Weitsman issues

[UpstateSM]

I think that Jim is probably a pretty good judge of character. The fact that he is still hanging with him speaks volumes

He’s allegedly friends with Coach K so I’m not so sure

 

[HoustonCuse]

Nothing burger.

Reminds me of when Terry Silver was getting sued like crazy because “nuclear was no longer the preferred waste.”

 

[MSOrange]

This is the big secret that the university was worried about, that people inferred but wouldn’t say?! The unspoken reason to send A billionaire willing to spend millions to support your program packing?!

GMAFB

 

[MG44]

What?! A corporation would skirt the law to increase its profits?! I can't believe it!

 

[CuseFaninVT]

What?! A corporation would skirt the law to increase its profits?! I can't believe it!

Yeah,I wouldn’t call it that. Sounds like this is a newly regulated industry for the CAA, so Adam probably did the right thing and said tell us what’s the best technology to use. EPA takes a long time to answer questions like that.

 

[Bayside44]

No

Exactly,

 

[samspann1]

This is the big secret that the university was worried about, that people inferred but wouldn’t say?! The unspoken reason to send A billionaire willing to spend millions to support your program packing?!

GMAFB

I'm thinking that there's much more to the story, from SU's angle...

 

[GoSU96]

Yeah,I wouldn’t call it that. Sounds like this is a newly regulated industry for the CAA, so Adam probably did the right thing and said tell us what’s the best technology to use. EPA takes a long time to answer questions like that.

Ding, cheaper to pay a fine and get the agency on the record about the mitigation tool set instead of trying to interpret regs waste money and get in a game of not good enough

Now the EPA has approved the solution upfront

 

[Orangezoo]

I'll just say that maybe the D.O. might wanna take a minute and check on a couple things before they drop an article in the future.

 

[Cuseregular]

Exactly,

So spill it you two (Dash) already!

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Georgetown as much as the next guy, but I feel like Iverson is just kind of universally liked. Similar to Mutombo.

I think Mutombo was universally liked but I don’t know anyone outside of Georgetown or Philly fans who liked Iverson.

 

[MSOrange]

I think Mutombo was universally liked but I don’t know anyone outside of Georgetown or Philly fans who liked Iverson.

Agree. Iverson in that statement was news to me also.

 

[RF2044]

So spill it you two (Dash) already!

I'll share some information I heard, from right around the time [March timeframe] when Weitsman was letting his loud departure play out, and using the media to air his grievances knowing that SU wouldn't rebut.

A major P5 conference held their off-season AD meetings around that time, and had a lengthy seminar to discuss the topic of NIL, how it was evolving, and behaviors that need to be avoided to prevent member institutions from getting in trouble with the NCAA. Weitsman was literally an example case study -- on a powerpoint slide -- for what to avoid given the NCAA's threats to enforce NIL differently.

He was a cautionary tale for what NOT to do to avoid NCAA scrutiny. So take that for what it's worth.

 

[orangefog]

I'll share some information I heard, from right around the time [March timeframe] when Weitsman was letting his loud departure play out, and using the media to air his grievances knowing that SU wouldn't rebut.

A major P5 conference held their off-season AD meetings around that time, and had a lengthy seminar to discuss the topic of NIL, how it was evolving, and behaviors that need to be avoided to prevent member institutions from getting in trouble with the NCAA. Weitsman was literally an example case study -- on a powerpoint slide -- for what to avoid given the NCAA's threats to enforce NIL differently.

He was a cautionary tale for what NOT to do to avoid NCAA scrutiny. So take that for what it's worth.

I can believe that, he certainly didn’t hide his involvement. I just wish the university approached him with their concerns and came to a compromise.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I'll share some information I heard, from right around the time [March timeframe] when Weitsman was letting his loud departure play out, and using the media to air his grievances knowing that SU wouldn't rebut.

A major P5 conference held their off-season AD meetings around that time, and had a lengthy seminar to discuss the topic of NIL, how it was evolving, and behaviors that need to be avoided to prevent member institutions from getting in trouble with the NCAA. Weitsman was literally an example case study -- on a powerpoint slide -- for what to avoid given the NCAA's threats to enforce NIL differently.

He was a cautionary tale for what NOT to do to avoid NCAA scrutiny. So take that for what it's worth.

If that was the case, why haven’t we heard anything official such as a formal investigation? In times like this with shifts in what wasn’t previously allowed but now are, less silence on the topic would be helpful from the governing bodies and institutions.

 

[RF2044]

If that was the case, why haven’t we heard anything official such as a formal investigation? In times like this with shifts in what wasn’t previously allowed but now are, less silence on the topic would be helpful from the governing bodies and institutions.

An investigation about what? The university cut ties, because they didn't like the attention he was drawing. The prevented the problem before it ballooned.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

An investigation about what? The university cut ties, because they didn't like the attention he was drawing. The prevented the problem before it ballooned.

My apologies. Wasn’t really directed at you there. Just sounded like if it was big enough to use as an example of noncompliance, then there might have been some actual noncompliance. Or was it a case of the monies not actually being exchanged yet?

 

[samspann1]

"Your honor, while my client acknowledges that he was in violation of federal law, we would ask for leniency from the court due to the fact that he brought arguably the 2nd most famous Baldwin brother to the Dome that one time."

Literally laughed out loud. Thank you.

 

[RF2044]

My apologies. Wasn’t really directed at you there. Just sounded like if it was big enough to use as an example of noncompliance, then there might have been some actual noncompliance. Or was it a case of the monies not actually being exchanged yet?

I think it was more about the spectacle / attention grabbing angle, in light of the NCAA's announced intentions to enforce NIL differently, with the opinion they rendered vis a vis the Miami Hurricanes and how certain types of booster behavior would no longer be tolerated.

 

[Bayside44]

An investigation about what? The university cut ties, because they didn't like the attention he was drawing. The prevented the problem before it ballooned.

Yep.

There are plenty of avenues and needs with SU and the collectives to be a good big donor, had he just chosen that path.

 

[samspann1]

Yep.

There are plenty of avenues and needs with SU and the collectives to be a good big donor, had he just chosen that path.

He still could, if he wanted to.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think it was more about the spectacle / attention grabbing angle, in light of the NCAA's announced intentions to enforce NIL differently, with the opinion they rendered vis a vis the Miami Hurricanes and how certain types of booster behavior would no longer be tolerated.

Yeah, until we see them doing something similar for an SEC school, and no I don’t have an example, I’m going to reserve further judgment on what the ncaa will or won’t allow

 

[Cheriehoop]

If that was the case, why haven’t we heard anything official such as a formal investigation? In times like this with shifts in what wasn’t previously allowed but now are, less silence on the topic would be helpful from the governing bodies and institutions.

Do you really think any organization should wait until a formal investigation to protect themselves?

 

[RF2044]

Yeah, until we see them doing something similar for an SEC school, and no I don’t have an example, I’m going to reserve further judgment on what the ncaa will or won’t allow

That's fine. The NCAA are a sham of an enforcement agency, no argument there.

BUT in rendering that Miami opinion, they did put the member institutions on blast about what they would be scrutinizing more intently going forward, and what types of booster behaviors the NCAA won't tolerate going forward. That led to schools / conferences having to proactively adjust so that they wouldn't land in the crosshairs.

I'm not saying that Weitsman and the Miami booster conduct themselves exactly the same way, but having a "rogue" booster out there posting on social media about who he's signing, how much he's offering, and bringing unnecessary attention to both the university and what we're doing with NIL is why he was a case study for what not to do.

Especially when the University wasn't aligned with what said rogue booster was doing. SU didn't want to get into trouble over some peripheral attention seeker marching to their own drum beat.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I seriously doubt that. I just figure that SU with it‘s past issues with the NCAA and their love of hammering us that they were trying to ensure that everything went through them and was totally cleared before not after. Adam said he never spoke to the university but had hired his own lawyer.

Do you really think any organization should wait until a formal investigation to protect themselves?

No, but my line of questions here is more about the implication that if Adam had been quieter about all of this then everything he did would have been fine. If something was done the wrong way, the ncaa should say so and why it was wrong, and not just make it about the optics.