU certainly hasn't held up their end of the bargain for the ACC
bringing them in for hoops that's for sure, except for year one. They had to be ecstatic
with that year: #1, 25-0 to start, high profile games vs Duke, 'this is what we wanted',
and that was that. under .500 since, and not much of value.

kev

Big East football was not a good league, it was being threatened with losing its auto bid to the BCS. Anyone saying that is trying to spin a narrative that isn’t well grounded in reality.

I also think the “no identity” narrative is nonsense. If you asked what identity BC had in the Big East, I’d have no idea what to say. “No identity” is mostly just code for “they don’t win a lot”. If JB retired after the 2016 Final Four and the new guy had them ranked every year, in three Final Fours and winning a championship in the last decade - NO ONE would say “Syracuse has been really successful in the ACC…it’s a shame they still have no identity”.

Usually the comeback is we can’t win in the ACC for some reason - but there’s other reasons we can’t win.
- We can’t win with a coach who already quiet quit but feels entitled to stay on due to past success.
- We can’t win with an administration that contains enough members who support the coach that he does stay on and crashes the program into a ditch.
- We can’t win with those people having so much power we just hire an unqualified assistant with no national search to replace the coach who stayed a decade too long after he’s successfully wrecked the program already.
- We can’t win with the most powerful booster thinking hiring an AD who was a disaster her last stop, who everyone hates, and who coaches would avoid working for - is a great idea because his wife is friends with said potential AD. And influencing who gets hired when everyone else tells him “no” to his wishes.

We can’t win because the administration at Syracuse is a complete dumpster fire. That the administration destroying the program sorta kinda lines up with joining the ACC is mostly coincidence. If we’d not joined the ACC and somehow BE football was still viable - this trainwreck was still inevitable. And I can’t help but think some of the “We need to go back to the Big East” is denial of how bad the administrations at Syracuse have been for the last forty years, how exceptionally awful the last decade was, and how much more difficult that actual issue is going to be to fix than just “going back to the Big East”.

 

[Cusefan95]

I don’t but I’m on a message board and speculating

Our hoops won’t die because of football. UConn’s hasn’t died. Villanova has football and hasn’t.

We are in the wrong conference. It is fine because of the finances but no one objectively can say this feels like home.

I gave specific reasons why it likely would. You have not answered any of that, you just keep asserting otherwise.

I think there’s a very good reason for that.

 

[OmahaCuse]

I don’t but I’m on a message board and speculating

Our hoops won’t die because of football. UConn’s hasn’t died. Villanova has football and hasn’t.

We are in the wrong conference. It is fine because of the finances but no one objectively can say this feels like home.

Go look at UCONN balance sheet if you think they have not died. They are engaged with a consulting firm right now to find a way out of the BigEast. They are a large state school and need to get out of that league for football and basketball goes with