If Syracuse gets relegated to the second tier, it won't make a lot of economic sense to continue having football, with all the injury concerns that people here are worried about. Mothball the program and focus on soccer and lacrosse.
See earlier post.
So, ND promoted one of its players for the Heisman 35 years ago.
You make it sound like Notre Dame boosters are pure and noble, your just the same as any big factory when it comes to booster dirty dealing. You know that Syracuse could become a big recruiting problem for ND in the northeast if they could get their program back on track, so it has to be stymied any way possible.
Not at all. I am saying your two "facts" are pretty much bullshit.
Do you think the dirty dealing is done out in the open? Notre Dame football is the most privileged program in the country, every single break of any kind goes your way. Syracuse gets the opposite treatment.
Now bees, you have to understand, the college football world must band together to hold SU down. If not, we would run roughshod over all of college football. We would go undefeated for decades at a time. It would ruin, ruin I tell you, the spectacle that is college football due to the boring nature that would be our foregone national championships from one year to the next.
College football operates with the same ethos as the rest of corporate America. This thread is about what has happened to northeast football, and as I said, there are 2 brands that move the needle in the northeast, Penn State and Syracuse.
Do you think Penn State boosters wouldn't do anything to keep their hold on northeast recruiting? Do you think Notre Dame is any different? If Syracuse can get back to playing winning football, they would take a lot of their better recruits.
Let's be honest here, we had 2 Chancelors who didn't care about the program except for the money coming in.
All that is true, but when Doug said he didn't like recruiting, I think he was directly referring to the Ishaq Williams incident and the shady deal that Notre Dame pulled off at the last minute. And they get away with it because they are Notre Dame. No looking into their program, gawd forbid.
The monetization of our children's youth has been fed on the hopes and dreams of parents feeding into the belief their kid is the next superstar scholarship winning athlete and virtually all sports (swimming, tennis, basketball, soccer, baseball, lax, etc., etc.) now operate on this model.
I would also add the worship of sport itself is a factor. More people now than ever before attach their happiness and self esteem to sport and elevate it higher than anything else in their lives. This gets transferred to their kids for better and worse.
In those days, there was much more football talent produced in the northeast. That talent did not really start to dissipate toward nothing until after 1980, and the full process took 20 years.
Well Chip, it seems like most people here want to avoid the cold, hard truth of what's wrong with northeastern football.
Our school (Bville) had 3 goal keepers on Varsity who all wound up on a D-1 roster at some point. (My son was a sophomore that year.) Two other sophomores, who went D-III, were playing academy soccer. Of course, the coach played his friend's son (who never played college) as keeper, instead.
Since Archbold Stadium was built, it was referred to as "Greatest Athletic Arena in America" and was the largest concrete stadium in the country, Syracuse has competed with the top programs in college football. That continued with the Carrier Dome thru the early 2000's. Now SU is going to fall in the ranks? Just make Syracuse a soccer school and be done with it.
