why Broyld isn't at QB or LB. to me, not being at LB tells us a lot.

[Millhouse]

Rewind to spring 2012.

Assumptions that I think are reasonable (Bullet points make this so much more persuasive. If need be, I'll make a powerpoint with extra animations)

• Marrone knew he wanted out. (Grumpiness, luncheons, rumblings)
  
• He knew the NFL was the place for him.
  
• He knew he'd bring most of the SU staff with him if he got a shot at an NFL job. (Evidence that concern for SU's success in 2013 on is only secondary to him)
  
• Since his offenses at SU weren't very good his first 3 seasons at SU, he thought it was almost essential for his own job prospects that the offense be good in 2012.

Would a coach in that position really care if they stopped the development of a QB for 2013-14 if they thought that QB could help the offense somewhere else in 2012?

If Marrone was thinking this way, his decision to keep Hunt at QB doesn't neccesarily mean he thought Hunt was a better QB. His escape to the NFL would've been threatened no matter what if Hunt or Broyld had to take snaps.

You still need bodies at QB. We still had Kinder, Loeb, whoever else so that's a hole in this theory. But if you take 2 qbs who aren't going to play and just focus on who will help more immediately at another offensive position, the answer has to be Broyld

Thinking back to Rahme's stuff from that summer, they thought Broyld was going to be a huge weapon that year. He wasn't and the offense was excellent anyway but for this, it only matters what they were thinking before the 2012 season.

If you were going to move Broyld to another position, wouldn't linebacker be at least close to the top of the list? We had good running backs and WR. He might've made a bigger difference on defense but if Marrone preferred a smaller improvement in the offense to a bigger improvement in the defense, that would explain why he stayed on offense.

I'm not saying they would've moved Broyld if they thought he would be a great QB, I'm just saying they might've moved him if their goals were more short term than the rest of us

 

[sufandu]

I recall Rahme saying Broyld wanted nothing to do with defense. He's not a good tackler and has absolutely no interest in tackling anyone.

 

[Millhouse]

I recall Rahme saying Broyld wanted nothing to do with defense. He's not a good tackler and has absolutely no interest in tackling anyone.

That makes sense too judging by his alligator arms recently.

 

[SoBristol]

Silly.

Unless you believe Marrone was set to leave for any available coordinator role, he wasn't going anywhere in summer 2012, coming off a 5 game losing streak. He became a hot commodity when we finished with a strong November, winning a bowl game.

Broyld showed some ability at RB; and now is leading the team in catches as a slot receiver. We need playmakers on offense. We have a good set of LBs (when Davis is healthy), and depth at DE.

 

[Millhouse]

Silly.

Unless you believe Marrone was set to leave for any available coordinator role, he wasn't going anywhere in summer 2012, coming off a 5 game losing streak. He became a hot commodity when we finished with a strong November, winning a bowl game.

Broyld showed some ability at RB; and now is leading the team in catches as a slot receiver. We need playmakers on offense. We have a good set of LBs (when Davis is healthy), and depth at DE.

He knew how well the QB and WR recruiting was going. He knew that he wanted out. He went all in on 2012. Worked out great.

Someone has to lead the team in receptions. I'm usually not one to complain about hands if a guy can get open but Broyld is approaching my limit there

 

[sufandu]

That makes sense too judging by his alligator arms recently.

As a tribute to Randy Moss wussing out over the middle against the Giants in the 2000 NFC championship game, I now prefer to call alligator arms "Randy Moss arms."

 

[Rocco]

Like I said in another thread, Broyld does not like contact. He will never play D at Syracuse.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm going to have to see that powerpoint to be convinced.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm going to have to see that powerpoint to be convinced.

 

[dollarbill44]

You should be careful who you broadcast these thoughts to.

 

[ssbriefcase]

He didn't like the physicality of playing rb. He complained often about his body hurting, mainly his arms/hands. Weird..

 

[PhatOrange]

As a tribute to Randy Moss wussing out over the middle against the Giants in the 2000 NFC championship game, I now prefer to call alligator arms "Randy Moss arms."

True, alligators hardly miss their catch.

 

[PhatOrange]

Broyld does not have a LB mentality and no desire to play the position.

Broyld is not a QB because he A) can’t grasp the playbook and B) has a worse arm than the other QB’s.

Broyld needs to keep working hard at the WR position, I think he’ll be outstanding when he’s all done.

 

[richard levy]

Ping-Pong doesn't have a lot of contact. Its football for gosh sake

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What is this from?

 

[sufandu]

True, alligators hardly miss their catch.

They're not using their arms though. That could be the key. Maybe Broyld could try catching with his mouth. (disclaimer: I really like Broyld. He seems to be passionate about the team. I think, with hard work, he can be a stud here and wind up a draft pick in a couple years)

 

[shandeezy7]

Broyld does not have a LB mentality and no desire to play the position.

Broyld is not a QB because he A) can’t grasp the playbook and B) has a worse arm than the other QB’s.

Broyld needs to keep working hard at the WR position, I think he’ll be outstanding when he’s all done.

Yeah, I don't see any other position on the field where he could excel at more. He's not an aggressive enough player to be on defense, doesn't have the necessary skill set to play qb and is certainly too big to play RB. The only other position I could see him excelling at is if he bulked up some and played in that hybrid TE/WR role that the NFL seems to covet these days.

 

[FAL]

 

[shandeezy7]

What is this from?

 

[PhatOrange]

They're not using their arms though. That could be the key. Maybe Broyld could try catching with his mouth. (disclaimer: I really like Broyld. He seems to be passionate about the team. I think, with hard work, he can be a stud here and wind up a draft pick in a couple years)

I think he could be an all world safety but see LB.

 

[Millhouse]

What is this from?

youtube's most popular deceased alcoholic with tourette's

in this particular video, he's screaming at the makers of Total toothpaste (the "one with tartar control")because it made him "feel like a piece of !"

 

[Chip]

Whether or not it was for Marrone's personal gain to get out of town, they were pretty clear that they thought they were lacking playmakers on the field. They knew he wasn't going to unseat Nassib as a true freshman, so they were definitely going to put him on offense in some type of role. They also didn't really know what they had in Jerome Smith and PTG at the time. That didn't develop until midseason last year. I also don't know that they had tons of confidence in Sales or Lemon going into the season. At least to the point that they could make big plays, something we couldn't do to end 2011.

It appears to me that Broyld is perfectly fine with contact when he has the football and looking at the defender. On bubble screens there have been a bunch of times where he has physically beat the first defender and made it to the first down marker. But until he's able to catch the ball without fear of being hit, he's not going to be more than an average football player with above average athleticism.

Or until he gets moved to QB and hopefully he can throw a football.

 

[dollarbill44]

Whether or not it was for Marrone's personal gain to get out of town, they were pretty clear that they thought they were lacking playmakers on the field. They knew he wasn't going to unseat Nassib as a true freshman, so they were definitely going to put him on offense in some type of role. They also didn't really know what they had in Jerome Smith and PTG at the time. That didn't develop until midseason last year. I also don't know that they had tons of confidence in Sales or Lemon going into the season. At least to the point that they could make big plays, something we couldn't do to end 2011.

It appears to me that Broyld is perfectly fine with contact when he has the football and looking at the defender. On bubble screens there have been a bunch of times where he has physically beat the first defender and made it to the first down marker. But until he's able to catch the ball without fear of being hit, he's not going to be more than an average football player with above average athleticism.

Or until he gets moved to QB and hopefully he can throw a football.

There are some guys that don't mind being hit by others but don't like to be the one doing the hitting.

 

[rrlbees]

There are some guys that don't mind being hit by others but don't like to be the one doing the hitting.

The exact opposite is also true.


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[TheCusian]

Why can't we just let the kid be a WR? He's been one of our best offensive players this year.