Wildhack is on the Clock

[FloridaCuse]

How can we be depressed? They hired a coach with a proven track record of success.

We should be "depressed" that we elevated other BS criteria -- like having former ties to the program -- over bringing in the best head coaching candidate that we could possibly land, and going through an exhaustive process of due diligence to identify the best possible candidate who was a fit for our program.

You're trying to be logical. Hating Georgetown isn't based on logic. It's pure emotion. It's like hating Notre Dame & Penn St. in football. It comes with being a Syracuse FAN. Oh who do we root for in the CFP Orange Bowl game next week when you hate both teams?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

You're trying to be logical. Hating Georgetown isn't based on logic. It's pure emotion. It's like hating Notre Dame & Penn St. in football. It comes with being a Syracuse FAN. Oh who do we root for in the CFP Orange Bowl game next week when you hate both teams?

No time for all that hate. There’s already so much to feel bad about.
I applied to Penn State as a backup. My sister got a masters there. That rivalry expired long ago. I’ll take PSU over ND, please.

 

[CuseCPT]

How can we be depressed? They hired a coach with a proven track record of success.

We should be "depressed" that we elevated other BS criteria -- like having former ties to the program -- over bringing in the best head coaching candidate that we could possibly land, and going through an exhaustive process of due diligence to identify the best possible candidate who was a fit for our program.

That's why I get so frustrated with excuses that apply to just about every other program in the college basketball. Everyone else has to deal with the portal. Everyone else has to deal with players going pro. Almost everyone else has to deal with NIL shortages (looking at you $EC).

The depressing thing is that the overwhelming majority of problems we have right now are self-inflicted - a hamstrung hiring process for a coach after a decline that was allowed to go on way too long, roster construction, minute allocation, regression of skills, lack of an identity at either end of the court, etc..

We should be happy Georgetown got their act together because if they can there sure as hell is no reason we can't.

 

[orlandoorange]

You're trying to be logical. Hating Georgetown isn't based on logic. It's pure emotion. It's like hating Notre Dame & Penn St. in football. It comes with being a Syracuse FAN. Oh who do we root for in the CFP Orange Bowl game next week when you hate both teams?

Hating Georgetown, Ped State, and ND is 100% logic based.

 

[zjscuse]

How can we be depressed? They hired a coach with a proven track record of success.

We should be "depressed" that we elevated other BS criteria -- like having former ties to the program -- over bringing in the best head coaching candidate that we could possibly land, and going through an exhaustive process of due diligence to identify the best possible candidate who was a fit for our program

…….. that’s the joke

 

[dan7800]

Hating Georgetown isn't based on logic.

Reported.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Scale of 1-10 how depressing is it that Georgetown got there act together, hired a real coach and are actually good this year.

But keep in mind Georgetown was in the wilderness for 6 years with Ewing since JT3 left and even he had a couple of really bad years before he was fired. We are not even done with year 2.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Keep in mind Georgetown barely beat us without Starling. Not really impressed.

 

[baggerbob]

That's why I get so frustrated with excuses that apply to just about every other program in the college basketball. Everyone else has to deal with the portal. Everyone else has to deal with players going pro. Almost everyone else has to deal with NIL shortages (looking at you $EC).

The depressing thing is that the overwhelming majority of problems we have right now are self-inflicted - a hamstrung hiring process for a coach after a decline that was allowed to go on way too long, roster construction, minute allocation, regression of skills, lack of an identity at either end of the court, etc..

We should be happy Georgetown got their act together because if they can there sure as hell is no reason we can't.

We should have put the entire past 40+ years to bed thank you, and done a National search. Happy for the time JB was here ,but it is time for a new chapter.
It needs to start brand new next year, because I would like to be around to see football and basketball great again.
Will be 79 in July so who knows, but JW needs to fix this.

 

[kcsu]

We should have put the entire past 40+ years to bed thank you, and done a National search. Happy for the time JB was here ,but it is time for a new chapter.
It needs to start brand new next year, because I would like to be around to see football and basketball great again.
Will be 79 in July so who knows, but JW needs to fix this.

Nobody wants us better in bball than JW. He has been dealing with a mess. I believe he is going to get this straight just not sure it is going to be after this year.

 

[RF2044]

Nobody wants us better in bball than JW. He has been dealing with a mess. I believe he is going to get this straight just not sure it is going to be after this year.

Stop.

As the athletic director, JW is accountable for this situation. He directly contributed to this "mess" by hiring an unqualified head coach.

I get that JW is an alum, and a fan of SU sports, in addition to being the AD -- but almost all of this could have been avoided by not taking the path of least resistance.

And here we are.

 

[bnoro]

But keep in mind Georgetown was in the wilderness for 6 years with Ewing since JT3 left and even he had a couple of really bad years before he was fired. We are not even done with year 2.

We had almost 10 years of JB mailing it in before this...

 

[orangecuse]

Stop.

As the athletic director, JW is accountable for this situation. He directly contributed to this "mess" by hiring an unqualified head coach.

I get that JW is an alum, and a fan of SU sports, in addition to being the AD -- but almost all of this could have been avoided by not taking the path of least resistance.

And here we are.

I completely agree, along with saying, when it comes to this particular topic et al, you've been as dead on as one could be IMO. JW 100% owns this...period!

Wildhack said, Autry has been exposed to every aspect of the sport, and that uniquely prepares him for the job. “Adrian earned this,” Wildhack said Friday. “Adrian’s not here because he’s an alum, because he played here, because he’s an associate coach here. He’s here because I believe he’s the best candidate to lead this program and sustain the success that coach Boeheim has established over 47 years.”

 

[Jack_Ball]

Stop.

As the athletic director, JW is accountable for this situation. He directly contributed to this "mess" by hiring an unqualified head coach.

I get that JW is an alum, and a fan of SU sports, in addition to being the AD -- but almost all of this could have been avoided by not taking the path of least resistance.

And here we are.

JW has been AD since 2016...Its now 2025. Who else would be responsible? We have been to the tourney 3 times since he has been AD & after this year will have missed it 4 years in a row. Not great

 

[hoopsupstate]

We had almost 10 years of JB mailing it in before this...

The mistake was when Hop left, JW should have done a search at that point. It was the perfect opportunity to do a national search because no one on staff would have been expected to take over. He was worried about keeping everything as normal as possible so he extended JB. JB got exactly what he wanted.

 

[RF2044]

The mistake was when Hop left, JW should have done a search at that point. It was the perfect opportunity to do a national search because no one on staff would have been expected to take over. He was worried about keeping everything as normal as possible so he extended JB. JB got exactly what he wanted.

There was another factor. In a misguided attempt to seek leniency from the NCAA, the university put together a plan for Boeheim to step down at a designated time frame. Part of that plan was naming a successor, and JB at least publicly went along with the plan.

Problem was, his son's both ended up being division 1 basketball prospects, and were graduating from high school right around the time he was supposed to walk away. He wanted to coach them, and had no desire whatsoever to walk away, so he reneged on the deal.

If the timing had been anything different, if he didn't have kids at the exact age or they weren't quite as good at hoops [especially Buddy], maybe he would have stuck with the documented plan. But probably not, because JB was stubborn.

We'll never know.

 

[hoopsupstate]

There was another factor. In a misguided attempt to seek leniency from the ncaa, the university put together a plan for behind to step down at a designated time frame. Part of that plan was naming a successor, and JB at least publicly went along with the plan. Only problem was, his son's both ended up being division 1 basketball prospects, and were graduating from high school right around the time he was supposed to walk away. He wanted to coach them, and had no desire whatsoever to walk away, so he reneged on the deal.

Because JW allowed it to happen. It was supposed to be JB’s last year so all JW had to do was follow the plan even if he had to find someone else besides Hop.

 

[baggerbob]

Stop.

As the athletic director, JW is accountable for this situation. He directly contributed to this "mess" by hiring an unqualified head coach.

I get that JW is an alum, and a fan of SU sports, in addition to being the AD -- but almost all of this could have been avoided by not taking the path of least resistance.

And here we are.

No it wasn't his fault it was all the people who supported JB, and many on this board who said JB had the right to leave when he wanted.
Had JB stepped down after the 2nd probation as he should we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's on the fans who allowed this to happen.
As I have said it was a great 40 years, but I was a fan back when Jim played on the team.
Went threw the record setting losing streak, and it was Dave Bing who brought the program back from the dead.

 

[bnoro]

The mistake was when Hop left, JW should have done a search at that point. It was the perfect opportunity to do a national search because no one on staff would have been expected to take over. He was worried about keeping everything as normal as possible so he extended JB. JB got exactly what he wanted.

A national search for what, a head coach?

1. JB would have lost his mind about this, and dug his heels in harder
2. No nationally respected coach would consider "interviewing" for a role that was already held by Boeheim
3. Even if they did, then what? Would Nate Oats sit the bench until JB retired?

 

[hoopsupstate]

A national search for what, a head coach?

1. JB would have lost his mind about this, and dug his heels in harder
2. No nationally respected coach would consider "interviewing" for a role that was already held by Boeheim
3. Even if they did, then what? Would Nate Oats sit the bench until JB retired?

He was supposed to go. The plan was in place and when you’re the AD you have to make tough decisions. All he had to do was follow through. The CHANCELLOR had already determined what the plan was supposed to be. Execute it and who knows where we might be today. I doubt we would be any worse. It would be a great question to ask the Chancellor why he allowed the plan to not be followed.

 

[kingtidge]

He was supposed to go. The plan was in place and when you’re the AD you have to make tough decisions. All he had to do was follow through. The CHANCELLOR had already determined what the plan was supposed to be. Execute it and who knows where we might be today. I doubt we would be any worse. It would be a great question to ask the Chancellor why he allowed the plan to not be followed.

When you have been the Duke of CNY A#1 for 40+ years, you acquire and consolidate a fair amount of power... Especially with big whale doners that are heavily invested in your success and they really know how hurt (as in stop writing checks when you say the word.)

You let someone become bigger than the program and you are subject to how they wield that power.

It's what happened here.

The final vestiges of that power and legacy are what we are watching now.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Remember that game under JB—an early season game against a local-ish D2 team[?] where we tried to play man and that defense was getting destroyed until we switched back to zone? Who was that?

Anyway, so, that’s who we are, still. Our staff, even though it’s just two guys remaining, still has zero M2M coaching skills. Zero. We play only the vaguest concept of man-to-man. In the number of years since that experiment-gone-bad, we have not developed M2M technique. Why would any AD believe we’re going to resolve that in the next ten months, with an (almost?) entirely new roster? Even if everyone we bring in is a man defensive specialist, I’d expect regression toward incompetence.

Change is needed. Profound change, not another experiment in faith.

I feel bad for Red (and Griffin). I think everyone here, regardless of whether we wanted to go outside for JB’s successor, really wanted Red to thrive once he was The Guy. And maybe we ‘outside hire, please’ guys are more critical and quicker on the trigger than the ‘stay in the family’ contingent, but good lord—this isn‘t a matter of nuance or hairsplitting. This is egregious. Another year compounds the problem.

I never feel bad for people that are given amazing opportunities and fail. Opportunities at elite levels are hard to come by. They require hard work and elite skill to succeed.

 

[FloridaCuse]

When you have been the Duke of CNY A#1 for 40+ years, you acquire and consolidate a fair amount of power... Especially with big whale doners that are heavily invested in your success and they really know how hurt (as in stop writing checks when you say the word.)

You let someone become bigger than the program and you are subject to how they wield that power.

It's what happened here.

The final vestiges of that power and legacy are what we are watching now.

except . . . this isn't who he recommended succeed him as coach. Or so many say.

 

[Sherman20]

No it wasn't his fault it was all the people who supported JB, and many on this board who said JB had the right to leave when he wanted.
Had JB stepped down after the 2nd probation as he should we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's on the fans who allowed this to happen.
As I have said it was a great 40 years, but I was a fan back when Jim played on the team.
Went threw the record setting losing streak, and it was Dave Bing who brought the program back from the dead.

It’s the fans’ fault and posters on this board? Wow, that’s a helluva argument. I mean, you can lay some of the blame at influential wealthy boosters who may have held some sway, but the average fan has nothing to do with this mess. Most of the blame lays squarely with JB, Wildhack for indecisive action, the athletic department and university leaders (Syverud and the board). At the very least JB should have been forced out after Buddy and Jimmy graduated and a national search should have been conducted.

 

[CuseCPT]

except . . . this isn't who he recommended succeed him as coach. Or so many say.

I think Red was the compromise choice. Both the University and JB didn't get what they wanted, but they could both live with it.