Wildhack is on the Clock

[cusefan88]

All I’m going to say is that some of the people funding the team are unhappy with the product, and if this continues, serious discussions will take place in the coming months.

Hope that is the case.

 

[OttosShoes]

And what is modern history to you? Since you have been around?

We need to get into the semantics of 'modern history' to defend this team?

Oh boy. It's actually worse than I thought.

FWIW, in W/L we're on track to be the worst team since 1968-69; it was Roy Danforth's first year and we were 9-16/.360. Out of 125 seasons, we're currently .462 which ranks 111 out of 125.

 

[wiCuse]

I look at a team like Marquette and what they are doing...

Their main guys are either low end 4 star recurits who have been there forever (Mitchell, Joplin, Jones), mix in new low end 4 star recruits on the bench (Parnam, Owens). Rinse and repeat.

Feels like that could be our sweet spot but in order to do that you have to have players GET BETTER. We had that with Maliq and let him go. Instead, we have 3 years of Chris Bell.

Living in Wisconsin I get to see two programs that do a lot of winning without elite talent. Marquette's success is based around a great system built on team first players. They haven't had a player portal in two years.

The Badgers have similar NIL money to us and do a lot more winning with 3 star recruits. People thought the portal/NIL era would hurt the Badgers because much of their success was built on redshirting guys and having players stay 4-5 years, which doesn't happen anymore for them. They've adjusted/adapted. Good coaches do matter.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Yeah I'd rather just forget about Kiyan. Fire red and start over if he wants to play by the new guys rules great.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Yeah I'd rather just forget about Kiyan. Fire red and start over if he wants to play by the new guys rules great.

I half agree. Not about ‘forgetting Kiyan,’ but expecting he would welcome and be excited by the prospects of playing for anyone who enhances his pro prospects. The next coach is going to have to excite on multiple levels: HS recruits, portal transfers and existing player connections, and NIL donors. A Frannish ignition of the program is necessary, and could transform us very, very quickly.

I‘m hoping Kiyan‘s prodigious social network includes potential impact transfers.

 

[djcon57]

Shaka has a plan, a system and recruits for that system - he is good at player evaluation and development. As of now I don’t think Red has any of those things.

Don’t disagree just saying that something like that could work here in response to those that do the woe is us NIL excuse

 

[RF2044]

Living in Wisconsin I get to see two programs that do a lot of winning without elite talent. Marquette's success is based around a great system built on team first players. They haven't had a player portal in two years.

The Badgers have similar NIL money to us and do a lot more winning with 3 star recruits. People thought the portal/NIL era would hurt the Badgers because much of their success was built on redshirting guys and having players stay 4-5 years, which doesn't happen anymore for them. They've adjusted/adapted. Good coaches do matter.

...and we have the antithesis of good coaching.

Unfortunately

Because it shows.

 

[DilemaCuse]

And we have to consider that Kiyan could turn out to be just ok. How does Melo react to that...

Right, as I expect he will be a nice player, not a savior.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

...and we have the antithesis of good coaching.

Unfortunately

Because it shows.

Watching Derrick White for the celtics against the twolves now, and he inspired a thought/question. When was the last time any of our players took a charge? I’m sure it happens every game, but I would also think we’d be near last on the planet in that simple statistic. Someone actually being in good defensive position?

 

[djcon57]

Watching Derrick White for the celtics against the twolves now, and he inspired a thought/question. When was the last time any of our players took a charge? I’m sure it happens every game, but I would also think we’d be near last on the planet in that simple statistic. Someone actually being in good defensive position?

I feel like Carlos or Taylor has once in awhile. Your point is valid though. Can’t take charges when the guy goes by you

 

[DilemaCuse]

Hearing the same

This makes sense, people are paying attention and can't look away from the Trainwreck.

JW should have his list ready, back channel comm to agents for interest. Evaluate the performance over January, Feb and dare I say March.

Meanwhile the ESPN Syracuse radio clowns won't address the elephant in the room and thinks everyone should be happy.

 

[grepal]

JB will have as much input in picking the next coach as he did when SU picked Red, zero.

Well thst worked out for us. Syracuse has a hoops guru who is still a top student of the game. If SU does decide a change is needed I want him to screen all of the guys John brings in for an interview. The man knows the game and has more than an inkling of what is required to succeed at SU. I still think Red gets a third year but if we do not win 10 or 12 games he may not survive.

 

[SUFan44]

All I’m going to say is that some of the people funding the team are unhappy with the product, and if this continues, serious discussions will take place in the coming months.

They may as well start having the serious discussions now. The product ain't changing.

 

[SUFan44]

This makes sense, people are paying attention and can't look away from the Trainwreck.

JW should have his list ready, back channel comm to agents for interest. Evaluate the performance over January, Feb and dare I say March.

Meanwhile the ESPN Syracuse radio clowns won't address the elephant in the room and thinks everyone should be happy.

I like Infanti, he's a company man though and knows where his bread is buttered. Scibilia is a clown.

 

[kirbivore]

Meanwhile the ESPN Syracuse radio clowns won't address the elephant in the room and thinks everyone should be happy.

Well they essentially work for SU

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Kiyan was not a slam dunk to Syracuse. The staff worked it's tail off to get him. No guarantee he sticks
if we change staff. He might stick. But it is no sure thing.

Kiyan is not going to be a program changer like his dad was. I’m sure Melo wants Syracuse basketball to be elite again. He sees his son and his NIL influence as a way of making that happen. If Melo is seeing what we’re all seeing, he knows Red’s not the guy to bring Syracuse back.

Regardless, I think we need to move on from Red unless Melo is saying keep Red and he’ll pony up $5M in NIL to bring in the right (transfer) players for Red next year. I think that’s the only scenario that could save Red.

 

[LAorange44]

Imagine seeing the product and saying yes I’ll invest $5 million in that.

 

[MSOrange]

As far as ADJW, he is 66. Just curious if anyone thinks that might not be a great thing in attracting potential coaches if they think they might have a new boss in a few years? I know you have to be used to change in college sports, but everyone likes to be comfortable with who they are working for.

Also, I give ADJW full credit for hiring Fran. Fran was the one who reached out but ADJW was the one who has to pull the trigger and ultimately hire him. That being said, not sure I'm that comfortable that lighting can strike twice for him like that.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Imagine seeing the product and saying yes I’ll invest $5 million in that.

Sounds like Melo hasn't been scared off...

Why didn’t Adrian Autry use substitutions in offense vs. defense situations? (Mike’s Mailbox)

Syracuse.com basketball reporter Mike Waters answers readers' questions.

www.syracuse.com

Q: Kiyan Anthony was at Tuesday’s game. After watching how bad Syracuse was, I wonder if he might reconsider his commitment?

Mike: Not a chance.

Kiyan Anthony, a four-star recruit in the ‘25 class, committed to Syracuse back in November. He did so knowing full well that Syracuse is undergoing a transition under Autry.

In fact, when I talked to Carmelo Anthony at his son’s college announcement party, the former Syracuse star acknowledged that the Orange program has been on a downward trend in recent years.

He said, “We’re getting the train back on track.’’

Carmelo Anthony’s comment referred to several areas, including recruiting at a higher level and increasing NIL commitments to recruit and retain players.

That tells me that both Kiyan and Carmelo made the decision to come to Syracuse knowing full well the work that’s needed to be done.

 

[Scooch]

Meanwhile the ESPN Syracuse radio clowns won't address the elephant in the room and thinks everyone should be happy.

People here love to trash Brent Axe, but he faced a similar elephant-in-the-room discussion about JB head on... and got fired for it.

Syracuse media is Charmin soft. It's always cracked me up when SU's various coaches get all p.r-i.ckly with them.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I like Infanti, he's a company man though and knows where his bread is buttered. Scibilia is a clown.

Agreed, except Infanti played D3 ball and should know a well coached team from a badly coached team and just avoids going there. I think he knows more than he sometimes is willing to share

 

[SUFan44]

Agreed, except Infanti played D3 ball and should know a well coached team from a badly coached team and just avoids going there. I think he knows more than he sometimes is willing to share

Agreed. He definitely does. And definitely has opinions that he doesn't share on air.

He's not unlike many other media members in that regard.

 

[SUFan44]

This is a bit off topic, but I would urge many of you to take a look at the situation at Villanova.

Jay Wright retires. They choose a Wright disciple to replace him in Kyle Neptune. Neptune had one year as head coach at Fordham where he went 16-16.

The last two years while he 'learned on the job' (sound familiar?), Villanova went 35-33 and did not make the NCAA Tournament.

Neptune has been staked with a big-time NIL platform -- many believe it's $3-5M in total. He inherited Eric Dixon, who is a Player of the Year candidate, and they went out and brought in Wooga Poplar from Miami, a talented wing who would be, by far, Syracuse's best player.

They also overspent on a couple of local Philadelphia kids - Jhamir Brickus (La Salle) & Tyler Perkins (Penn), who cost them roughly $1M in total.

All that, and the team is 9-5 and will likely be a bubble team unless they pick it up in BE play.

Coaching matters. Neptune should have been gone last year but they kept him. Now they may get a 10 seed out of it, with one of the best players in the country who won't be back next year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This is a bit off topic, but I would urge many of you to take a look at the situation at Villanova.

Jay Wright retires. They choose a Wright disciple to replace him in Kyle Neptune. Neptune had one year as head coach at Fordham where he went 16-16.

The last two years while he 'learned on the job' (sound familiar?), Villanova went 35-33 and did not make the NCAA Tournament.

Neptune has been staked with a big-time NIL platform -- many believe it's $3-5M in total. He inherited Eric Dixon, who is a Player of the Year candidate, and they went out and brought in Wooga Poplar from Miami, a talented wing who would be, by far, Syracuse's best player.

They also overspent on a couple of local Philadelphia kids - Jhamir Brickus (La Salle) & Tyler Perkins (Penn), who cost them roughly $1M in total.

All that, and the team is 9-5 and will likely be a bubble team unless they pick it up in BE play.

Coaching matters. Neptune should have been gone last year but they kept him. Now they may get a 10 seed out of it, with one of the best players in the country who won't be back next year.

The opinion some have here that talent can overcome mediocre coaching in basketball is absurd.

 

[Red2003]

This is a bit off topic, but I would urge many of you to take a look at the situation at Villanova.

Jay Wright retires. They choose a Wright disciple to replace him in Kyle Neptune. Neptune had one year as head coach at Fordham where he went 16-16.

The last two years while he 'learned on the job' (sound familiar?), Villanova went 35-33 and did not make the NCAA Tournament.

Neptune has been staked with a big-time NIL platform -- many believe it's $3-5M in total. He inherited Eric Dixon, who is a Player of the Year candidate, and they went out and brought in Wooga Poplar from Miami, a talented wing who would be, by far, Syracuse's best player.

They also overspent on a couple of local Philadelphia kids - Jhamir Brickus (La Salle) & Tyler Perkins (Penn), who cost them roughly $1M in total.

All that, and the team is 9-5 and will likely be a bubble team unless they pick it up in BE play.

Coaching matters. Neptune should have been gone last year but they kept him. Now they may get a 10 seed out of it, with one of the best players in the country who won't be back next year.

Agree. This is where this board is not able to disconnect the situation sometimes. Yes Autry was the 2nd chair during the downfall, but we all know that the old man didn't run a democracy where anyone's opinions overruled his except maybe Julies.

A 2 year tourney draught and a start like this year and Autry's seat would be hot but I don't think people would be calling for his head as much. People are heated and have a serious anger at him right now with this start.

Now a 4 year tourney draught and even longer since relevance and it's tough not to look for a scapegoat. And really Autry isn't doing himself any favors because everything he's doing is just putting us in more of a death spiral.