Wildhack is on the Clock

[kcsu]

“Let him recruit his own players and let’s see what he does”

My guy - these are his own players. Every single one of them. Transfers, the freshmen/sophomores, and the survivors from Boeheim’s final year. He’s responsible for bringing all of them in - both directly and indirectly. This can’t continue to be used as an argument to keep Red.

JB got to use sanctions as an excuse for 15 years Red gets a 1 year pass

 

[Blanko97]

How do you sell this as a vision to Melo and Kiyan to keep them on board? I mean Donnie, a pre season possible first rounder after 1 year isn’t on many draft boards that I’ve seen anymore. He has things that he needs to improve on but Red has done nothing to help him develop and feature as a high end prospect either…

I do think he was very over hyped. His defense and offense both leave a lot to be desired. coaching or not, his drive to be special outside of rebounding isnt there

 

[Blanko97]

He 100 pct is getting a full 3rd year

Blind leading the blind, love to see it

 

[Blanko97]

JB got to use sanctions as an excuse for 15 years Red gets a 1 year pass

JB made 9 tournaments (2 final fours and 6 sweet sixteens) in that span, Red has a fake 20 win season and arguably the worst team in history. those two are not the same.

If red wanted to use excuses, he shouldve gone and gotten the siena job. You want to start at the top? You better perform. Hes not performing. I dont understand why you want to defend a guy who is driving the program further into the ground

 

[DilemaCuse]

I'm referencing a previous convo in this thread,

We're only 0-7 against the P5

It's not time to panic yet

 

[DilemaCuse]

Can we get a win against a P5 team?

 

[FloridaCuse]

I don't think it is just about the team's record or the players he has or not had available, or the people he's recruited for next year. Or whether he "deserves" a 3rd year. To me the fundamental question is can he coach? Based on my own observations and comments by posters on this site who are way more knowledgeable than I am, there's a real question whether he can. JW has to affirmatively answer yes to keep him any longer than this year. If he isn't certain of that then he'd be keeping him solely based on Hope. Or incompetence.

 

[LAorange44]

The assistant to first time head coach at a p4 program is an interesting proposition. When it works, it works immediately. See tommy Lloyd, Hubert Davis, and John Scheyer. Some guys have tastes of early success and earn an extension before flaming out and getting fired. See Hop and Mike Boynton. And then there are those who just can’t adapt. See Ben Johnson at Minnesota, who had a 13, 9, and 19 win season. He will likely be fired this year. There is also Micah Shrewsberry, who parlayed immediate improvement at Penn State to a job at Notre Dame, but I wouldn’t say he is setting the world on fire there. Long story short, if we had the right guy, we would know right away. None of the first time head coaches had big turn arounds that would put them with the Lloyd, Davis, and Scheyer group, which is where I assume we want to be. There might be other examples out there but this isn’t a regularly tracked statistic and I didn’t include the NBA assistants.


Which coaching path does Red seem to be on?

 

[FloridaCuse]

If Red goes 12-22 and fails to make the ACCT, there will be zero criticisms of him getting fired. There may be more negative press questioning the school’s commitment to basketball if he isn’t fired after a season like that.

Red is not some proven coach with a long track record. Right now he’s taken over a historic program that’s been on a decade long decline and made it worse.

12-22? Where is he going to get 6 more wins? Where is he going to get even 1 more win?

 

[elimunelson]

JB got to use sanctions as an excuse for 15 years Red gets a 1 year pass

Right 5 final fours countless big East titles give u some slack. I thought he should have been ole yellared after probation 2 but no one was more loyal and successful than JAB

Red has zero track record and is learning on the job. He may just stink at this. If so wildhack has to fire him and rip the bandaid off

The idea we didn’t interview for this job is so absurd that I’m still in awe at how dumb management handled this. I doubt wildhack would do this at espn if a sports center anchor needed to be replaced. It’s akin to hiring a PA on the spot vs the guy in the dc market or something

 

[elimunelson]

The assistant to first time head coach at a p4 program is an interesting proposition. When it works, it works immediately. See tommy Lloyd, Hubert Davis, and John Scheyer. Some guys have tastes of early success and earn an extension before flaming out and getting fired. See Hop and Mike Boynton. And then there are those who just can’t adapt. See Ben Johnson at Minnesota, who had a 13, 9, and 19 win season. He will likely be fired this year. There is also Micah Shrewsberry, who parlayed immediate improvement at Penn State to a job at Notre Dame, but I wouldn’t say he is setting the world on fire there. Long story short, if we had the right guy, we would know right away. None of the first time head coaches had big turn arounds that would put them with the Lloyd, Davis, and Scheyer group, which is where I assume we want to be. There might be other examples out there but this isn’t a regularly tracked statistic and I didn’t include the NBA assistants.


Which coaching path does Red seem to be on?

This feels like a worse version of Matt Doherty

 

[AckermanAve]

Red sold us on uptempo offense and aggressive man to man defense and then he brought in...Eddie freaking Lampkin. I don't think even Red knows what he is trying to do.

He looks lost on the sideline. At times I feel bad for him. He’s definitely in over his head and the job is too big for him.

JW has to see this and pull the plug. It will stink for Red to swallow at first, but a few days later he will be relieved. He can go find an assistant position which is more his speed (and that is 100% ok).

I don’t think Red wants the legacy of ruining the basketball team. JW just needs to take the decision out of Red’s hands. Red is a competitor and telling Red you will get a year 3 and we expect A, B, & C he will take it and falter and put us in a G-Rob like hole (we already sort of are, but it can still get worse).

 

[dan7800]

12-22? Where is he going to get 6 more wins? Where is he going to get even 1 more win?

I think SU will squeak out a few more wins somehow. Really good teams find ways to lose, and sometimes really bad teams find ways to win.

I do think that 6 wins is pretty optimistic though.

See, without GMAC they cannot get 10 *** wins. Not 10.

 

[gmoney44]

Syracuse hates a bad headline more than anything. Dumping Autry after year two is way too much bad press.

The headlines won’t be talking about how bad we are for all the reasons stated above.

They’ll be saying how he never got a fair shake after the HOF’er left plus JJ got hurt and now we messed up our next recruiting class and will Kiyan leave now too. Its not accurate but it gets clicks and views more than running stories talking about how the staff and players are just not good.

Really this whole season is a waste and we just need to turn the channel.

Unless Autry resigns, there’s a scandal, or the entire fanbase en masse just refuses to show up to the dome which they won’t then he’s back next year.

We should still demand a housecleaning this year but it’s not going to happen so buckle up.

If that’s what they care about then they deserve to lose the fans. I hope they average 5K a game next year if they don’t fire Red.

Being a fan of SU is exhausting. They only do what needs to be done long after everyone on Earth knows what needs to be done.

 

[gmoney44]

I don’t see anyone saying he’s “entitled” to a 3rd year. I think the consensus is that it’s highly improbable because firing a coach after 2 years could be unprecedented in major college basketball. Even Guthridge and Doherty got 3 years each at UNC.

That was a completely different era of college basketball. You didn’t have immediate transfer eligibility, the portal or NIL back then. It was a minimum of 4 years back then to retool the roster. That isn’t the case anymore nor should it be.

 

[gmoney44]

He 100 pct is getting a full 3rd year

SU is 100% bush league if they don’t can Red and they deserve all the horrible things that will continue to come with another year with him as head coach.

 

[gmoney44]

JB made 9 tournaments (2 final fours and 6 sweet sixteens) in that span, Red has a fake 20 win season and arguably the worst team in history. those two are not the same.

If red wanted to use excuses, he shouldve gone and gotten the siena job. You want to start at the top? You better perform. Hes not performing. I dont understand why you want to defend a guy who is driving the program further into the ground

He wouldn’t have been offered the Siena job. That’s what’s even more crazy that the idiots running SU think he was the man to take over the program.

 

[Bulldog04]

SU is 100% bush league if they don’t can Red and they deserve all the horrible things that will continue to come with another year with him as head coach.

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

 

[Cusefan0307]

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

Define winning.

 

[orange79]

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

 

[Trueblue25]

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

I think most people that watch the games are confident that he wont.

Harsh, but the truth.

When your profession demands salaries in excess of 2 mil a year, for a program that profits tens of millions, its simply unacceptable to operate on what ifs or prior understandings.

HS recruiting classes can bring excitement but wins bring support.

I can’t talk myself into taking this program seriously anymore.

The only thing that’d change my opinion, after the season that 2024-2025 will be, is a top 3 ACC finish, top 15 AP finish, and a run to the elite 8.

 

[Fly Rodder]

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

What’s the difference between this season and next as far as the team goes? Replace JJ and Bell, lose Freeman & Lampkin? There isn’t a single player I’d retain from this team. Maybe Moore, I doubt Freeman sticks around. Which means a huge rebuild. Red has missed on nearly all his transfer talent and badly. Not filling me with optimism. The best teams have a combo of HS recruits they’ve developed and retained and transfers. The talent evaluation has been atrocious. Maybe Kline helps there.

That leaves the Xs and Os. Which have been underwhelming at best, bewildering most of the time.

To win next season he needs to have first team All ACC season from Kiyan, which is a lot of pressure on a frosh no matter the ranking or bloodline.

I don’t think there is a single positive from this season.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think most people that watch the games are confident that he wont.

Harsh, but the truth.

When your profession demands salaries in excess of 2 mil a year, for a program that profits tens of millions, its simply unacceptable to operate on what ifs or prior understandings.

HS recruiting classes can bring excitement but wins bring support.

I can’t talk myself into taking this program seriously anymore.

The only thing that’d change my opinion, after the season that 2024-2025 will be, is a top 3 ACC finish, top 15 AP finish, and a run to the elite 8.

Agreed. After this year people are out of patience. Short of being a protected seed no one will be satisfied. It would take 24-25 regular season wins.

 

[Jack_Ball]

What will be the attitude if he wins in year 3 though? Everyone gonna praise JW for not firing him? General question for the board..

How will NIL look next year if we go 12-22? If its less than this year how will we get better players? I imagine donors will not be excited to contribute to NIL after winning 12 games which essential means Red would be dead man walking. Thats the issue is where does NIL $$ come from after this season

 

[wiCuse]

If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, Red gets another year because of Team Melo. They will bankroll the program for 2-3 years. I have to imagine there will be strings attached. I really hope Melo isn't liking what he's seeing right now...