Weitsman issues

[Orangezoo]

Yep.

There are plenty of avenues and needs with SU and the collectives to be a good big donor, had he just chosen that path.

So to walk the neutral line here- one of the concerns that folks shared was that there would be impacts in terms of who we could keep and who we could recruit as a result.

We've seen some attrition that did hurt but also some positive momentum on multiple fronts when it comes to talent retention and recruiting.

Now that doesn't dispel the notion of let's fill the coffers to be able to compete every year but it also doesn't paint a picture to where this relationship and parting of the ways has hurt our programs or holds them back. This was one of the things floating around. Thus vilification of either side is unnecessary.

So I think the public references and social media posts had no business coming from Mr Weitsman or his attorney similar to the attacks here, to which I owe my own two cents thrown in do either.

Not that they won't carry on but as far as I can see things are in good shape with the results just needed to come with. The NIL stuff is still new and I'm sure much more to come that the NCAA will bungle like say trying to ignore state laws...

 

[FrancoPizza]

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Georgetown as much as the next guy, but I feel like Iverson is just kind of universally liked. Similar to Mutombo.

And arguably the greatest player of our arch rival.

The fact that people don’t give Weitsman shtt about featuring Iverson courtside makes me crazy.

I doubt many kids under the age of 30 even know who he is.

 

[Orangezoo]

I doubt many kids under the age of 30 even know who he is.

30? Maybe you mean 20. He played until 09-10.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Georgetown as much as the next guy, but I feel like Iverson is just kind of universally liked. Similar to Mutombo.

They're not.
Both detested...especially Iverson.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I can believe that, he certainly didn’t hide his involvement. I just wish the university approached him with their concerns and came to a compromise.

What compromise? He wanted to use SU and NIL to expand "his brand" in social media.

SU was never going to capitulate and either was Weitsman.

Once his money wasn't going to buy him what he wanted it wasn't worth it to him.

Sometimes neither side can meet each others demands.

 

[Cuseregular]

Do you really think any organization should wait until a formal investigation to protect themselves?

This is NOT the issue at it has been suggested to me by some, as as Bayside said, we all know he “flew too close to the sun“ for the schools tastes With the recruit and rappers issue, rather it was implied by some that there was something much more serious afoot (and frankly, with the wild wild West, no rules essentially new paradigm of portal and NIL, I had no problem with that either being assertively aggressive in the New World to try keep competitive when you are ready behind the eight ball on these matters).

So, if the above article is it, I call it out as complete and utter B. S. And much like The La Quint Allen situation, it’s Uniquely stupid to Syracuse.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

What compromise? He wanted to use SU and NIL to expand "his brand" in social media.

SU was never going to capitulate and either was Weitsman.

Once his money wasn't going to buy him what he wanted it wasn't worth it to him.

Sometimes neither side can meet each others demands.

Isn’t that the stated point of NIL? A company pays a kid to use their status in order to promote or market the payer’s company or brand?

You know what, I don’t actually care. It’s all a joke now. (Not directed at you March 7)

 

[Bayside44]

This is NOT the issue at it has been suggested to me by some, as as Bayside said, we all know he “flew too close to the sun“ for the schools tastes With the recruit and rappers issue, rather it was implied by some that there was something much more serious afoot.

So, if the above article is it, I call it out as complete and utter B. S. And much like The La Quint Allen situation, it’s Uniquely stupid to Syracuse.

RF and 0307 nailed it.

The collective we have many avenues to donate and be helpful. Heck he can give to your group also.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

This is NOT the issue at it has been suggested to me by some, as as Bayside said, we all know he “flew too close to the sun“ for the schools tastes With the recruit and rappers issue, rather it was implied by some that there was something much more serious afoot (and frankly, with the wild wild West, no rules essentially new paradigm of portal and NIL, I had no problem with that either being assertively aggressive in the New World to try keep competitive when you are ready behind the eight ball on these matters).

So, if the above article is it, I call it out as complete and utter B. S. And much like The La Quint Allen situation, it’s Uniquely stupid to Syracuse.

Why are you so thirsty for a billionaire? Tossing the keys to boosters has far more high profile embarrassments (Auburn over and over again, Texas's perplexing lack of football success in the last 15 years, Texas A&M and Jimbo's contract, Alabama before Saban) than reasonable successes (Oregon and Oklahoma State, if you want to consider that a success).

 

[HOFCeluck]

I’m not sure if he’s “Foolish” or “Unfoolish”, but this doesn’t seem great. Hopefully everything gets sorted out.

To be fair I think the number of government regulations can Mesmorize someone who hasn’t the experience in dealing with them. A good lawyer can help Weitsman. He needs to call someone and say “Only U can help me with the EPA and if you get me out of this my checks will be Always On Time.”

 

[CusefanATL]

And arguably the greatest player of our arch rival.

The fact that people don’t give Weitsman shtt about featuring Iverson courtside makes me crazy.

what did boeheim say about it? i genuinely dont recall.

 

[CusefanATL]

I doubt many kids under the age of 30 even know who he is.

iverson?

 

[rrlbees]

RF and 0307 nailed it.

The collective we have many avenues to donate and be helpful. Heck he can give to your group also.

That’s not the whole reason for the separation and may not have been the driving force.

 

[OrangeDW]

To be fair I think the number of government regulations can Mesmorize someone who hasn’t the experience in dealing with them. A good lawyer can help Weitsman. He needs to call someone and say “Only U can help me with the EPA and if you get me out of this my checks will be Always On Time.”

I think that would make everybody “Happy”.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

I think that would make everybody “Happy”.

I know something is going on here, but I have no idea what it is

 

[Cuseregular]

Why are you so thirsty for a billionaire? Tossing the keys to boosters has far more high profile embarrassments (Auburn over and over again, Texas's perplexing lack of football success in the last 15 years, Texas A&M and Jimbo's contract, Alabama before Saban) than reasonable successes (Oregon and Oklahoma State, if you want to consider that a success).

dude seriously?!

These Syracuse programs need every possible competitive advantage possible given the inherent and unique and very real challenges they face to prosper and be competitive. Millions of extra dollars couldn't hurt if the powers that be could have only had the fortuitous foresight to see the paradigm has permanently shifted and schools in their situation need be proactive in this age of NIL/portal and indeed fly as close to the sun as need be. There are no clearly demarcated rules or guidelines right now so push the envelope especially with the NCAA so feckless.

This guy offered the extra help this/these programs could benefit from. Now if, as inferred and conjectured here, he's REALLY dirty elsewhere on top of flying too close to the sun with his SU actions, then different story, get that, but if its because of an already settled environmental deal then it makes no logical sense to kick this guy to the curb without a meeting of the minds or even the chancellor just taking his calls/emails.

If that had happened weitsman still doesn't want to tone it down and leaves then so be it. To not even give the guy a chance because of all of this supposed other nefarious things going on with this guy inferred here - that at this point has turned out NOT to be true - is, as I said, B S.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

dude seriously?!

These Syracuse programs need every possible competitive advantage possible given the inherent and unique and very real challenges they face to prosper and be competitive. Millions of extra dollars couldn't hurt if the powers that be could have only had the fortuitous foresight to see the paradigm has permanently shifted and schools in their situation need be proactive in this age of NIL/portal and indeed fly as close to the sun as need be. There are no clearly demarcated rules or guidelines right now so push the envelope especially with the NCAA so feckless.

This guy offered the extra help this/these programs could benefit from. Now if, as inferred and conjectured here, he's REALLY dirty elsewhere on top of flying too close to the sun with his SU actions, then different story, get that, but if its because of an already settled environmental deal then it makes no logical sense to kick this guy to the curb without a meeting of the minds or even the chancellor just taking his calls/emails.

If that had happened weitsman still doesn't want to tone it down and leaves then so be it. To not even give the guy a chance because of all of this supposed other nefarious things going on with this guy inferred here is, as I said, B S.

The environmental stuff doesn't factor in.

The guy is a nightmare beyond "typical rich guy stuff", and all of the evidence is out there if you want to see it.

Having deep pockets isn't a guaranteed translation to on-field success (see the examples I cited in my previous post), especially when it comes with strong ties to the donor's constant self-promotion in ways that go well beyond putting your name on a building.

 

[Cuseregular]

The environmental stuff doesn't factor in.

The guy is a nightmare beyond "typical rich guy stuff", and all of the evidence is out there if you want to see it.

Having deep pockets isn't a guaranteed translation to on-field success (see the examples I cited in my previous post), especially when it comes with strong ties to the donor's constant self-promotion in ways that go well beyond putting your name on a building.

I want to see it, what is it bud?

edit: and not the stuff already elucidated upon here and elsewhere on the board (eg. rappers and a recruit, etc)

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I want to see it, what is it bud?

edit: and not the stuff already elucidated upon here and elsewhere on the board (eg. rappers and a recruit, etc)

Him renting celebrities to bring to basketball games and then saying it's good for the program because (?), publicly promising a million dollars to five star recruits, buying Boeheim a share of a race horse because it's a birthday present for "his best friend", time in prison for tax evasion, having people actively monitoring his online image, taking his ball and going home when SU didn't want to do things his way and then loudly promising to support another school out of spite isn't enough red flags for you?

 

[orangefog]

What compromise? He wanted to use SU and NIL to expand "his brand" in social media.

SU was never going to capitulate and either was Weitsman.

Once his money wasn't going to buy him what he wanted it wasn't worth it to him.

Sometimes neither side can meet each others demands.

In order to attempt a compromise, there needs to be a discussion. There was no discussion. So, it’s pure speculation to say there could be no compromise.

 

[Cuseregular]

Him renting celebrities to bring to basketball games and then saying it's good for the program because (?), publicly promising a million dollars to five star recruits, buying Boeheim a share of a race horse because it's a birthday present for "his best friend", time in prison for tax evasion, having people actively monitoring his online image, taking his ball and going home when SU didn't want to do things his way and then loudly promising to support another school out of spite isn't enough red flags for you?

None of that bothers me. None. Would’ve in the past, certainly, but not now in the now lawless nearly anything goes world of major college sports, one must fly close to the sun in all respects and with these characters, this, if and until some ground rules are established.

Dude served his time for writing the bad checks (essentially), more than has made amends in a million ways, pun intended.

Took his ball home because they wouldn’t meet with him or take his calls. That’s a fact.

All that said if it was as rumored also a financial thing of NOT living up to paying what was asked of him then I get it, a bit. Work it out. Regardless we may never know the whole story, so be it.

 

[Bayside44]

None of that bothers me. None. Would’ve in the past, certainly, but not now in the now lawless world of major college sports.

Dude served his time for writing the bad checks, more than has made amends in a million ways, pun intended.

Took his ball home because they wouldn’t meet with him or take his calls. That’s a fact.

All that said if it was as rumored also a financial thing NOT living up to paying what was asked of him then I get it, a bit. Work it out. Regardless we may never know the whole story, so be it.

The NCAA's NIL Standard of Review and Burden of Proof - Guilty Until Proven Innocent. Effective January 1, 2023, the NCAA adopted Bylaw 19.7. 3., which creates a new standard of review and burden of proof for NIL activities that ignores and upends the presumption of innocence

 

[Cuseregular]

The NCAA's NIL Standard of Review and Burden of Proof - Guilty Until Proven Innocent. Effective January 1, 2023, the NCAA adopted Bylaw 19.7. 3., which creates a new standard of review and burden of proof for NIL activities that ignores and upends the presumption of innocence

feckless and unenforceable at this point, and, accordingly to the lawyers sure to be stricken down and side stepped/overcome if ever challenged.

 

[Cheriehoop]

None of that bothers me. None. Would’ve in the past, certainly, but not now in the now lawless nearly anything goes world of major college sports, one must fly close to the sun in all respects and with these characters, this, if and until some ground rules are established.

Dude served his time for writing the bad checks (essentially), more than has made amends in a million ways, pun intended.

Took his ball home because they wouldn’t meet with him or take his calls. That’s a fact.

All that said if it was as rumored also a financial thing of NOT living up to paying what was asked of him then I get it, a bit. Work it out. Regardless we may never know the whole story, so be it.

i thought he said he never called them and said there was no communication either way.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

None of that bothers me. None. Would’ve in the past, certainly, but not now in the now lawless nearly anything goes world of major college sports, one must fly close to the sun in all respects and with these characters, this, if and until some ground rules are established.

Dude served his time for writing the bad checks (essentially), more than has made amends in a million ways, pun intended.

Took his ball home because they wouldn’t meet with him or take his calls. That’s a fact.

All that said if it was as rumored also a financial thing of NOT living up to paying what was asked of him then I get it, a bit. Work it out. Regardless we may never know the whole story, so be it.

If you see this as a means to an end, which is athletic success, more power to you. But I’d have stopped following SU sports if he became more involved. He repulses me.