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This is a bit off topic, but I would urge many of you to take a look at the situation at Villanova.

Jay Wright retires. They choose a Wright disciple to replace him in Kyle Neptune. Neptune had one year as head coach at Fordham where he went 16-16.

The last two years while he 'learned on the job' (sound familiar?), Villanova went 35-33 and did not make the NCAA Tournament.

Neptune has been staked with a big-time NIL platform -- many believe it's $3-5M in total. He inherited Eric Dixon, who is a Player of the Year candidate, and they went out and brought in Wooga Poplar from Miami, a talented wing who would be, by far, Syracuse's best player.

They also overspent on a couple of local Philadelphia kids - Jhamir Brickus (La Salle) & Tyler Perkins (Penn), who cost them roughly $1M in total.

All that, and the team is 9-5 and will likely be a bubble team unless they pick it up in BE play.

Coaching matters. Neptune should have been gone last year but they kept him. Now they may get a 10 seed out of it, with one of the best players in the country who won't be back next year.
A perfect analogy.

No amount of talent is going to make Red a good coach. And if you keep him next year it's a waste of resources in NIL and a year of service for the players.
 
Sounds like Melo hasn't been scared off...


Q: Kiyan Anthony was at Tuesday’s game. After watching how bad Syracuse was, I wonder if he might reconsider his commitment?

Mike: Not a chance.

Kiyan Anthony, a four-star recruit in the ‘25 class, committed to Syracuse back in November. He did so knowing full well that Syracuse is undergoing a transition under Autry.

In fact, when I talked to Carmelo Anthony at his son’s college announcement party, the former Syracuse star acknowledged that the Orange program has been on a downward trend in recent years.

He said, “We’re getting the train back on track.’’

Carmelo Anthony’s comment referred to several areas, including recruiting at a higher level and increasing NIL commitments to recruit and retain players.

That tells me that both Kiyan and Carmelo made the decision to come to Syracuse knowing full well the work that’s needed to be done.
How many years do people think Kiyan and Sadiq will actually play college hoops just in general?

Not trying to stir up a fight, just want to know what people think. They clearly know a rebuild doesn't happen over night and the program is cratering right now.

Are we looking at a world where Kiyan is staying in Orange multiple years to develop? Obviously these guys can go at any time but would they give Autry a go next year and then look for their breakout year with a new coach during their Sophomore year.
 
How many years do people think Kiyan and Sadiq will actually play college hoops just in general?

Not trying to stir up a fight, just want to know what people think. They clearly know a rebuild doesn't happen over night and the program is cratering right now.

Are we looking at a world where Kiyan is staying in Orange multiple years to develop? Obviously these guys can go at any time but would they give Autry a go next year and then look for their breakout year with a new coach during their Sophomore year.
If we fired the coach between their freshman and sophomore years they'd probably hit the portal and go "breakout" somewhere else.

Rip the bandaid off.
 
Agree. This is where this board is not able to disconnect the situation sometimes. Yes Autry was the 2nd chair during the downfall, but we all know that the old man didn't run a democracy where anyone's opinions overruled his except maybe Julies.

A 2 year tourney draught and a start like this year and Autry's seat would be hot but I don't think people would be calling for his head as much. People are heated and have a serious anger at him right now with this start.

Now a 4 year tourney draught and even longer since relevance and it's tough not to look for a scapegoat. And really Autry isn't doing himself any favors because everything he's doing is just putting us in more of a death spiral.
I didn't think I would be calling for the possibility of this after Year 2 either, but here we are, there's no defending this and there's no reason really to continue this. I just don't see where the fanbase would have confidence in him being the coach to lead us back to the Orange Standard.

Usually in Year 2 you see improvement. Culture is instilled, the coach gets more of his guys etc.
We are seeing the opposite, significant regression. Id love to know if there's ever been a successful coaching tenure with significant W/L regression in Year 2? Id guess rare.

The blowout losses to Tenny and MD show void of talent. Close losses to the other P5 teams show void in coaching.

0-7 against the P5, i'd never think Id write that about this program. I don't hate Red, I see that he's trying, trying different things from JB but the job is too big for him. Its ok, it happens all the time.

I disagree with the folks who regardless of how bad this gets thinks that its written in stone that he has to see Year 3. I say the worst season since the late 60s should mean nothing is off the table. If you don't have confidence going into Year 3, why continue it?
 
How many years do people think Kiyan and Sadiq will actually play college hoops just in general?

Not trying to stir up a fight, just want to know what people think. They clearly know a rebuild doesn't happen over night and the program is cratering right now.

Are we looking at a world where Kiyan is staying in Orange multiple years to develop? Obviously these guys can go at any time but would they give Autry a go next year and then look for their breakout year with a new coach during their Sophomore year.
If your doing a rebuild in Year 3 with no prior tourney appearances, you have done it wrong and probably aren't the man for the job. How many times are you gonna the call the year a rebuild?

Just hire a coach with past success and a blueprint to do the rebuild then.
 
If we fired the coach between their freshman and sophomore years they'd probably hit the portal and go "breakout" somewhere else.

Rip the bandaid off.
Right, its like waiting for Benny to finally get it or Chris Bell in Year 3
We have a player development issue
 
Well they essentially work for SU
Despite their denials, the Syracuse espn radio guys, are well aware that there is a line that they may not cross in regards to SU sports. Ed Levine, the CEO at Galaxy, would be showing them the door if they were honest, just like he did to Brent Axe. Galaxy has the SU coaches come on every week- can’t see Pauly or Steve holding their feet to the fire and asking provocative questions. That would be the end of any interviews. This usually happens in smaller to medium markets where the local sports gods go unquestioned. Listen to Wfan( NYC),WIP( Philly) and other major radio markets. Most of the time there is no filter and they can be brutally honest.
 
If your doing a rebuild in Year 3 with no prior tourney appearances, you have done it wrong and probably aren't the man for the job. How many times are you gonna the call the year a rebuild?

Just hire a coach with past success and a blueprint to do the rebuild then.
I agree. How many years do you think Kiyan and Sadiq need before they make a jump to the next level though? I really don't know any more where the line is between 1 and done and needing 2-3 years.
 
Remember that game under JB—an early season game against a local-ish D2 team[?] where we tried to play man and that defense was getting destroyed until we switched back to zone? Who was that?

Anyway, so, that’s who we are, still. Our staff, even though it’s just two guys remaining, still has zero M2M coaching skills. Zero. We play only the vaguest concept of man-to-man. In the number of years since that experiment-gone-bad, we have not developed M2M technique. Why would any AD believe we’re going to resolve that in the next ten months, with an (almost?) entirely new roster? Even if everyone we bring in is a man defensive specialist, I’d expect regression toward incompetence.

Change is needed. Profound change, not another experiment in faith.

I feel bad for Red (and Griffin). I think everyone here, regardless of whether we wanted to go outside for JB’s successor, really wanted Red to thrive once he was The Guy. And maybe we ‘outside hire, please’ guys are more critical and quicker on the trigger than the ‘stay in the family’ contingent, but good lord—this isn‘t a matter of nuance or hairsplitting. This is egregious. Another year compounds the problem.
 
I agree. How many years do you think Kiyan and Sadiq need before they make a jump to the next level though? I really don't know any more where the line is between 1 and done and needing 2-3 years.
Sadiq: 3. I need to see a jumpshot and some offensive skills with ballhandling and moves other than ‘dunk.’
Kiyan: 2+. Depends on how physical he is and whether he can defend. I’ve only seen highlights of offense. He can score, but is he going to be more like Bell or more like Gbinije?
 
Letting Autry have a third year without this current product greatly improving is absolutely foolish. As others have said, there is not one incoming player good enough to be afraid of losing due to a coaching change. If Autry stays, and we continue to see poor coaching in year three then what? If any of our current players or recruits wouldn't stick around if Autry is fired this year, why would they if he's replaced after year three? If you keep this staff as it is you risk digging the hole even deeper. Take your medicine now and rip off the bandaid. I will love Carmelo Anthony until the end of time, but he and his family should not hold the program hostage (if that is even the case).
 
I agree. How many years do you think Kiyan and Sadiq need before they make a jump to the next level though? I really don't know any more where the line is between 1 and done and needing 2-3 years.
Legit ready, for Kiyan maybe 3 years, he's polished but may not be an elite athlete

White-I see some similarities to Jerami Grant, higher rated at this point but probably needs 2 years like Grant.

I thought Freeman is more polished than White and you see how hard it is to be a clear cut 1 and done talent.
 
Despite their denials, the Syracuse espn radio guys, are well aware that there is a line that they may not cross in regards to SU sports. Ed Levine, the CEO at Galaxy, would be showing them the door if they were honest, just like he did to Brent Axe. Galaxy has the SU coaches come on every week- can’t see Pauly or Steve holding their feet to the fire and asking provocative questions. That would be the end of any interviews. This usually happens in smaller to medium markets where the local sports gods go unquestioned. Listen to Wfan( NYC),WIP( Philly) and other major radio markets. Most of the time there is no filter and they can be brutally honest.
Exactly, cant lose that access to the coaches for their weekly segments
 
People here love to trash Brent Axe, but he faced a similar elephant-in-the-room discussion about JB head on... and got fired for it.

Syracuse media is Charmin soft. It's always cracked me up when SU's various coaches get all p.r-i.ckly with them.
As an aside, the word filter on this site is colossally stupid.

I needed to write "p.r-i.ckly". Wut da fuhh.^k?
 
How many years do people think Kiyan and Sadiq will actually play college hoops just in general?

Not trying to stir up a fight, just want to know what people think. They clearly know a rebuild doesn't happen over night and the program is cratering right now.

Are we looking at a world where Kiyan is staying in Orange multiple years to develop? Obviously these guys can go at any time but would they give Autry a go next year and then look for their breakout year with a new coach during their Sophomore year.
I think both will need multiple years in college (at least from what I've seen). Sadiq is an athlete but has no offensive game and Kiyan gets buckets but isn't elite at anything else.
 
Sounds like Melo hasn't been scared off...


Q: Kiyan Anthony was at Tuesday’s game. After watching how bad Syracuse was, I wonder if he might reconsider his commitment?

Mike: Not a chance.

Kiyan Anthony, a four-star recruit in the ‘25 class, committed to Syracuse back in November. He did so knowing full well that Syracuse is undergoing a transition under Autry.

In fact, when I talked to Carmelo Anthony at his son’s college announcement party, the former Syracuse star acknowledged that the Orange program has been on a downward trend in recent years.

He said, “We’re getting the train back on track.’’

Carmelo Anthony’s comment referred to several areas, including recruiting at a higher level and increasing NIL commitments to recruit and retain players.

That tells me that both Kiyan and Carmelo made the decision to come to Syracuse knowing full well the work that’s needed to be done.
Gee thats a surprise.
 
Legit ready, for Kiyan maybe 3 years, he's polished but may not be an elite athlete

White-I see some similarities to Jerami Grant, higher rated at this point but probably needs 2 years like Grant.

I thought Freeman is more polished than White and you see how hard it is to be a clear cut 1 and done talent.
Thanks for this and others that responded on Kiyan and Sadiq.
 
As an aside, the word filter on this site is colossally stupid.

I needed to write "p.r-i.ckly". Wut da fuhh.^k?
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Sounds like Melo hasn't been scared off...


Q: Kiyan Anthony was at Tuesday’s game. After watching how bad Syracuse was, I wonder if he might reconsider his commitment?

Mike: Not a chance.

Kiyan Anthony, a four-star recruit in the ‘25 class, committed to Syracuse back in November. He did so knowing full well that Syracuse is undergoing a transition under Autry.

In fact, when I talked to Carmelo Anthony at his son’s college announcement party, the former Syracuse star acknowledged that the Orange program has been on a downward trend in recent years.

He said, “We’re getting the train back on track.’’

Carmelo Anthony’s comment referred to several areas, including recruiting at a higher level and increasing NIL commitments to recruit and retain players.

That tells me that both Kiyan and Carmelo made the decision to come to Syracuse knowing full well the work that’s needed to be done.

Was this the night of the Texas game, before the train had completely de-railed?
 
Here's my biggest issue with Red that is very fixable. There's no non-negotiable for the players. When JB was coaching and a player took a poor shot or didn't rotate on defense we all knew they were coming out and it was accompanied with an earful. I'm not debating JB's tack or tone, but every season things started a little loose and tightened up by the first big game under JB.

Is Red too nice to yank guys for shot selection or not rotating on defense? The same mistakes and sloppy play are maddening. This has nothing to do with talent or additional coaching experience.

This is only half true. Some players would get yanked and get an earful as soon as they made one mistake, other players, well, there were some players here who seemingly could not get yanked no matter how poorly they played.
 
Scale of 1-10 how depressing is it that Georgetown got there act together, hired a real coach and are actually good this year.
 
Scale of 1-10 how depressing is it that Georgetown got there act together, hired a real coach and are actually good this year.

How can we be depressed? They hired a coach with a proven track record of success.

We should be "depressed" that we elevated other BS criteria -- like having former ties to the program -- over bringing in the best head coaching candidate that we could possibly land, and going through an exhaustive process of due diligence to identify the best possible candidate who was a fit for our program.
 
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