When Benny finally figures it out…

[Nicknack]

Like many, I've been worried that Benny may hit the portal after the season. Thinking more about this though, why? Provided that the Boeheim brothers (or at least the older one) doesn't return, what's the point? He should get plenty of run next year. The only thing that I can think of that would lead him to find another program is he doesn't like how he's being utilized (i.e. Quincy), which I don't see fitting or that he doesn't see starting next year (i.e. Kadary), but that too, I don't see happening either. Therefore, the only thing I can think of at this point which might lead him away from Cuse is a conflict with the head coach, which I hope isn't the case and sort of doubt.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I think the last couple of years of high school player rankings are jacked up due to Covid.

 

[jsshap]

Where did Tyus Battle improve over 3 years?
The fact you can’t understand the point isn’t my fault. You don’t want to comprehend the point instead you want to white knight and yell at people you disagree without proving anything.

Battle’s usage increased from his freshman year to sophomore and junior years.
More shots and minutes increased his production. That isn’t player development.
Please explain how he got better beyond more usage?

You can’t even decipher what is being said before trying to fight somebody you want to rip.

Do the work like the other guy did.

By chance is it possible to get the last 10 minutes of my life back?

 

[Dick_in_MI]

This is the normal development curve of a kid, esp a forward here. Discarding a kid or a coaching staff at the start of a kid's second semester in college is nuts.

I have pretty much stayed away from the hoops board this year (and last season too) but I wanted to say that you nailed it.

Benny was highly regarded, and a lot of schools wanted him. You can't fault JB's judgement. Did they expect more out of him? Probably, but given that he is in the middle of his first season, it is not unusual that he has been slow out of the gate.

At this point in his career, and being in the ACC, his skills are not developed enough to be a factor at the 3 (especially his lack of shooting touch). He needs to get stronger to be a factor at the 4. The latter will come, the former is yet to be determined. He is raw but has potential.

He is a work in progress. It may not come this year, but it is crazy to project his entire college career, or rip the staff over his lack of development, after fewer than two dozen games.

 

[Alsacs]

By chance is it possible to get the last 10 minutes of my life back?

Click on a poster’s name hit ignore. It saves me having to respond to bad attempts at being passive aggressive.

 

[Alsacs]

I have pretty much stayed away from the hoops board this year (and last season too) but I wanted to say that you nailed it.

Benny was highly regarded, and a lot of schools wanted him. You can't fault JB's judgement. Did they expect more out of him? Probably, but given that he is in the middle of his first season, it is not unusual that he has been slow out of the gate.

At this point in his career, and being in the ACC, his skills are not developed enough to be a factor at the 3 (especially his lack of shooting touch). He needs to get stronger to be a factor at the 4. The latter will come, the former is yet to be determined. He is raw but has potential.

He is a work in progress. It may not come this year, but it is crazy to project his entire college career, or rip the staff over his lack of development, after fewer than two dozen games.

Maybe the HC should account for this being possible and not have such a thin roster where we only have 2 playable forwards if the freshman isn’t ready.

Expecting to have more than 3 playable forwards isn’t a lot to ask.

That was the HC’s decision to leave the roster this thin. He didn’t bring in more players.

But this is negative so you will ignore it.

 

[DoctorBombay]

I have pretty much stayed away from the hoops board this year (and last season too) but I wanted to say that you nailed it.

Benny was highly regarded, and a lot of schools wanted him. You can't fault JB's judgement. Did they expect more out of him? Probably, but given that he is in the middle of his first season, it is not unusual that he has been slow out of the gate.

At this point in his career, and being in the ACC, his skills are not developed enough to be a factor at the 3 (especially his lack of shooting touch). He needs to get stronger to be a factor at the 4. The latter will come, the former is yet to be determined. He is raw but has potential.

He is a work in progress. It may not come this year, but it is crazy to project his entire college career, or rip the staff over his lack of development, after fewer than two dozen games.

A lot of premature, and dare I say immature H0T Takes in this thread re; Benny.
He has work to do, but what I "saw' that gives me confidence was the one effortless dish to Frank yesterday, along with the out-of-this world defensive blocks he had earlier this year. He looked like a different player making those earlier plays, and yesterday's play was the first indication I could see that offensively at least, he was starting to get his bearings.
On defense, he looks tons better. JB is now giving the kid a steady 10+ minutes per game, especially in the first half. Those who have already written him off are making a mistake, like this board has done with numerous other players, too many to mention here.
Our microwave society wants instant results, and any stumble is often viewed as fatal. Benny seems like a sensitive kid, trying to figure it all out, with an ornery old man riding him for the first half of the season, and not living up to even his own expectations as far as performance. How about we err on the side of positivity and patience, instead of making definitive statements when its still so early in the game? JMHO

 

[althea]

Maybe the HC should account for this being possible and not have such a thin roster where we only have 2 playable forwards if the freshman isn’t ready.

Expecting to have more than 3 playable forwards isn’t a lot to ask.

That was the HC’s decision to leave the roster this thin. He didn’t bring in more players.

But this is negative so you will ignore it.

I may be crazy, but I think there is a lot more to the process than what you keep insisting (ad nauseum).

Benny is not a finished product. We all see that he has some skills that could make him an elite player someday, he just hasn't learned how to be effective at this level. Some kids learn immediately, some never, and some just take time.

In the past, JB has coached many athletic wings like this into really good players. Hopefully Benny is the next one on a very long list. IMO Benny's development will depend on Benny, not JB. He is a very likeable kid that has hops and quickness that every single poster on this board (except Bjorn) wishes they had. I'm rooting for him.

 

[realorange]

There is nobody who wants to see Benny improve more than JB. Benny sits next to JB for most of the game. JB has said he loves Benny. Red has given Benny many great remarks. Nothing that we know of that isn't positive from the coaching side.

The last game Benny, at least twice, started to drive toward the basket. He didn't finish, but he tried which is more than we have seen before. He will get to the point where he has enough confidence to take it to the rack, but not now. He is improving if not as fast as some would like.

Benny is seeing defense on the weakest teams we've played that are better than anything he experienced in high school. The game is faster than anything he has experienced before this year. Combine those two things along with trying to feel comfortable, let alone confident, and you have a huge learning curve.

I was one of the people who said he wouldn't start at the beginning of the year, but I thought he'd be ready to contribute by the middle of the season. A little past that but he'll get there eventually.

 

[Bayside44]

I have pretty much stayed away from the hoops board this year (and last season too) but I wanted to say that you nailed it.

Benny was highly regarded, and a lot of schools wanted him. You can't fault JB's judgement. Did they expect more out of him? Probably, but given that he is in the middle of his first season, it is not unusual that he has been slow out of the gate.

At this point in his career, and being in the ACC, his skills are not developed enough to be a factor at the 3 (especially his lack of shooting touch). He needs to get stronger to be a factor at the 4. The latter will come, the former is yet to be determined. He is raw but has potential.

He is a work in progress. It may not come this year, but it is crazy to project his entire college career, or rip the staff over his lack of development, after fewer than two dozen games.

Thanks - since you agree I'll feel better running in traffic tomorrow

 

[kcsu]

Benny please

 

[Oakland]

Like many, I've been worried that Benny may hit the portal after the season. Thinking more about this though, why? Provided that the Boeheim brothers (or at least the older one) doesn't return, what's the point? He should get plenty of run next year. The only thing that I can think of that would lead him to find another program is he doesn't like how he's being utilized (i.e. Quincy), which I don't see fitting or that he doesn't see starting next year (i.e. Kadary), but that too, I don't see happening either. Therefore, the only thing I can think of at this point which might lead him away from Cuse is a conflict with the head coach, which I hope isn't the case and sort of doubt.

Why? Because he may have realized that he is not high major talent and needs to retreat to a lower level. This is not my prediction, but he has shown very little potential this season.

 

[Day2]

Click on a poster’s name hit ignore. It saves me having to respond to bad attempts at being passive aggressive.

You don’t have to respond to anything. Every one of your replies is a choice. Your choice.

 

[SUintheVille]

I really want Benny to succeed and think he’ll have a bright future, hopefully still at SU. But, here’s my question, was his jump shot that flat in HS? It often comes up short because of that. The mechanics look bad. Or is he say pressing and not shooting his natural shot? If it really is flat, I sure hope the coaches are trying to help him adjust. Once he hits a few, the doors may swing wide open.

 

[SU94]

Maybe the HC should account for this being possible and not have such a thin roster where we only have 2 playable forwards if the freshman isn’t ready.

Expecting to have more than 3 playable forwards isn’t a lot to ask.

That was the HC’s decision to leave the roster this thin. He didn’t bring in more players.

But this is negative so you will ignore it.

Benny is Demitis Nichols. So many similarities. We just have to wait for the good years. He wasn’t Melo. Which is 100% fine.

Alsacs: Go look up Joey Beard. Or Cheroke Parks. Or Crawford Palmer. It’s a wonder K was named the US Olympic Coach with such scouting or player development fails on his resume (Parks struggled as a frosh, then turned into an NBA player, but he wasn’t Laettner, so people bitched).

 

[Nicknack]

Why? Because he may have realized that he is not high major talent and needs to retreat to a lower level. This is not my prediction, but he has shown very little potential this season.

Sorry but that doesn't make much sense. If he has a starting job next year, which is likely, the kid isn't jumping to the portal to play against lesser teams. No way.

 

[samspann1]

All of those players coaches must be poor evaluators of talent or else suck at player development.

I believe that we recruited BHH pretty hard as well.

 

[samspann1]

Tyus improved in every facet over time here - ball handling,shooting,passing,defense- the eye test is important.

It’s hard to argue with the ol’ “eye test”, but the numbers show that Battle’s shooting did not improve over the course of his 3 years at SU. His assist numbers went up….as did his turnovers.

 

[Alsacs]

You don’t have to respond to anything. Every one of your replies is a choice. Your choice.

Thanks I didn’t knos this. When somebody wants to take a shot but say nothing i will not let that go.
I acknowledge that is my problem but I hate when people debate the person and not what is said.

 

[Alsacs]

It’s hard to argue with the ol’ “eye test”, but the numbers show that Battle’s shooting did not improve over the course of his 3 years at SU. His assist numbers went up….as did his turnovers.

The idea he doesn’t get Tyus was a finished product just baffles the mind.

Of course he didn’t get tbe point so it doesn’t surprise.
Mediocrity has been accepted by some and they will rationalize anything.

Hope and change will eventually come.

 

[JarHeadJim]

I wish Woody would of stayed.

 

[Grbac]

In my opinion Benny looks very weak and timid. He obviously has the athleticism but can’t really use it.

He gets out muscled on anything involving another player. He also seems to be so hesitant about doing anything on offense.

It’s just a combination of things. He isn’t physically ready to play ACC caliber or any college caliber teams yet. He is also still learning and thinking too much.

It’s completely up to Benny on how soon he makes himself ready to play. Eat, hit the weight room, practice, practice, practice.

 

[orangefog]

In my opinion Benny looks very weak and timid. He obviously has the athleticism but can’t really use it.

He gets out muscled on anything involving another player. He also seems to be so hesitant about doing anything on offense.

It’s just a combination of things. He isn’t physically ready to play ACC caliber or any college caliber teams yet. He is also still learning and thinking too much.

It’s completely up to Benny on how soon he makes himself ready to play. Eat, hit the weight room, practice, practice, practice.

He can be a nice guy off the court, but he has to get the mentality of a dog while on the court. I want to see him sprint up the floor to get to both offense and defense. Keep those arms up on defense and cover the floor. On offense, keep your hands ready and keep moving. Set picks, cut to the basket, just keep moving and stay ready and when the ball goes up, go after that thing like your life depends on it.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He can be a nice guy off the court, but he has to get the mentality of a dog while on the court. I want to see him sprint up the floor to get to both offense and defense. Keep those arms up on defense and cover the floor. On offense, keep your hands ready and keep moving. Set picks, cut to the basket, just keep moving and stay ready and when the ball goes up, go after that thing like your life depends on it.

Yeah, I’d love to see Benny sprint up on offense and get a pass from Joe for a Dome rocking dunk.

 

[SU94]

The idea he doesn’t get Tyus was a finished product just baffles the mind.

Of course he didn’t get tbe point so it doesn’t surprise.
Mediocrity has been accepted by some and they will rationalize anything.

Hope and change will eventually come.

You are certifiably riled up(!). From year 1 to year 2, Battle went from being Option 4 as a frosh to Option 1 as a sophomore. So he learned the roles and responsibilities that came with that. He also learned to play some point guard along the way, which he did not do as a freshman. Remember, Howard Washington was the third guard for Tyus' second season and Jalen Carey struggled his final year in the program.

I loved Tyus' time with the program and, yes, he was a remarkably consistent player. I don't think anyone could have made him a 24-25ppg guy, unless he went to a program and became Option 1, 2 and 3 all in one. Did you want more/better passing? His Asst/G went up every season, but truthfully, I wanted him scoring (those teams struggled with points). I'd guess you are hung up on his 3pt%, which declined during his time at SU. If so, that's fine. But Tyus was never a shooter, per se, he was a scorer, a slasher, a defender and yes, if open, he could hit a 3 for you..

As for your initial point on Benny and the blame and shame that should come with that, remember, your own scouting skills could use some polish. You spent 9 long, loud months telling everyone here that E.Hughes was a wasted scholarship. Is that not true?