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Exactly.
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Is JB still getting paid?
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Hooray. We saved “ourselves” money. What did that get us?
Also Mack is better by literally every metric than Carlos
Oh and he’s a Soph and has two more years
The way I see it is Red needs big NIL to keep his job when someone like Fran needs NIL to elevate it
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Yes, and that name cost Carmelo $3M. If you are optimistic, you might consider that Melo has been donating all along. He has Syracuse close to his heart and I do not believe he would have allowed Kiyan to commit if he wasn't looking forward to Kiyan doing well and being coached well here.
There is so much negativity in the threads about Adrian Autry. You all seem to want instant winners the minute any coach steps on the court or playing field. Hell, 20 - 12 is a good record for a first - year coach following my friend Jim Boeheim's departure.
Give the man a chance. You don't get great in one or two years. Let the players he's recruited for next year come in and see what they can do. If it is "still a mess" quoting some on this board then we look elsewhere. He has to get this team back to where it was in the 80's - no small feat.
I am just tired of the constant kick the man out feature that has been prevalent here. JW decided to stay in house, so we have to live with that. That you want NCAA Final Four every year is somehow unrealistic to me, especially when the man is just beginning his head coaching career on a down beat after JB left with players much less talented than he usually recruits - that's life, poor recruiting. But now Autry has players coming in. I am anxious to see how they play. JJ's broken hand happened at a bad time - we were just beginning to show positive signs of a team that was breaking out of its doldrums.
We can see how this all plays out without putting Autry's head under a tire that is your conversation - rhetoric as I see it since the beginning of this season. It does not look good for SU at the moment, but to be fair we have to see what Autry can do. He's used to winning when he was here from orange hoops see below:
"Autry replaced sophomore Michael Edwards as the starting point guard his first season at Syracuse. It was a team with a excellent front court of Billy Owens, Dave Johnson, and Leron Ellis, and the team needed a solid point guard. Autry met that need, and helped guide the Orangemen to a 26-4 regular season, winning the Big East regular season title. The Orangemen would stumble in both their post season games, and finish at 26-6, but an excellent season overall. Autry would be named to the Big East All Rookie Team.
Autry felt more pressure at the point his sophomore season with the departure of Owens. Whereas Owens handled some of the playmaking duties the previous season, and was the man keyed by all defensive schemes, the loss of Owens allowed opposing defenses to put more pressure on Autry. Autry and Mike Hopkins formed a formidable defensive duo in Syracuse's zone defense as they two were 6'4" and 6'5" respectively. Syracuse would end up winning the Big East tournament over Georgetown 56-54.
Autry became a more prominent scorer his junior season, second on the team in scoring behind Lawrence Moten. Autry had become an excellent free throw shooter, making nearly 80% of his attempts. He would score 31 points and have 10 assists in a 95-79 victory over Pitt. The Orangemen were banned from postseason play that season, so no post season heroics for the Orangemen. Autry would make the Big East 3rd Team his junior season.
Autry became a star point guard his senior season, averaging over six assists a game and nearly seventeen points. He had developed into an effective three-point shooter, and he, Moten, and John Wallace were a solid scoring trio. Autry would have a stellar game against Kentucky leading the Orangemen to a 93-85 victory. He would score 30 points going 10-15 from the floor, 6-6 from the free throw line, and 4-7 from three - point range, and he added 10 assists to top that off."
Whether that translates to being an effective, winning coach remains to be seen.
Autry felt more pressure at the point his sophomore season with the departure of Owens. Whereas Owens handled some of the playmaking duties the previous season, and was the man keyed by all defensive schemes, the loss of Owens allowed opposing defenses to put more pressure on Autry. Autry and Mike Hopkins formed a formidable defensive duo in Syracuse's zone defense as they two were 6'4" and 6'5" respectively. Syracuse would end up winning the Big East tournament over Georgetown 56-54.
Autry became a more prominent scorer his junior season, second on the team in scoring behind Lawrence Moten. Autry had become an excellent free throw shooter, making nearly 80% of his attempts. He would score 31 points and have 10 assists in a 95-79 victory over Pitt. The Orangemen were banned from postseason play that season, so no post season heroics for the Orangemen. Autry would make the Big East 3rd Team his junior season.
Autry became a star point guard his senior season, averaging over six assists a game and nearly seventeen points. He had developed into an effective three-point shooter, and he, Moten, and John Wallace were a solid scoring trio. Autry would have a stellar game against Kentucky leading the Orangemen to a 93-85 victory. He would score 30 points going 10-15 from the floor, 6-6 from the free throw line, and 4-7 from three - point range, and he added 10 assists to top that off."
Whether that translates to being an effective, winning coach remains to be seen.
Even if you aren't getting tons of funds, you should be outperforming the lymoyne's and the Youngstown states' of the world to the tune of 20+ points. You also shouldnt need elite players to beat teams like Georgetown and Notre Dame. Thats really a lame excuse and one that makes you sound more like a glorified babysitter than a coach.
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Doubtful.
I've mentioned his 30-pt game vs Kentucky a number of times.
And he also scored 31 in his final game against Missouri in the Sweet 16 - ironman 43 minutes - with SEVEN turnovers (!!!).
Syracuse had 19 total TO's; Mizzou had eight. Feels like 2024.
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I’m SO SICK of this straw-man.
We’re asking to MAKE THE TOURNEY!!! Hell, just be on the bubble.
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A decade of irrelevance. It hasn’t been18 months. Red was absolutely a big part of the program before he was made head coach.
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Football will make the tourney in 2026
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What does his playing career have to do with him as a coach?
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Feels like the coach following JB was always going to have a tough steep hill to climb.
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ND was picked ahead of us in the ACC this year. Why are we suppose to beat ND? This program is severely lacking in talent. Red is upgrading talent with his first class with more to come next year. The portal has been disappointing, but Bell is the biggest reason this team is underachieving. Losing JJ hasn’t helped either.
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That's just not true. Red is not a head coach and there should have been a national search for JBs replacement. However, I feel JW let JB have to much input into his replacement. I don't care if SU losses commitments because I have no confidence that Red could coach them to play defense or provide a competent starting five.
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I agree. They promoted internally and it has blown up.
Ironic you use the word "inspire". Last year when the decision was to go with one assistant over the other there were many people within the program saying one of those candidates "just isn't inspiring"...
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I was of the opinion that both assistants were uninspiring.
I have heard a different take from people within the program on the candidate that is currently living in the State Capital.
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I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous take. We have a void of talent on the current roster outside of the two true freshman (that Red recruited). We have an excellent class coming in next season. You cannot afford to lose that class and have even less talent on the hill.
Especially when we've shown we are awful at scouting the portal/having the money to close top portal targets.
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Bnoro, I usually agree with your input (99.9% of the time) but I just have no confidence that Autry can coach an all-star team to victory. You are also assuming that the next hire cannot recruit as good or better then Autry. I would like a national search and have that hire bring in his own assistances. We have all gone through the "Dino" experience and I prefer not to have that happen to the basketball program. Unfortunately the wheels are turning into that same scenario.
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agree. I'm frustrated by his in-game coaching but he can get better there...I hope. The talent issue he's upgrading and JW knows that. He really needs to pull out more wins this year and avoid a disastrous season.
So the talent evaluations of the players brought in to replace those transfers - that’s not the fault of the head coach? The questionable lineups and substitution patterns during games with these players - also not the fault of the head coach?
They are supposed to beat ND because ND is not good. It is a program in shambles who has won 13 or less games 3 of the last 4 years. That team also doesn't have elite talent, some might argue without burton they dont even have good talent. The fact that they were ahead of syracuse in the ACC poll is an indictment on syracuse, not praise for ND.
The biggest reason this team is underachieving is because the coach built a poorly scouted roster around 2 of the worst defenders in the P5 (possibly the country). It sucks that bells shooting is bad, but why is no one fixing it? GMac fixed JJ's wonk a$$ shot last year, yet no one on this staff can figure out how the "best shooter in the country" cant even get into the low 30%s? Sorry, this has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with coaching. The worst thing for this program is red brings in a great roster and still squanders all the talent. Millions out the door, attendance dropping to embarrassing levels and a easy negative recruiting pitch: "lf you want to improve and win, you dont go to syracuse"
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