What I'm hearing

[OrangeDW]

We had to literally adjust the zone because the top can’t keep the ball out of the middle but every time the centers don’t cover the wing at a timeout the bigs are getting yelled at.

Jesse Edwards shouldn’t get picked on at press conferences.
Again certain players are teflon and others are fair game.

Criticizing the centers for defense was absolutely absurd.

Our guards were absolutely horrific defensively which is why we’ve mostly sucked for the last 3 years. Last year we had a guard that could defend in the mix. 2020 and 2022 though? Two worst SU teams I’ve ever seen, and the defense up top was the primary reason.

Be a little more macro in those comments, Coach.

 

[Consigliere]

I totally agree. Pay the stud coach a large sum. It is the only way. Hiring from within will not work.


Good one. How about some this century?

Sorry. Thought the dozen or so that others named answered your question pretty well. Now name struggling P5 programs that have been immediately revived by an outside hire.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I guess we should enjoy being BC/Pitt and embrace the bubble years we are good enough to challenge for an at large.

 

[Cuse181]

When has JB ever said anything tough criticism publicly about Buddy?

Jesse can get tough love publicly but Buddy can’t?

First off he shouldn’t rip any kid publicly but if he won’t rip some kids at all then shut up about our best player.

It would appear that’s right. I’d also argue that one has tons of potential that still needs to be tapped while another is the most he is capable of being. I’d also argue that the nepotism criticism like what oozes on this board is a good enough motivator for Buddy to bust his ass.

 

[ORRange]

No offense, but I wish the board would stop this sht. It’s what the football board did with Sean Tucker. It makes no sense why this stuff has started here.

Apples and oranges. Tucker was never treated like Jesse or Kadary. The predecent was already set with Richmond. To ignore it might not happen is sticking our heads in the sand like an ostritch. It's certainly a possibility.

 

[Alsacs]

It would appear that’s right. I’d also argue that one has tons of potential that still needs to be tapped while another is the most he is capable of being. I’d also argue that the nepotism criticism like what oozes on this board is a good enough motivator for Buddy to bust his ass.

Yelling at Jeese because he didn’t cover the corner fast enough is not tapping his potential.

Ignoring another player’s mistakes but not another isn’t what you say.

This isn’t 1992 you just can’t yell at players in press conferences.

Buddy is solid player who is completely overused.

His MPG for 3 years should have never been the plan when he was recruited here. That is on the HC.

Thank goodness for last year’s postseason run. It counts and matters a lot.

The other 2 years have been among the worst regular seasons in JB’s tenure.

Why? We had no other options to play at the position. It’s insane to go into a season with no depth. Just because these are kids and may struggle. Of course this HC doesn’t think if a player is struggling maybe I should sub him and have an option that can help.
You know like we had in 2003 when Josh Pace wasn’t playing a lot and came off the bench in 2003 against Oklahoma State and helped turn that game around.

Everyone knew Pace wasn’t going to play every game like that but to have an actual bench piece you could sub for your better player struggling.
GMac and Carmelo sat for 8 minutes that game.

JB can’t even do that with a clear inferior player.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Apples and oranges. Tucker was never treated like Jesse or Kadary. The predecent was already set with Richmond. To ignore it might not happen is sticking our heads in the sand like an ostritch. It's certainly a possibility.

It’s the same thing. This exact post was made on the football board almost word for word multiple times. It’s our fans starting rumors.

And last I checked Edwards never had a player that was not as good as him playing instead of him so it’s not like Richmond at all.

 

[bpo57]

U douba kicked the crap outa Oregon. Hop's the guy to coach the Orange.

Yeah that clinched it for me.

 

[Bayside44]

Sorry. Thought the dozen or so that others named answered your question pretty well. Now name struggling P5 programs that have been immediately revived by an outside hire.

Took Tony Bennett to his third season at UVa. UVa was also in a much deeper hole than we are.

 

[Alsacs]

It’s the same thing. This exact post was made on the football board almost word for word multiple times. It’s our fans starting rumors.

And last I checked Edwards never had a player that was not as good as him playing instead of him so it’s not like Richmond at all.

I never made the post for Tucker because that was one guy just trying to make a prediction.
Tucker never gets ripped publicly and he was appreciated.

I don’t think Jesse would transfer but I wouldn’t blame if he was in his room and was like enough of this chit I can go pretty much anywhere I want.

Jesse wouldn’t do that but I wouldn’t blame him. It’s not the exactly the same.

Hell Tom Brady didn’t feel appreciated enough when he left the Patriots.

That stuff matters. Jesse is likely coming back because getting the degree here I would think would matter.

 

[ORRange]

It’s the same thing. This exact post was made on the football board almost word for word multiple times. It’s our fans starting rumors.

And last I checked Edwards never had a player that was not as good as him playing instead of him so it’s not like Richmond at all.

Agree to disagree, not the same at all. Pressers.

 

[Bayside44]

Apples and oranges. Tucker was never treated like Jesse or Kadary. The predecent was already set with Richmond. To ignore it might not happen is sticking our heads in the sand like an ostritch. It's certainly a possibility.

Kadary work ethic was at question here - and Goodman in one of those pods reported the same concerns from staff at Seton Hall.

Coach is gonna be hard on guys not hitting their ceilings, esp underclassmen. It's always been that way.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I never made the post for Tucker because that was one guy just trying to make a prediction.
Tucker never gets ripped publicly and he was appreciated.

I don’t think Jesse would transfer but I wouldn’t blame if he was in his room and was like enough of this chit I can go pretty much anywhere I want.

Jesse wouldn’t do that but I wouldn’t blame him. It’s not the exactly the same.

Hell Tom Brady didn’t feel appreciated enough when he left the Patriots.

That stuff matters. Jesse is likely coming back because getting the degree here I would think would matter.

Whatever. Now it’s semantics. I still think it’s dumb. Now our fans are chicken littling the basketball program SMH.

Literally nobody has heard this. That’s the point.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Agree to disagree, not the same at all. Pressers.

I hate JB’s pressers, but that’s the only things fans see.

 

[SWC75]

I don't think I've ever "unliked" one of your posts, but this was the first. Come on now, talk about hyperbole. Let's try to be somewhat sensible around here.

Just summarizing some of the conclusions about things we can't possibly know yet that I am reading here. They need to be recognized as hyperbole.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Kadary work ethic was at question here - and Goodman in one of those pods reported the same concerns from staff at Seton Hall.

Coach is gonna be hard on guys not hitting their ceilings, esp underclassmen. It's always been that way.

If anything we have a good rebuttal if someone is thinking of transferring. Just look at how worse our former players career prospects look.

 

[Bayside44]

I hate JB’s pressers, but that’s the only things fans see.

Boeheim had 6K views on YouTube after UNC and 12K views after Duke. It's not exactly the last episode of M*A*S*H.

I'm amazed how literal people take those things like JB isn't in these kids ears all week long. And somehow these other coaches across America are some kind of warm cuddly blanket.

I just clicked Dana Altman after a loss - in two minutes he mentioned two kids couldn't guard a guy, he drew up a right play but the guy missed a shot, and Quincy was out of position...it's just who these guys are.

 

[SWC75]

Which is what was meant by “Quadirs buy in”. Perhaps the staff would prefer 3 years of QC over 1 year of Judah ?

Benny Williams was the #32 recruit in the country per 247. It was suggested that he'd be a "one and done". Judah Mintz is #53 and we need to consider him a one-and-done in making these decisions.

This is exactly what I'm talking about: people declaring things they can't possibly know. Quadir might beat out Judah, as Joe did Jalen Carey and Brycen Goodine. And how do we know he's going to be here three years?

Basketball recruiting used to be carpentry: recruit four years players based upon their ability and how they'd fit into your system, wind 'em up and let them at the other teams. Now it's more like poker: a new hand is dealt each year and you have to put together a team with the pieces you've got. We should recruit as many options as possible and if guys leave, they leave.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Our society has evolved that even truth is seen as mean. Jesse has committed silly fouls and isn’t strong enough, yet

No, it was his habit of criticizing Jesse for not covering corner shooters well enough, when Jimmy wasn't covering anyone at all. It was the criticism of players who are not his sons, when his sons had crap games that would rub someone the wrong way.

 

[ORRange]

Just summarizing some of the conclusions about things we can't possibly know yet that I am reading here. They need to be recognized as hyperbole.

Well, pointing out that Jesse has options other than returning here is not hyperbole. It's a fact he has options especially in this age of the portal. Coaches have to change with the times and realize that their existing players have to be treated differently than when the players had to sit out a year.

 

[Cuse181]

Well, pointing out that Jesse has options other than returning here is not hyperbole. It's a fact he has options especially in this age of the portal. Coaches have to change with the times and realize that their existing players have to be treated differently than when the players had to sit out a year.

he’s not transferring, simple as that

 

[OrangeDW]

Well, pointing out that Jesse has options other than returning here is not hyperbole. It's a fact he has options especially in this age of the portal. Coaches have to change with the times and realize that their existing players have to be treated differently than when the players had to sit out a year.

Well, every good player in the country has options.

Maybe a good team’s best returning player will randomly transfer to Syracuse? It’s literally the same possibility as Edwards transferring out.

 

[Toga]

No, it was his habit of criticizing Jesse for not covering corner shooters well enough, when Jimmy wasn't covering anyone at all. It was the criticism of players who are not his sons, when his sons had crap games that would rub someone the wrong way.

Expecting your center to cover their guy at the foul line, cover shooters in the corner and rebound is a recipe for having something to complain about.

 

[Melancer46]

The problem with having very good athletes for the zone is that you still have to score. In todays game that means being able to shoot the 3 and more. Put the 2 together and you have a very special requirement: Being able to shoot, pass, handle, as well as being long and athletic. Good luck.

I wouldn’t really say this is true. It’s really no different than man to man: you just need to have a certain baseline of athleticism to make it work but if you’re not an elite athlete you have to rely on intelligence to be good. Cooney obviously was not an elite athlete but he was very good in the zone for us. Likewise, you can find relatively mediocre athletes that have been good man to man defenders. Unfortunately we’ve built our roster around guys that don’t have relatively mediocre athleticism. 4 of our 5 starters have poor athleticism.

 

[rrlbees]

Expecting your center to cover their guy at the foul line, cover shooters in the corner and rebound is a recipe for having something to complain about.

Except our centers aren’t asked to do all that each possession. Everything is based on the zones rotations. Why don’t our centers try to covert he corner 3 all the time? They don’t. But at times they are depending on many factors in the zone.