What’s the deal?

[pokercuse08]

Forget any of the race nonsense. That doesn’t play after 8 - eight - years of excessive patience and tolerance.

Exactly. He's 9-30 in conference the last five years. Last year was 4-4, this year he's 0-5 and just locked in a losing conference record. It's so incredibly easy to make the case to fire him. Nobody is going to make those allegations, and if they do they'll be mocked.

 

[MSOrange]

Would you have waited to see what transpired with a record like this. Whose record is this? It's a test - you'll be graded in the morning.

Syracuse Orangemen/Orange (Big East Conference) (1991–2004)
1991	Syracuse	10–2	5–0	‡	W Hall of Fame	11	11
1992	Syracuse	10–2	6–1	‡	W Fiesta†	7	6
1993	Syracuse	6–4–1	3–4	5th
1994	Syracuse	7–4	4–3	T–3rd
1995	Syracuse	9–3	5–2	3rd	W Gator	16	19
1996	Syracuse	9–3	6–1	T–1st	W Liberty	19	21
1997	Syracuse	9–4	6–1	1st	L Fiesta†	20	21
1998	Syracuse	8–4	6–1	1st	L Orange†	24	25
1999	Syracuse	7–5	3–4	T–3rd	W Music City
2000	Syracuse	6–5	4–3	T–3rd
2001	Syracuse	10–3	6–1	2nd	W Insight.com	14	14
2002	Syracuse	4–8	2–5	T–6th
2003	Syracuse	6–6	2–5	T–6th
2004	Syracuse	6–6	4–2	T–1st	L Champs Sports

You have to build your team around your QB. Do you think Del Rio Wilson is that QB?

I don't- , 4 interceptions and I don't know how many he threw into the ground in front of the receiver.

The reason I included the results above are because we had good QB's. Who were they? Vick didn't show in 1996 becuase his momma wanted him to stay home. McNabb had him convinced SU was it - then he spoke to his mother and the rest is history.

I'm giving you the answers here but why was Pasqualoni fired? No QB?

Looks like the portal to me. Leave Dino alone. Whatta' going to do clone Shrader, who isn't the answer either? I give Dino the benefit of the doubt here. No All American receiver, no QB. plenty of injuries - what's he going to do wish he could win with an OL who can't block?

Go ahead hire a new coach then you go through 2-3 years of having his new O and D gel before W's begin to arrive. It's the same ole, same old.

Love your contibutions Bill, but when comparing Dino to Coach P, I can't help but think of that old Sesame Street song "one of these things is not like the other."

 

[tep624]

Love your contibutions Bill, but when comparing Dino to Coach P, I can't help but think of that old Sesame Street song "one of these things is not like the other."

I guess you missed his 1 win season like I did lol

 

[Millhouse]

Doing it now allows them to work with HR to get the job posted at LinkedIn, you know how hr can be with job descriptions

 

[tep624]

Okay, as someone who has been in corporate M&A for a decade and has worked on numerous public and private transactions, even PE firms wouldn’t run processes like this. They, at worst, fire the person, move the VP up to interim and conduct a search. Idk what dopey firm you’re working for but I would run away in a heart beat. If PE firms have the decency to inform executives of their dismissal before starting a hiring process then anyone who doesn’t isn’t worth your time. You do you, but your firm is FAR from the norm.

Confidential executive searches are pretty common in the Mid Market especially for recently acquired PE platform companies. I’ve experienced it with 3 different PE firms so far and I’ve been contacted by I can’t tell you how many recruiters doing confidential searches so I know first hand it’s common in this space. And it has nothing to do with firms being “dopey” or lacking decency. The lack of managerial infrastructure internally at companies of this size plays a large part (the concept of an internal interim for example - person probably doesn’t exist) but also for recently acquired platform companies you don’t want to create a ton of anxiety in the employee base with a lazy susan of executives. It’s better to guarantee a transition from the incumbent to the new hire by going this route for the overall health of the organization.

 

[Millhouse]

What was your question? Seriously I didn’t see one. And I took your point as “I don’t care, but you’re all idiots”.

His question was the first sentence of the post.

 

[DPCuse]

A coaching search in higher ed is different than other industries. You put out feelers ahead of time to see what might be out there and to understand the cost. This narrows it down to a short list. When you pull the trigger and terminate the coach, you are now ready to interview the finalists and name a coach within a week or two.

 

[kingtidge]

He’s been coach for eight years. Three more weeks isn’t going to substantially change the required rebuild.

And we’re not making a bowl. “Maybe an interim can get us to a bowl” is as asinine as thinking Dino can get this team to a bowl. Terrible reason to fire now.

If you want to be ready for next year and prepared to evaluate the team, suss out who's leaving and who's staying (and try and keep anyone), and be ready to go after targets in the portal as well as get a jump on recruiting... You fire Dino now and get a replacement in here in the next 3 weeks.

Like others have said, this day was not unexpected and is overdue. Hopefully some level of planning has been done with a replacement and we're ready to strike while the iron's hot and get a jump on the competition for coaches.

If we are going to wait til the end of the season and miss everything mentioned above, that will say a lot. That is a statement of intent. I realize good coaches may want/need to see out their seasons now elsewhere, but you can still make announcement and they often forgo bowls/postseason with current team to get started. Why can't we do that?

We're not a competitive program and waiting until season end would affirm that the powers that be are not ready or willing to do their part to change that.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Confidential executive searches are pretty common in the Mid Market especially for recently acquired PE platform companies. I’ve experienced it with 3 different PE firms so far and I’ve been contacted by I can’t tell you how many recruiters doing confidential searches so I know first hand it’s common in this space. And it has nothing to do with firms being “dopey” or lacking decency. The lack of managerial infrastructure internally at companies of this size plays a large part (the concept of an internal interim for example - person probably doesn’t exist) but also for recently acquired platform companies you don’t want to create a ton of anxiety in the employee base with a lazy susan of executives. It’s better to guarantee a transition from the incumbent to the new hire by going this route for the overall health of the organization.

As a retired executive recruiter I can confirm that confidential searches definitely happen before a position has been vacated.
If the school wants to replace Babers there is no reason they can't reach out to a search firm to start a confidential search and begin preparing a "list" of potential candidates.

 

[DuxburyO]

As a retired executive recruiter I can confirm that confidential searches definitely happen before a position has been vacated.
If the school wants to replace Babers there is no reason they can't reach out to a search firm to start a confidential search and begin preparing a "list" of potential candidates.

If the school has not already hired a search firm then we deserve this mess and do not belong in big time football. In fact JW should have a list reviewed every year regardless of how a season played out.

 

[kingtidge]

If the school has not already hired a search firm then we deserve this mess and do not belong in big time football. In fact JW should have a list reviewed every year regardless of how a season played out.

I would assume we were at some point in the process... How far along is the question.

If rumors of White as a lock are correct, then maybe we are wrapping it up.

Time will tell.

 

[wfschrec]

Not in my Fortune 500 world.

I’ve worked at two Fortune 500s and one did just what tep is describing the other did not. I was literally in a meeting where a global VP was told he was released only to meet his replacement right after the same meeting. Bees I have no doubt you’ve never seen it because I have worked at the same facility you did and that is a Fortune 500 with heavy govt dependencies so much like the medical staff at SU was overly cautious and DQing borderline cases your company is far more risk adverse.

 

[tep624]

As a retired executive recruiter I can confirm that confidential searches definitely happen before a position has been vacated.
If the school wants to replace Babers there is no reason they can't reach out to a search firm to start a confidential search and begin preparing a "list" of potential candidates.

Yeah I was surprised to see people treat this as some nefarious or unheard of thing because literally at least every few weeks I get contacted by executive recruiters on LinkedIn about a confidential CFO search.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Have you provided one legit reason to not have fired him yet? You have gone on and on without one reason to keep him past this point. There are plenty of benefits to doing it now whether you want to admit it or not. There is no known benefit to waiting.

 

[kingtidge]

Yeah I was surprised to see people treat this as some nefarious or unheard of thing because literally at least every few weeks I get contacted by executive recruiters on LinkedIn about a confidential CFO search.

There's a whole HR subsegment of executive head hunter firms that are paid (and paid well) to do these searches... Not only is it happening often, but there's a whole industry behind it. Some firms are boutique and specialize in certain segments or verticals... I have no doubt there are sports management-focused search firms as well, but that is not my sector of business.

 

[wfschrec]

Have you provided one legit reason to not have fired him yet? You have gone on and on without one reason to keep him past this point. There are plenty of benefits to doing it now whether you want to admit it or not. There is no known benefit to waiting.

Because media … that’s it that’s the tweet

 

[Cusefan78]

Because the longer this goes on the worse it will get especially now with all the rumors of in team fighting. would you keep going to a dr that wasn’t treating you properly.

 

[tep624]

There's a whole HR subsegment of executive head hunter firms that are paid (and paid well) to do these searches... Not only is it happening often, but there's a whole industry behind it. Some firms are boutique and specialize in certain segments or verticals... I have no doubt some are sports management-focused search firms as well, but that is not my sector of business.

I can’t speak to Fortune 500 or SEC large cap sized companies because it’s been years since I’ve worked for one (and I’m never going back ) but in my space it’s 100% like you describe. I only get contacted by the Finance specialist firms myself but I know there are firms that specialize in CEO searches and technical/industry specific searches like this as well based on searches that were performed at the companies I’ve been with.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Because media … that’s it that’s the tweet

I said legit. His premise is way off.

1. No one in the national media cares enough about SU to comment. And even if they did comment it would be a 24 hour story until the next better story came along. It would be a fart in the wind.

2. Dino has coached 94 games and been a failure. He has lost 5 in a row with several no show blowouts. He is guaranteed a losing ACC record this year and is dead last right now in conference. Who in the heck is going to defend that? What is unfair about those numbers?

 

[pacusewife]

I get the team isn’t doing well and really hasn’t for a few days. Dino definitely is respponsible. But seeing people say they feel like we’re a laughing stock (who is? The team? I’m just a fan and I’ve seen no one pubiclically laughing, and if they are that’s you’re fault.

‘the football teams perfor says nothing aboout me, except that I chose to stand by them thick and then. I listened to much worse on the radio in the 70s, I’m not sure theyre worse than that. But ya know what, until they disband the orogram, I’m there, watching every game, buying gear and sending positive energy.

is Dino out? Probably, is it a good thing, I’ll tell ya when we get the next coach. But all of this butt hut crap about being embarrassed, not going to games ‘til… and the rest of the complaining is crap.

bad plays, bad calls, bad coaching is fine. But these are young men we’d like to see stay at SU. None of this is helping.

I’m there till I’m dead, they will win until they lose and I love SU no matter what. I’m not an alum unfortunately but I makes me wonder how die hard fans can hate so much. Always thought that way.

And no I’m not apologizing for anything, it’s not my place since I’ve never put on a pad for the team. Dungey can, I can’t.

I’m not quitting on them, I’m emotionally invested, which is why I started my post with that disclaimer.

I married into the fandom, didn’t give a squat about football until I was shown the way. Joined here and it feels amazing to be part of something and share it with everyone.

I think you need people in the fanbase so passionate they speak with their investment (or retracting it). We can be good, we have a storied history. Losses happen but losing to a BC team that looked like that wasn’t fun nor acceptable

 

[OHIORANGES]

It is very common for Senior Financial (CFO & Controller) positions. Companies cannot afford to have those positions vacant for any length of time.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Oh BTW did FSU face any backlash for firing Taggart in the middle of his 2nd season? Did Arizona when they fired Sumlin after his 3rd year which was a Covid season that the P12 decided to play at the very last minute? But SU will face backlash for firing Dino after 94 games and a losing 2023 season within the ACC?

 

[Millhouse]

Have you provided one legit reason to not have fired him yet? You have gone on and on without one reason to keep him past this point. There are plenty of benefits to doing it now whether you want to admit it or not. There is no known benefit to waiting.

If you say so, esteemed judge of legit

 

[boog7]

I said legit. His premise is way off.

1. No one in the national media cares enough about SU to comment. And even if they did comment it would be a 24 hour story until the next better story came along. It would be a fart in the wind.

2. Dino has coached 94 games and been a failure. He has lost 5 in a row with several no show blowouts. He is guaranteed a losing ACC record this year and is dead last right now in conference. Who in the heck is going to defend that? What is unfair about those numbers?

Not a damn thing.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If you say so, esteemed judge of legit

Ok so give me an non legit reason then if it is so easy.