What has happened with MCW?

[stuckinbig11]

Is he injured? Does he not fit in with the Bucks? Has he lost it? His numbers have been rather poor lately.

 

[skurey]

He's not very good at basketball

 

[Tobias Funke]

He's not very good at basketball

He is averaging 12.4 pts. 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals in his last 10 games in the NBA on a playoff team. Definitely not amazing, but to say he isn't good at basketball just makes you look like a hater. He will never be a great shooter and as long as he is moving the ball around well, and playing decent D, i would say he is doing just fine. Anyone who expected him to put up equal or better numbers on the Bucks as he did on the lowly Sixers is crazy. Hopefully he plays well in the post season.

 

[Henny & Coke]

Just 3 games ago he had 13 points (on 11 shots), 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals (!), and only 2 turnovers in 29 mins in win against the Pacers.

But yeah, he def hasn't been playing great lately. Still only 20 games into being on a completely new team though, acquired mid-season without any practice time with new players/coaches. I'd give him some rope.

 

[phillydad]

Is he injured? Does he not fit in with the Bucks? Has he lost it? His numbers have been rather poor lately.

I wish I could tell you but besides seeing his Bucks debut vs the Sixers I have not seen him play. I went from witnessing his frosh breakout performance vs STJ, watching every game in the FF year, to seeing him almost every game with the Sixers for a year and a half to the trade. I am not saying he was the long term PG answer for the Sixers but at least he was someone who kept my interest. I have been a Sixers fan for 50 years but have barely watched a game since the trade. Glenn Robinson III? Ish Smith? Thanks, but no thanks.
I hope Hinkie knows what he is doing.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Seems like Kidd is trying to tweak his game (more post-up plays) and right now the Bucks don't have a good shooting line-up, which hurts as he's a guy who can do a lot of damage with shooters surrounding him. It's going to be a little bumpy for MCW, but it also seems as though the Bucks see him as a key piece moving forward

 

[Millhouse]

Is he injured? Does he not fit in with the Bucks? Has he lost it? His numbers have been rather poor lately.

you gotta be able to shoot, he's not any good at it

has syracuse ever had a guard shoot the ball even average in the NBA post Bing? i guess flynn

can we get some specialist shooting coaches in, even if it's just seminars/clinics?

 

[CusefanATL]

He is averaging 12.4 pts. 5 assists, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals in his last 10 games in the NBA on a playoff team. Definitely not amazing, but to say he isn't good at basketball just makes you look like a hater. He will never be a great shooter and as long as he is moving the ball around well, and playing decent D, i would say he is doing just fine. Anyone who expected him to put up equal or better numbers on the Bucks as he did on the lowly Sixers is crazy. Hopefully he plays well in the post season.

He played 21 minutes last night.

Something is up with him.

 

[Melancer46]

As a Bucks fan, he's been very disappointing lately (with the exception of that Pacers game that someone pointed out). This last game was just dreadful though. Granted he arrived at the arena just in time to play because of his grandfather's funeral, but it was just brutal. Instead of turning it over due to teammates dropping passes or trying to thread the needle, it was simply dribbling off his feet, dribbling out of bounds, driving with the ball completely exposed, etc. He was benched for Jerryd Bayless, who has been a -100 in the last 14 or so games.

 

[Tobias Funke]

He played 21 minutes last night.

Something is up with him.

not questioning that. just the notion that one poster had that he isn't good at basketball.

 

[Melancer46]

not questioning that. just the notion that one poster had that he isn't good at basketball.

To be fair, that's what a ton of Bucks fans believe to be true right now as well (not me).

 

[Brooky03]

you gotta be able to shoot, he's not any good at it

has syracuse ever had a guard shoot the ball even average in the NBA post Bing? i guess flynn

Assuming 'specialist shooting coaches' exist other than formerly great shooters cashing in on ther reputation, what would they accomplish? Muscle memory is a hell of a thing to try to change. You can't just give a player a few reminders about form to change the way he's shot a basketball literally tens of thousands of times. Tim Tebow wasn't going to throw a football any differently no matter who coached him.

Dion Waiters isn't a bad shooter in the NBA, btw. He's not a model of efficiency, but he'll likely end his career in the low 40% FG range and low 30% 3FG range. Not great, but not bad either. We don't send a ton of guards (or players in general) to the NBA for long stints. So it's easy to say we haven't sent many guards who are above average shooters to the NBA when we haven't sent many guards to the NBA, period.

 

[Melancer46]

Assuming 'specialist shooting coaches' exist other than formerly great shooters cashing in on ther reputation, what would they accomplish? Muscle memory is a hell of a thing to try to change. You can't just give a player a few reminders about form to change the way he's shot a basketball literally tens of thousands of times. Tim Tebow wasn't going to throw a football any differently no matter who coached him.

Dion Waiters isn't a bad shooter in the NBA, btw. He's not a model of efficiency, but he'll likely end his career in the low 40% FG range and low 30% 3FG range. Not great, but not bad either. We don't send a ton of guards (or players in general) to the NBA for long stints. So it's easy to say we haven't sent many guards who are above average shooters to the NBA when we haven't sent many guards to the NBA, period.

No, that is in fact very bad, especially for someone that doesn't really do anything outside of scoring.

 

[Brooky03]

No, that is in fact very bad, especially for someone that doesn't really do anything outside of scoring.

His defense is solid. So he does do things other than scoring. And those numbers are far from bad for what he is. He's a volume scorer off the bench who can get hot, not a starting SG. He's also a big body who can get in the paint and attack bigs, which there aren't a lot of at SG in the NBA.

I was being conservative with the numbers. Those numbers are assuming absolutely no improvement over the course of his career, which is shaping up to be 10+ years.

 

[Knicks411]

His defense is solid. So he does do things other than scoring. And those numbers are far from bad for what he is. He's a volume scorer off the bench who can get hot, not a starting SG. He's also a big body who can get in the paint and attack bigs, which there aren't a lot of at SG in the NBA.

I was also being conservative with the number. Those numbers are assuming absolutely no improvement over the course of his career, which is shaping up to be 10+ years.

Right now I'd take the under on a 10 plus year career for Dion. His defense; I don't think it grades out that well either. He's in his third season; his true shooting has cracked 50% (which btw is pretty terrible) one time. Career 48.7%. He's a very poor shooter.

 

[Brooky03]

Right now I'd take the under on a 10 plus year career for Dion. His defense; I don't think it grades out that well either. He's in his third season; his true shooting has cracked 50% (which btw is pretty terrible) one time. Career 48.7%. He's a very poor shooter.

45% inside the arc and 32% outside the arc. Again, these numbers aren't great, but they're far from "very poor." When you take into account the fact that this recent season appears to be an uncharacteristically down year for him and the small sample size, bumping up those percentages a few points would not require any remarkable change to his shooting. Give me a backup SG dropping 47% of his 2-point attempts and 35% of his 3's and I'd be a happy coach/GM/owner.

 

[longislandcuse]

No, that is in fact very bad, especially for someone that doesn't really do anything outside of scoring.

I cringe when I watch Waiters shoot a 3 but his defense is actually very strong.

As for MCW, i'm interested to see how he looks in a Playoff Series. The team was playing way over their heads and most Bucks fans will admit that, they were due to come back to earth at some point plus they obviously don't have a main weapon in Jabari Parker.

 

[Knicks411]

45% inside the arc and 32% outside the arc. Again, these numbers aren't great, but they're far from "very poor." When you take into account the fact that this recent season appears to be an uncharacteristically down year for him and the small sample size, bumping up those percentages a few points would not require any remarkable change to his shooting. Give me a backup SG dropping 47% of his 2-point attempts and 35% of his 3's and I'd be a happy coach/GM/owner.

What is your standard for very poor then?

ESPN has 45 shooting guards who have taken enough shots (i think thats the standard) to qualify, he ranks 44th in 3 point %. 20 guys who have taken enough 2's, he's 17th there.

Yeah this is a bad year, even for him, but what are you standards for shooting that a guy with a career true shooting below 50% isn't very poor?

 

[Tobias Funke]

To be fair, that's what a ton of Bucks fans believe to be true right now as well (not me).

I guess i was taking the unconventional approach of assuming that a guy who won ROY(albeit in a down class) and is on an NBA playoff squad playing meaningful minutes does not fit into the "he is not very good at basketball" category. I know people make outlandish comments but i just thought that was a particularly stupid statement by that poster.

 

[Brooky03]

What is your standard for very poor then?

ESPN has 45 shooting guards who have taken enough shots (i think thats the standard) to qualify, he ranks 44th in 3 point %. 20 guys who have taken enough 2's, he's 17th there.

Yeah this is a bad year, even for him, but what are you standards for shooting that a guy with a career true shooting below 50% isn't very poor?

Those number are just for this season, correct? This is his worst NBA year and he switched teams mid-season. I'd expect his numbers to suck. That said, 17th certainly can't be considered poor and, while his 3pt shooting is poor this season, it was good/average last season. So, whether or not he's a good/average shooter probably depends on whether you think this season or last season is indicative of his ability. It also depends on if you think he's at or near his ceiling.

Edit: I didn't see that the 2pt % was only out of 20. Yes, that's poor. Where did he rank last season?

 

[Knicks411]

Those number are just for this season, correct? This is his worst NBA year and he switched teams mid-season. I'd expect his numbers to suck. That said, 17th certainly can't be considered poor and, while his 3pt shooting is poor this season, it was good/average last season. So, whether or not he's a good/average shooter probably depends on whether you think this season or last season is indicative of his ability. It also depends on if you think he's at or near his ceiling.

Edit: I didn't see that the 2pt % was only out of 20. Yes, that's poor. Where did he rank last season?

I don't know why only 20 guys took enough 2's at the 2 guard spot to qualify, seems low.

Last year, in his good season, Dion ranked 26th out of 52 2 guards in 3 point %, and was 21st out of 29 in 2 point. The year before, he was 20th out of 22 for 2 pt, and 46th out of 49 for 3 point%.

He's been a poor shooter.

 

[Millhouse]

Assuming 'specialist shooting coaches' exist other than formerly great shooters cashing in on ther reputation, what would they accomplish? Muscle memory is a hell of a thing to try to change. You can't just give a player a few reminders about form to change the way he's shot a basketball literally tens of thousands of times. Tim Tebow wasn't going to throw a football any differently no matter who coached him.

Dion Waiters isn't a bad shooter in the NBA, btw. He's not a model of efficiency, but he'll likely end his career in the low 40% FG range and low 30% 3FG range. Not great, but not bad either. We don't send a ton of guards (or players in general) to the NBA for long stints. So it's easy to say we haven't sent many guards who are above average shooters to the NBA when we haven't sent many guards to the NBA, period.

low 30s sucks

 

[Millhouse]

I don't know why only 20 guys took enough 2's at the 2 guard spot to qualify, seems low.

Last year, in his good season, Dion ranked 26th out of 52 2 guards in 3 point %, and was 21st out of 29 in 2 point. The year before, he was 20th out of 22 for 2 pt, and 46th out of 49 for 3 point%.

He's been a poor shooter.

you get jettisoned to china or bakersfield well before you qualify?

 

[Brooky03]

I don't know why only 20 guys took enough 2's at the 2 guard spot to qualify, seems low.

Last year, in his good season, Dion ranked 26th out of 52 2 guards in 3 point %, and was 21st out of 29 in 2 point. The year before, he was 20th out of 22 for 2 pt, and 46th out of 49 for 3 point%.

He's been a poor shooter.

Going by last season, he's an average 3pt shooter and a poor 2pt shooter. I'm surprised to see the number of players who qualify for the 2pt% ranking so low, also. It means that the NBA has a lot of SG's who jack 3's and don't venture into the paint unless they have to. It looks like Dion needs to work on his ability to finish at the rim.

From a stictly shooting standpoint, a middle-of-the-pack 37% from deep would seem to suggest that he can shoot. Is last season more indicative of his shooting, is this season more indicative, or is the answer somewhere inbetween? I don't know; we'll have to wait and see.

From the small sample size so far, and giving consideration to the fact that one season is his rookie year (typically one of the most inefficient seasons in a career), and the other is a season in which he had chemistry issues and got traded, I'm obviously leaning towards the argument that last season's numbers are closer to what we can expect from Waiters going forward. I don't think the summation of last year's numbers would constitute 'poor' shooting.

 

[Knicks411]

Going by last season, he's an average 3pt shooter and a poor 2pt shooter. I'm surprised to see the number of players who qualify for the 2pt% ranking so low, also. It means that the NBA has a lot of SG's who jack 3's and don't venture into the paint unless they have to. It looks like Dion needs to work on his ability to finish at the rim.

From a stictly shooting standpoint, a middle-of-the-pack 37% from deep would seem to suggest that he can shoot. Is last season more indicative of his shooting, is this season more indicative, or is the answer somewhere inbetween? I don't know; we'll have to wait and see.

From the small sample size so far, and giving considerationt to the fact the one season is his rookie year (typically one of the most inefficient seasons in a career), and the other is a season in which he had chemistry issues and got traded, I'm obviously leaning towards the argument that last season's numbers are closer to what we can expect from Waiters going forward. I don't think the summation of last year's numbers would constitute 'poor' shooting.

I think you're focusing too much on the 36.8% he shot last year from 3. He shot 31% as a rookie and he's at 28% this year. Those also count.

But whatever, we'll see.