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Why the fuss about Nassib?

I'm not as totally down on Nassib as many others, but there is no way he'd be an All-American candidate even if he was on Oregon. And Scoop is a significantly better player, relative to his peer set, than Nassib.
I think this board is crazy. There is a giant leap between being the best qb since mcnabb and having any dream of being an all american candidate surrounded by a pro bowl team

Scoop is surrounded by insane talent and he'll never be all american. And scoop is way better than nassib is!

If people actually debate whether Nunes as a senior was better than you, you might not be an all american
If people call you limited and a game manager, you might not be an all american
 
I just think those factors add up to mean Nassib is 99.9% likely to be the starter and I tend to think it's a pretty good decision. I also think there's a chance he and the offense could improve, though I agree it's pretty unlikely we see a truly dynamic offense.

We all know Nassib is going to start, I don't think anyone is denying that.

As to the offense improving, highly unlikely. I think we all wish that something would change with the offense to make it more productive. And whether fans, parents, alums or donors like it or not, the starting QB is going to be the guy charged with much of the blame when the team loses. Especially when it loses 5 in a row and the QB has a TD/INT ratio of 7/5 over that stretch and failed to score more than 20 points four of the five games.

And I don't think I'm going totally out on a limb by saying that Nassib was not a difference maker at a position you need to have a difference maker at, in order to have an offense carry a team -- like SU needed last year.

I think a lot of people forget that the offense was projected to carry us because the defense wasn't ready yet. We lost 8 (?!) guys who were HUGE contributors. Top two tacklers on the team, three of the top 5 DB's, and three DT's who were basically the rotation.

(I don't think people who blame the defense for last season truly understand this, so I'm going to bold, underline and italicize it, just to get my point across).

I'm not sure many programs not named LSU or Alabama could not suffer a severe dropoff on defense when you lose that many guys.

Whether there is someone to replace him or not is another issue for another day (recruiting, what happened with Miller's shoulder, Kinder's slow development, etc.). Nassib is and never was the answer at QB for a team that wants to win any sort of conference championship. And that will never change.
 
I think this board is crazy. There is a giant leap between being the best qb since mcnabb and having any dream of being an all american candidate surrounded by a pro bowl team

Scoop is surrounded by insane talent and he'll never be all american. And scoop is way better than nassib is!

If people actually debate whether Nunes as a senior was better than you, you might not be an all american
If people call you limited and a game manager, you might not be an all american

Nunes as a senior in 2002: 115/198 1337 yards 8TDs 7int rating: 121.06

Nassib in 2011: 259/415 2685 yards 22TDs 9int rating: 129.91

Not much comparison better.

Now suppose Nassib had a good offesnive line and a strong corps of receivers, say a Mike Williams with an Alec Lemon, Nick Provo and Ant Bailey coming out of the backfield. I could see him going more like 280/415 for 3300 yards 30 TDs 5 int. That would be an All-American candidate .
 
Nunes as a senior in 2002: 115/198 1337 yards 8TDs 7int rating: 121.06

Nassib in 2011: 259/415 2685 yards 22TDs 9int rating: 129.91

Not much comparison better.

Now suppose Nassib had a good offesnive line and a strong corps of receivers, say a Mike Williams with an Alec Lemon, Nick Provo and Ant Bailey coming out of the backfield. I could see him going more like 280/415 for 3300 yards 30 TDs 5 int. That would be an All-American candidate .

21 more completions for 600 more yards on the same # of attempts with 5 less picks? That seems really far fetched.

Andrew Luck was 288-404, 3517 yards, 37 TDs, 10 INTs. Do you really think Ryan Nassib can put up Andrew Luck numbers, no matter who surrounds him? I think we may disagree on Ryan's upside!
 
Nunes as a senior in 2002: 115/198 1337 yards 8TDs 7int rating: 121.06

Nassib in 2011: 259/415 2685 yards 22TDs 9int rating: 129.91

Not much comparison better.

Now suppose Nassib had a good offesnive line and a strong corps of receivers, say a Mike Williams with an Alec Lemon, Nick Provo and Ant Bailey coming out of the backfield. I could see him going more like 280/415 for 3300 yards 30 TDs 5 int. That would be an All-American candidate .
A) That would never happen
B) Even if it did, that's still not an All American. Wilson RGIII Moore Luck Keenum Barkley Weeden all had better years than that pie in the sky.
 
21 more completions for 600 more yards on the same # of attempts with 5 less picks? That seems really far fetched.

Andrew Luck was 288-404, 3517 yards, 37 TDs, 10 INTs. Do you really think Ryan Nassib can put up Andrew Luck numbers, no matter who surrounds him? I think we may disagree on Ryan's upside!

21 more compleitons in 12 games isn't far out of line with a good line and a big-time receiver like Wiliiams in the mix. And the yardage - a bit less than 12 yards per completion is not improbable. The 10 ayrds a compeltion he ahd this eyar was because we had no deep threat. It's astonishingly low. And going from 22TDs and 9 interceptiosn to 30 and 5 isn't out of the qyuestion. And I'm not saying he'd win the Heisman. I'm thinking more of honorable mention.
 

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