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Wildhack is on the Clock

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FloridaCuse said:
except . . . this isn't who he recommended succeed him as coach. Or so many say.
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Who knows? It would have been next to impossible to hire any ass't not named Red. He was the top ass't. He had more experience than Gerry. He had coached at a different program than Gerry had. So, you would have bypassed Red for Gerry and we haven't even talked about the elephant in the room by doing that. If we were going to keep it inhouse, a mistake I thought at the time, it had to be Red.
 
RF2044 said:
Stop.

As the athletic director, JW is accountable for this situation. He directly contributed to this "mess" by hiring an unqualified head coach.

I get that JW is an alum, and a fan of SU sports, in addition to being the AD -- but almost all of this could have been avoided by not taking the path of least resistance.

And here we are.
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We wish it was that simple in replacing a HOF legend whose best friend is Dave Bing, has his name on the court is friends with the biggest money supporters of the program and wanted to keep his successor in the family. Yes, he is accountable, and he made the right move. Actually, the only move. Because it isn't working out doesn't mean that it wasn't the right move at the time. I'm sure he is on top of it and I'm sure SU basketball will survive and get back to being a strong program under his direction.
 
dasher said:
Who knows? It would have been next to impossible to hire any ass't not named Red. He was the top ass't. He had more experience than Gerry. He had coached at a different program than Gerry had. So, you would have bypassed Red for Gerry and we haven't even talked about the elephant in the room by doing that. If we were going to keep it inhouse, a mistake I thought at the time, it had to be Red.
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Of course it did. There was no other option.
 
kcsu said:
We wish it was that simple in replacing a HOF legend whose best friend is Dave Bing, has his name on the court is friends with the biggest money supporters of the program and wanted to keep his successor in the family. Yes, he is accountable, and he made the right move. Actually, the only move. Because it isn't working out doesn't mean that it wasn't the right move at the time. I'm sure he is on top of it and I'm sure SU basketball will survive and get back to being a strong program under his direction.
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It wasn't the right move at the time, and everything else is just rationalized confirmatory bias to pretend that we had limited choices.

In actuality, JB's lack of performance meant that the end should have probably come sooner than it did, and his conduct leading up to the end meant that the AD shouldn't have catered to him anymore. JB deserves everything for the program he built, but also a lion's share of blame for the 8-year extended decline.

Pretending that choices were constrained, or that we had limited options, is what led to this mess.

Which is why I responded the way I did to the post you made above. Of course JW wants the basketball program to be successful. But his actions and choices have not maximized the possibility of that happening. Talking about who bleeds orange, who loves Syracuse Athletics more, is all bunk. This is a performance driven profession, and making wishy-washy decisions based on feelings and unimportant evaluative criteria is the wrong approach.

As we have definitively seen over the last year and a half.
 
baggerbob said:
No it wasn't his fault it was all the people who supported JB, and many on this board who said JB had the right to leave when he wanted.
Had JB stepped down after the 2nd probation as he should we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's on the fans who allowed this to happen.
As I have said it was a great 40 years, but I was a fan back when Jim played on the team.
Went threw the record setting losing streak, and it was Dave Bing who brought the program back from the dead.
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It’s on the fans?

That’s a take. Not a good one but it’s a take.
 
dasher said:
Who knows? It would have been next to impossible to hire any ass't not named Red. He was the top ass't. He had more experience than Gerry. He had coached at a different program than Gerry had. So, you would have bypassed Red for Gerry and we haven't even talked about the elephant in the room by doing that. If we were going to keep it inhouse, a mistake I thought at the time, it had to be Red.
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And that proved to be 100% correct.

The other option was to not artificially constrain ourselves, given that the in-house candidates were all flawed to varying degrees, and to make a clean break.

Which is unequivocally what Wildhack SHOULD have done in 2023, but his failure to do so despite "bleeding orange" has now set our program back even further. A compounded mistake that I'm certain JW would take back if he could.
 
This is pure conjecture, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all our portal guys this year are seniors. They’ll exit stage left after this season and I suspect there is some expectation to fill out the roster with a MUCH higher level of portal guys in anticipation of a BIG jump next year. Also conjecture that Melo might be important to that plan. This year feels like a make weight kind of year to endure and not clog up roster spots or use up resources.
 
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RF2044 said:
It wasn't the right move at the time, and everything else is just rationalized confirmatory bias to pretend that we had limited choices.

In actuality, JB's lack of performance meant that the end should have probably come sooner than it did, and his conduct leading up to the end meant that the AD shouldn't have catered to him anymore. JB deserves everything for the program he built, but also a lion's share of blame for the 8-year extended decline.

Pretending that choices were constrained, or that we had limited options, is what led to this mess.

Which is why I responded the way I did to the post you made above. Of course JW wants the basketball program to be successful. But his actions and choices have not maximized the possibility of that happening. Talking about who bleeds orange, who loves Syracuse Athletics more, is all bunk. This is a performance driven profession, and making wishy-washy decisions based on feelings and unimportant evaluative criteria is the wrong approach.

As we have definitively seen over the last year and a half.
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I'm as frustrated as anyone. I bleed Orange and Red has been horrible so I get it. I just don't think that JW really had an opportunity to go outside the family to replace Jim
 
hoopsupstate said:
Because JW allowed it to happen. It was supposed to be JB’s last year so all JW had to do was follow the plan even if he had to find someone else besides Hop.
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This is incorrect, JW isn't the sole arbiter of firing coaches. People don't realize if it wasn't for Wildhack JB would still be the coach right now.
 
OrangeFoo said:
But keep in mind Georgetown was in the wilderness for 6 years with Ewing since JT3 left and even he had a couple of really bad years before he was fired. We are not even done with year 2.
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That’s the point of the post are we going to keep lumbering in the wilderness without a light like they did or just cut off the the bleeding.
 
JOC44 said:
This is pure conjecture, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all our portal guys this year are seniors. They’ll exit stage left after this season and I suspect there is some expectation to fill out the roster with a MUCH higher level of portal guys in anticipation of a BIG jump next year. Also conjecture that Melo might be important to that plan. This year feels like a make weight kind of year to endure and not clog up roster spots or use up resources.
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I sincerely doubt that had major donors pony up 800k to get Lampkin if the plan was to do the college version of tanking
 
Dasher, I agree with you. Especially the elephant in the room part. I was aware of that before the hiring was announced, if it was going to stay inside the program. I was replying to Kingtidge's post that in effect stated that JB was responsible for all of it including the hiring of his successor. Though one could say he was still responsible by putting JW in the position of in effect dictating JW's choice if he was going to hire from within. Though he couldn't really do it, and we'll ever know, I still think the 2nd assistant in line would have turned out to be the better coach for the team. As I've posted earlier (in another thread), maybe he'll get that opportunity as the one after the next one. All conjecture of course.
 
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