What teams classify a...

[SUfanNC]

blue blood?

Was listening to sports talk in Charlotte and they were listing what teams they thought a blue blood would be?

How much does history and then current success play into it?

 

[acuse816]

In my opinion, and in no particular order: UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky. Maybe Indiana.

 

[Trueblue25]

Unc, duke, uk, nova, kansas

 

[cuseinseattle]

I think of duke, unc, Ku, uk. It’s less about success level and more about being a protected class

 

[OrangeDW]

I think of duke, unc, Ku, uk. It’s less about success level and more about being a protected class

Yes, agreed. Those 4.

UCLA and Indiana used to be, but not anymore.

 

[Briancuse]

Unc, duke, uk, nova, kansas

Nova is not a blue blood.

 

[Trueblue25]

Nova is not a blue blood.

I’d argue they’re nearer the conversation, if not in, than Indiana and Ucla.

 

[Briancuse]

I’d argue they’re nearer the conversation, if not in, than Indiana and Ucla.

They are in the next group with us mich st Arizona lville.

 

[SUfanNC]

why Kansas? Not saying I don't agree btw

 

[Trueblue25]

They are in the next group with us mich st Arizona lville.

How do you figure that when they have 3 national championships and have secured reasonable foreseeable future success with jay wright

 

[OrangeDW]

How do you figure that when they have 3 national championships and have secured reasonable foreseeable future success with jay wright

They’ve never really been a consistent program.

I mean, they went 13-19 in 2012. Before the last 5 years nobody would’ve dreamed of calling them anything more than a top 25-30 or so program historically.

Blue bloods aren’t made in 5 great years.

Otherwise Florida would’ve become one a decade ago.

 

[Trueblue25]

They’ve never really been a consistent program.

I mean, they went 13-19 in 2012. Before the last 5 years nobody would’ve dreamed of calling them anything more than a top 25-30 or so program historically.

Blue bloods aren’t made in 5 great years.

Otherwise Florida would’ve become one a decade ago.

I guess id put it this way then:

UNC Duke UK
Kansas
Nova
Syracuse Louisville
MSU, Florida
Indiana, UCLA, UofA
Uconn

 

[Trueblue25]

For the record, Kansas has benefitted tremendously from a historically weak big 12, especially in the 2000s

 

[Eric15]

I know their Fab Five accomplishments have been vacated, but I still think Michigan should be considered as a “second-tier” blue blood.

 

[Briancuse]

How do you figure that when they have 3 national championships and have secured reasonable foreseeable future success with jay wright

They have been a good program not a blue blood. They didn't win a whole lot between 85 and when jay took over. They only have been to 4 final fours I believe.

 

[Doc5120]

I think Duke, UNC, UK, KU are tier one. MSU, Louisville, SU, AZ, Indiana and UCLA are tier 2. My list is in no particular order.

 

[Alsacs]

Duke/Kentucky/North Carolina/Kansas are blue bloods.

Louisville/Indiana/UCLA/UConn/Michigan State/Arizona/Villanova/Syracuse/Michigan/Florida are the next tier.

We really need a second title.

 

[Forloveoforange]

North Carolina, Duke, Kentucky, and maybe the other Kentucky school Louisville. I think the powers that be like to keep it to those 2 states. Maybe add Kansas.

 

[SBU72]

In my opinion, and in no particular order: UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky. Maybe Indiana.

You forgot the Blue Man Group. They play in Los Vegas.

 

[Cuseball]

In the Modern Era (since Tournament expanded in 1985) here are my tiers: If you look before 1985 UCLA and Indiana make some moves up the ladder. Cuse!

Tier 1:

• Duke 34 NCAA bids; 97 Tournament wins; 25 Sweet Sixteen’s; 16 Elite Eights; 12 Final Fours; 5 Titles; 1 losing season
• UNC 32 NCAA bids; 91 Tournament wins; 23 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 11 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kentucky 30 NCAA bids; 83 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kansas 34 NCAA bids; 85 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 15 Elite Eights; 9 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 0 losing season

Tier 2:

• Michigan State 29 NCAA bids; 59 Tournament wins; 16 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 2 losing seasons
• Uconn 20 NCAA bids; 53 Tournament wins; 13 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Arizona 32 NCAA bids; 54 Tournament wins; 17 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Syracuse 28 NCAA bids; 55 Tournament wins; 15 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Florida 22 NCAA bids; 47 Tournament wins; 11 Sweet Sixteen’s; 9 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• UCLA 26 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 14 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Michigan 21 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 7 losing seasons
• Villanova 23 NCAA bids; 41 Tournament wins; 8 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Louisville 24 NCAA bids; 39 Tournament wins; 12 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 3 losing seasons
• Tier 3:
• Indiana 25 NCAA bids; 35 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 3 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Gonzaga 22 NCAA bids; 34 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 1 losing seasons
• Maryland 21 NCAA bids; 33 Tournament wins; 9 Sweet Sixteen’s; 2 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Virginia 18 NCAA bids; 22 Tournament wins; 5 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 7 losing seasons

 

[SUfanNC]

In the Modern Era (since Tournament expanded in 1985) here are my tiers: If you look before 1985 UCLA and Indiana make some moves up the ladder. Cuse!

Tier 1:

• Duke 34 NCAA bids; 97 Tournament wins; 25 Sweet Sixteen’s; 16 Elite Eights; 12 Final Fours; 5 Titles; 1 losing season
• UNC 32 NCAA bids; 91 Tournament wins; 23 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 11 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kentucky 30 NCAA bids; 83 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kansas 34 NCAA bids; 85 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 15 Elite Eights; 9 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 0 losing season

Tier 2:

• Michigan State 29 NCAA bids; 59 Tournament wins; 16 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 2 losing seasons
• Uconn 20 NCAA bids; 53 Tournament wins; 13 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Arizona 32 NCAA bids; 54 Tournament wins; 17 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Syracuse 28 NCAA bids; 55 Tournament wins; 15 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Florida 22 NCAA bids; 47 Tournament wins; 11 Sweet Sixteen’s; 9 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• UCLA 26 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 14 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Michigan 21 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 7 losing seasons
• Villanova 23 NCAA bids; 41 Tournament wins; 8 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Louisville 24 NCAA bids; 39 Tournament wins; 12 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 3 losing seasons
• Tier 3:
• Indiana 25 NCAA bids; 35 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 3 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Gonzaga 22 NCAA bids; 34 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 1 losing seasons
• Maryland 21 NCAA bids; 33 Tournament wins; 9 Sweet Sixteen’s; 2 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Virginia 18 NCAA bids; 22 Tournament wins; 5 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 7 losing seasons

This is exactly what I was looking for. I thinks this makes it clear. If MSU wins a title does this change their standing?

Personally I think they stay in tier2 but on the verge of 1 and with a few more years if they keep it up could be in the 1 tier

 

[Cuseball]

This is exactly what I was looking for. I thinks this makes it clear. If MSU wins a title does this change their standing?

Personally I think they stay in tier2 but on the verge of 1 and with a few more years if they keep it up could be in the 1 tier

Agree with you completely. I think they close the gap but still Tier 2 behind the Big Four. Interesting mix in Tier 2. I place uconn ahead of us because of titles but they have had a lot of mediocre or losing seasons.

I have Nova behind us do to this same reason, but you could make an argument that Titles trump the down years.

Regardless, it seems pretty clear the lines between the tiers in this time period.

Cuse!

 

[SUfanNC]

On the radio they were making the titles point but I do think losing seasons clearly defines the differences. It shows consistencies. I think wins in the tournament also define the difference. I would love a few more titles for us (for obvious reasons) but I think we could climb into the tier 1 as well.

 

[Alsacs]

In the Modern Era (since Tournament expanded in 1985) here are my tiers: If you look before 1985 UCLA and Indiana make some moves up the ladder. Cuse!

Tier 1:

• Duke 34 NCAA bids; 97 Tournament wins; 25 Sweet Sixteen’s; 16 Elite Eights; 12 Final Fours; 5 Titles; 1 losing season
• UNC 32 NCAA bids; 91 Tournament wins; 23 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 11 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kentucky 30 NCAA bids; 83 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 17 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 1 losing season
• Kansas 34 NCAA bids; 85 Tournament wins; 22 Sweet Sixteen’s; 15 Elite Eights; 9 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 0 losing season

Tier 2:

• Michigan State 29 NCAA bids; 59 Tournament wins; 16 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 8 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 2 losing seasons
• Uconn 20 NCAA bids; 53 Tournament wins; 13 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 4 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Arizona 32 NCAA bids; 54 Tournament wins; 17 Sweet Sixteen’s; 10 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Syracuse 28 NCAA bids; 55 Tournament wins; 15 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 0 losing seasons
• Florida 22 NCAA bids; 47 Tournament wins; 11 Sweet Sixteen’s; 9 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 2 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• UCLA 26 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 14 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Michigan 21 NCAA bids; 46 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 7 Elite Eights; 5 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 7 losing seasons
• Villanova 23 NCAA bids; 41 Tournament wins; 8 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 4 Final Fours; 3 Titles; 6 losing seasons
• Louisville 24 NCAA bids; 39 Tournament wins; 12 Sweet Sixteen’s; 6 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 3 losing seasons
• Tier 3:
• Indiana 25 NCAA bids; 35 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 3 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Gonzaga 22 NCAA bids; 34 Tournament wins; 10 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 1 losing seasons
• Maryland 21 NCAA bids; 33 Tournament wins; 9 Sweet Sixteen’s; 2 Elite Eights; 2 Final Fours; 1 Titles; 4 losing seasons
• Virginia 18 NCAA bids; 22 Tournament wins; 5 Sweet Sixteen’s; 4 Elite Eights; 1 Final Fours; 0 Titles; 7 losing seasons

Just like Syracuse is 1990 Lax champion even if the NCAA stripped it I would give Louisville their title in 2013.

The NCAA is stupid when they vacate wins. Just like JB has 1000+ wins no matter what the NCAA says.

 

[Cuseball]

Just like Syracuse is 1990 Lax champion even if the NCAA stripped it I would give Louisville their title in 2013.

The NCAA is stupid when they vacate wins. Just like JB has 1000+ wins no matter what the NCAA says.

yep good point. Ville looks a lot better if they have those 6 wins and another title