What happens if Frazier (and Gross) muck this up?

[orange79]

Yes, they are. My bad. Was thinking Orange but misspelled it as S-U-G-A-R. While most projections have Clemson in the Orange Bowl I'm not sure things will work out that way.

Based on current BCS Standings and assuming no upsets in league championship games there are 8 automatic qualifiers for a BCS Bowl.

Six conference champions:
1. Florida State (ACC)
2. Ohio State (Big 10)
3. Auburn (SEC)
4. Oklahoma State (Big 12)
5. Stanford (Pac 12)
6. UCF (AAC)
7. Northern Illinois (Top 16 BCS and ranked higher than an AQ Champion (UCF)
8. Alabama (At large Top 4 with no rep in NC game)

That leaves 2 slots from among Baylor, Michigan St, Clemson and Oregon or Arizona St. to round out the ten BCS spots.

Bowls that have ties with conferences selected to play in National Championship game fill their spots next with Number 1 going first so Orange Bowl has first choice. Hard to believe they wouldn't take Alabama.

Rose Bowl picks next needing a team to pair with Stanford. Tradition and ranking make this a lock for Michigan State leaving one open non-AQ spot.

Orange Bowl then gets the next choice. Possibilities are UCF, Northern Illinois, Baylor / Arizona St., Clemson, and Oregon. To me this comes down to Oregon or Clemson and I've got to think the combination of Nike influence and national appeal might cause the Orange to go for the Ducks.

Last two BCS spots have to go to UCF and Northern Illinois (Rose is filled) and Clemson goes to Atlanta.

I know virtually all expert projections say otherwise but to me this is not an unrealistic scenario that would knock all ACC teams down a rung and further muddy the picture for Cuse.

I could see this happening, but I think that the Orange would feel beholden to the ACC and buck the Nike pressure to take Clemson. Could go either way, but I think if it's a toss-up, Clemson is the pick.

 

[JoeSU]

This article posted last night in the Baltimore Sun talks about the Military Bowl and the ACC slot in it. It looks like Maryland was all set to go there until Syracuse beat BC Saturday. If you read between the lines, it sounds pretty good for the Orangemen.

Maryland's most likely options remain the Military Bowl (Dec. 27 in Annapolis) and the AdvoCare V100 Bowl (Dec. 31 in Shreveport, La.). Representatives from both bowls have scouted the Terps.

The Military Bowl is too close to campus to be considered an exotic experience for players, but it's favored by many alumni and fans because it would be convenient and inexpensive. Many bowl activities will be held in Washington, D.C.

Maryland's Military Bowl prospects dimmed a bit when Syracuse defeated Boston College on Saturday. The victory made the Orange bowl-eligible, adding another team to the mix and complicating the selection process.

"We're in a great spot," Military Bowl president and executive director Steve Beck said in a text message Sunday. "Of course, we have interest in Maryland and think the Terps would enjoy our game. But we're also looking at our other ACC options and are looking forward to a terrific game. It is a good situation to be in."

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I would think the ACC is pushing hard to get Syracuse in this slot. It should be noted that the B1G is taking the other slot in the game effective next year and they are surely doing what they can to get the Terps this bid. But they surely have more leverage with the bowl games they are already affiliated with where there are not enough bowl eligible B1G schools available to fill the slots.

Since Maryland will be responsible for their ticket allotment no matter where the game is played, it helps the UMD athletic dept. if the game is played in Annapolis because the school won't need to eat as many tickets. However, I'm not sure the ACC is feeling very magnanimous towards the Terp admin. these days.

 

[TexanMark]

I could see this happening, but I think that the Orange would feel beholden to the ACC and buck the Nike pressure to take Clemson. Could go either way, but I think if it's a toss-up, Clemson is the pick.

You take Clemson...they'll travel better.

 

[baggerbob]

You take Clemson...they'll travel better.

Unless the Orange has someone like Notre Dame to choose, you take an ACC school, most casual fans could care less about any Pac 12 team outside of USC. Plus you are talking about SEC, and ACC territory, the people who run the orange bowl have to live in the area. That would be like the Cotton taking a Pac 12 team over a Texas or Oklahoma, never would happen.

 

[OrangeChris]

I would think the ACC is pushing hard to get Syracuse in this slot. It should be noted that the B1G is taking the other slot in the game effective next year and they are surely doing what they can to get the Terps this bid. But they surely have more leverage with the bowl games they are already affiliated with where there are not enough bowl eligible B1G schools available to fill the slots.

No, they're not. Starting next season, the Military Bowl will be ACC vs the American Conference.

 

[sutomcat]

Yes, they are. My bad. Was thinking Orange but misspelled it as S-U-G-A-R. While most projections have Clemson in the Orange Bowl I'm not sure things will work out that way.

Based on current BCS Standings and assuming no upsets in league championship games there are 8 automatic qualifiers for a BCS Bowl.

Six conference champions:
1. Florida State (ACC)
2. Ohio State (Big 10)
3. Auburn (SEC)
4. Oklahoma State (Big 12)
5. Stanford (Pac 12)
6. UCF (AAC)
7. Northern Illinois (Top 16 BCS and ranked higher than an AQ Champion (UCF)
8. Alabama (At large Top 4 with no rep in NC game)

That leaves 2 slots from among Baylor, Michigan St, Clemson and Oregon or Arizona St. to round out the ten BCS spots.

Bowls that have ties with conferences selected to play in National Championship game fill their spots next with Number 1 going first so Orange Bowl has first choice. Hard to believe they wouldn't take Alabama.

Rose Bowl picks next needing a team to pair with Stanford. Tradition and ranking make this a lock for Michigan State leaving one open non-AQ spot.

Orange Bowl then gets the next choice. Possibilities are UCF, Northern Illinois, Baylor / Arizona St., Clemson, and Oregon. To me this comes down to Oregon or Clemson and I've got to think the combination of Nike influence and national appeal might cause the Orange to go for the Ducks.

Last two BCS spots have to go to UCF and Northern Illinois (Rose is filled) and Clemson goes to Atlanta.

I know virtually all expert projections say otherwise but to me this is not an unrealistic scenario that would knock all ACC teams down a rung and further muddy the picture for Cuse.

The Orange Bowl owes it continued existence to the long ending and tireless support of the ACC. They are tied together very closely. It would be a really surprising thing if they turned their back on a school like Clemson, that travels extremely well, to take another team, especially one like Oregon, that does not.

 

[sutomcat]

No, they're not. Starting next season, the Military Bowl will be ACC vs the American Conference.

My mistake. They tried to get it but Navy and the ACKKK out maneuvered them. All the better for Syracuse's chances. That Maryland to Detroit idea makes a lot of sense if SU takes the Military.

 

[kirbivore]

The LAST thing Swofford is gonna let happen is for the new kids on the block get screwed in their very first year in the ACC. If anyone gets screed in the ACC it will be Maryland.

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I hope we end up better than BC did in 2005. Went the conference title game and slipped all the way down to the Boise Bowl. That's why the ACC has a one win rule now.

 

[SmilinBob]

Let's hook up with Fort Drum for the Military Bowl. Bring a bunch of Army guys to join their Naval buddies and it's a win win for SU. Love to see SU find a way to hook them up with a nice travel package.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

Don't forget Cuse has that retired vets office in campus where they do a ton of work for... They have conferences all over the country for vets.

 

[upperdeck]

But Maryland would buy tickets to a bowl game in Annapolis...we'll see.

history has shown they dont by bowl tickets for that game and tickets get bought by every team any way dont they? doesnt every bowl have a 5-10k allotment for each team?

 

[BlazeOrange]

I really do not understand the original post here. Herm Frazier said all the correct things in this article -- with emphasis on the fact that it is the ACC that is arranging the ACC bowl representation, not the individual schools. http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...acuse_becomes_bowl_eligible.html#incart_river

SU approach:
Frazier said the Orange have little control over their ultimate destination and that talks will be done between the ACC and each bowl game's committee.
"What we assume is that we'll get placed in one of those other bowls that are an at-large bowl that one of the other conferences could not fill," Frazier said. "That's what we believe will happen at this point. The conference is diligently working to secure one of those spots from us and we'll go from there."

BC approach:
Boston College Athletic Director Brad Bates is actually exploring the possibility of giving up a slot in the I-Bowl; opting instead to play the Dallas-based Heart of Dallas Bowl on New Year's Day. The bowl, played in the historic Cotton Bowl, is supposed to match a Conference USA team up against a Big Ten opponent, but the Big Ten will not be able to fulfill its eight bowl slots this season.
"At this point there are still moving targets but the one thing I can tell you is we are exploring every and all options that serve the Boston College community and the students on the team," said Bates. "Anything that that resonates over those two variables is something we are working with the ACC to try achieve.
"We obviously don't have complete autonomy over the decision but we are trying to position Boston College the best way possible."

Lets see which one works better.

 

[bnoro]

SU approach:
Frazier said the Orange have little control over their ultimate destination and that talks will be done between the ACC and each bowl game's committee.
"What we assume is that we'll get placed in one of those other bowls that are an at-large bowl that one of the other conferences could not fill," Frazier said. "That's what we believe will happen at this point. The conference is diligently working to secure one of those spots from us and we'll go from there."

BC approach:
Boston College Athletic Director Brad Bates is actually exploring the possibility of giving up a slot in the I-Bowl; opting instead to play the Dallas-based Heart of Dallas Bowl on New Year's Day. The bowl, played in the historic Cotton Bowl, is supposed to match a Conference USA team up against a Big Ten opponent, but the Big Ten will not be able to fulfill its eight bowl slots this season.
"At this point there are still moving targets but the one thing I can tell you is we are exploring every and all options that serve the Boston College community and the students on the team," said Bates. "Anything that that resonates over those two variables is something we are working with the ACC to try achieve.
"We obviously don't have complete autonomy over the decision but we are trying to position Boston College the best way possible."

Lets see which one works better.

I would guess that we're doing the same, Frazier just wasn't asked about that in the interview. Grasping at straws to make Frazier look bad.

 

[rrlbees]

SU approach: Frazier said the Orange have little control over their ultimate destination and that talks will be done between the ACC and each bowl game's committee. "What we assume is that we'll get placed in one of those other bowls that are an at-large bowl that one of the other conferences could not fill," Frazier said. "That's what we believe will happen at this point. The conference is diligently working to secure one of those spots from us and we'll go from there." BC approach: Boston College Athletic Director Brad Bates is actually exploring the possibility of giving up a slot in the I-Bowl; opting instead to play the Dallas-based Heart of Dallas Bowl on New Year's Day. The bowl, played in the historic Cotton Bowl, is supposed to match a Conference USA team up against a Big Ten opponent, but the Big Ten will not be able to fulfill its eight bowl slots this season. "At this point there are still moving targets but the one thing I can tell you is we are exploring every and all options that serve the Boston College community and the students on the team," said Bates. "Anything that that resonates over those two variables is something we are working with the ACC to try achieve. "We obviously don't have complete autonomy over the decision but we are trying to position Boston College the best way possible." Lets see which one works better.

Except the person trying to speak for SU has no say. I have NO doubt Gross is engaged and involved just like the BC AD is.

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[Scooch]

Except the person trying to speak for SU has no say. I have NO doubt Gross is engaged and involved just like the BC AD is.

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I don't know why people always, immediately assume the absolute worst.

Does it make any sense that, after scratching and clawing to critically needed bowl eligibility, SU would just concede ALL engagement in the bowl selection process?

 

[TexanMark]

Remember Gross brought us "NY's College Team and billboards in Yankee Stadium and on NYC Taxicabs..." I'm pretty sure he can politic and market us to a bowl.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I don't know why people always, immediately assume the absolute worst.

Does it make any sense that, after scratching and clawing to critically needed bowl eligibility, SU would just concede ALL engagement in the bowl selection process?

You are right that it doesn't make sense, but would you admit that a number of decisions made by the SUAD have not made sense? Also, the comments today from Giansante are different from Frazier's and are what I was hoping would be the approach from SU.

"I would just say by the time this is done, no stone will be left unturned," Giansante said. "Our coaches and student-athletes and fans should know that Dr. Gross is doing everything within his power to work with the people at the ACC to help secure that game, whatever it happens to be."

 

[baggerbob]

There are 35 bowl games, Fox has the Cotton Bowl, CBS the Hyundai Sun Bowl, ABC has the Capital One Bowl, and Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl. The other 31are on one of the ESPN channels, so its in the WWL's best interest to see all eligible ACC teams in a bowl. Whatever strings the conference can't pull ESPN can. The bowls are not like the NCAA tournament, where everyone is considered to have an equal opportunity of getting in.

 

[Scooch]

You are right that it doesn't make sense, but would you admit that a number of decisions made by the SUAD have not made sense? Also, the comments today from Giansante are different from Frazier's and are what I was hoping would be the approach from SU.

"I would just say by the time this is done, no stone will be left unturned," Giansante said. "Our coaches and student-athletes and fans should know that Dr. Gross is doing everything within his power to work with the people at the ACC to help secure that game, whatever it happens to be."

There's a large difference between decisions people disagree with, and being totally disengaged from a process. Has SU given any indication that they are habitually disengaged? Particularly from such a critically important matter? I haven't seen that.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'd offer the following: planning on moving the court for the Duke game after collecting season ticket money, moving the USC game to MetLife without saying the real reason for the move, the incredible lack of marketing for football, and the total dismissal of "low-level" donors. Not to mention the IPF, which SU insists is on schedule, but actually hasn't even started.

 

[bnoro]

I'd offer the following: planning on moving the court for the Duke game after collecting season ticket money, moving the USC game to MetLife without saying the real reason for the move, the incredible lack of marketing for football, and the total dismissal of "low-level" donors. Not to mention the IPF, which SU insists is on schedule, but actually hasn't even started.

Moving the court for the Duke game makes no sense at all. I'm not surprised they didn't do it. Who wants to go to a great game like that when not one person in the dome has a good seat?

The rest of the stuff you are over exaggerating.

 

[Scooch]

I'd offer the following: planning on moving the court for the Duke game after collecting season ticket money, moving the USC game to MetLife without saying the real reason for the move, the incredible lack of marketing for football, and the total dismissal of "low-level" donors. Not to mention the IPF, which SU insists is on schedule, but actually hasn't even started.

Well, they didn't move the court, did they? And there's reasons to not have planned to do it before season tix were purchased, like not knowing the date it was going to be played on then. Had the ACC put it on a Wednesday that'd probably be a non-starter from the get-go.

The other things are simply decisions or tactics you disagree with, not a failure of the AD to engage.

 

[upperdeck]

Moving the court for the Duke game makes no sense at all. I'm not surprised they didn't do it. Who wants to go to a great game like that when not one person in the dome has a good seat?

The rest of the stuff you are over exaggerating.

really not one person has a good seat? there are going to be 15k who have a bad seat at the game now. i dont moving to mid field makes every seat bad. it seems to work for final four games and those seats are way worse than whats in the dome. if you run the court the long way you probably end up with 20K of OK seats and 30K of seats better than the last 10k are going to get now..

funny how NHL hockey is going to have 100K show up for an outdoor game where not one person can see the puck and that doesnt seem to be an issue.