Wildhack is on the Clock

[kingtidge]

I'm not sure Kiyan has the NBA aspirations you think he has and I'm sure he knows he's not near a 1 and done. Or if he does he doesn't need the money and can do something else and make just as much money.

Kiyan is worth 40 mil on his own with his businesses. That's not inheritance when his parents die. This is his money now. He's been getting NIL deals for years now and his own brands and clothing lines down in the City.

These recruits watched us squeak out a 2 point win against Lemoyne then signed. I don't think they signed up expecting a final 4 team next year. Their minds can change and I think Autry is cooked for what its worth.
My username is for my Dogs name by the way and he was called Red long before Autry became coach.

OK, so then USC and Musselman at # 2 were just for appearances if you are correct.

 

[hoopsupstate]

You are a great poster, and I agree with your takes most of the time.
But we are in a precarious position right now.
There seems to be very shortly a new round of conference shifting coming up.
Fran is preparing us on the football side.
Basketball has to be back as a top 25 team in order for us to get that Big invite.
We can't afford another year of Red.
A third bad year and we very well could be left behind in a dying conference.

I will wait to judge Fran when we lose McCord. We might have won five games this year without McCord. People were drooling over Babers when we had Dungey.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

I will be honest, I don't know how Kiyan or the fact Melo will be watching in the stands gets us veteran portal guys who are older than him, have been in college to come to Cuse. Maybe it happens, great.

Can Melo get Mike Woodson out of IU to come to SU like Calipari from Tucky to Arky or Enfield from USC to SMU?

Which got me thinking, what did USC get for the Bronny James experience? Isaiah Collier was there and the team was a circus, finished in last place and Endfield had to skip town to SMU due to the failed season. It basically was a disaster and we are already trending that way.

I don't think Melo has that much pull with Woodson, but he hates modern-day basketball. His IU teams have consistently been in the bottom 20 nationally in three-point attempt rate. Sure he'd be an upgrade from Autry because his teams aren't total matadors on defense, but he's pretty uninspiring IMO. I'm pretty locked in on Hodgson as far as (hopefully) realistic targets go.

 

[AcAndAc]

I don't think Melo has that much pull with Woodson, but he hates modern-day basketball. His IU teams have consistently been in the bottom 20 nationally in three-point attempt rate. Sure he'd be an upgrade from Autry because his teams aren't total matadors on defense, but he's pretty uninspiring IMO. I'm pretty locked in on Hodgson as far as (hopefully) realistic targets go.

The issue is not just firing someone... but whether there is a good replacement. Remember the firing of Coach P. If you are going not getting the guy you want and are just going to hire the best guy available... it is probably better to stick with the guy you have until you can get the guy you want. A bad hire after Boeheim is defensible... a second bad hire will be much more of a disaster.

 

[kingtidge]

I'm pretty locked in on Hodgson as far as (hopefully) realistic targets go.

Me as well.

I just have a hard time thinking Syracuse will can ANY coach after 2 years (unless the gameday attendances and whale donations crater - which they may.)

 

[kingtidge]

The issue is not just firing someone... but whether there is a good replacement. Remember the firing of Coach P. If you are going not getting the guy you want and are just going to hire the best guy available... it is probably better to stick with the guy you have until you can get the guy you want. A bad hire after Boeheim is defensible... a second bad hire will be much more of a disaster.

It's why Wildhack gets the big $$$ and he's not TGD (who wound up also being a clown.)

Real programs make tough decisions and have good contingency plans/hires.

But every new hire is a gamble to some degree.

 

[kingtidge]

read... i said that it is my opinion. I have no clue. For all I know Melo can't stand Red but likes SU so much that he encouraged his son to sign with Syracuse not caring at all who the coach was going to be,

This is all conjecture and opinion. I am debating you on it is all.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I’m glad fans weren’t deciding to fire Coach Mac after two years. I’m sure JW will sit down with Red at the end of the year, no matter what happens the rest of this season, and put parameters on what ‘s expected in year three. They can add another coach to the staff and there should be stipulations on who they hire. Let the process play out. You don’t make emotional decisions. There’s money involved and pieces in place that‘s been put in place that you don’t just throw away. Fans have their views, but they don’t make decisions. If we’re sitting in the same place next year at this time, then the decision will be easy to make. At the moment, what’s hurting this team the most is the constant negativity by people who think they know more than the coaching staff. JW has to look at the two people that were expected to carry this team, JJ and Bell and not either playing or performing to their expectations. Take the two best players off any team and see how they perform. Red is dealing with a lot of moving parts right now. Let’s hope he can figure this out. He’s constantly says he needs to fix it. Let’s see if he can.

 

[AcAndAc]

It's why Wildhack gets the big $$$ and he's not TGD (who wound up also being a clown.)

Real programs make tough decisions and have good contingency plans/hires.

But every new hire is a gamble to some degree.

Sure. But if a top candidate is available, then that justifies making an earlier move. If the candidates are weak, why not give him another year and see if the next crop is better? No sense in a move for the sake of a move.

 

[grepal]

Board "fact," IMHO. Carmelo's kid committed to play for Syracuse under Red the HC, so...

Truthfully, we have no idea what the Anthony clan would do if Red were replaced. Perhaps they'd feel worse about having Kiyan come here if this season continues to unfold the way it has. Maybe they'd be supportive of a change, so that their kid can be part of the program's resurgence instead of it's middling decline.

Or maybe they would reconsider entirely if Red is replaced.

I find the first set of scenarios equally as possible as the worrisome one. And I'm not sure that we should have what the Anthony's choose to do factor into the AD's decision AT ALL about what to do with Red after the season.

There are two people that should be talked to about the next hire, if there will be a next hire, for their input besides John's inner circle, JAB and Melo.

 

[wiCuse]

Here's where I'm at. I find it interesting that the board posters that are in the "know" have been quite lately. I have to imagine JW and others want to see if anything turns around when JJ returns. I have to imagine things are very fluid right now.

I'm willing to lose Team Melo for Hodgson or some other up and coming coach. I wanted to Red to work and I'd be happy to be wrong if by some miracle things get turned around this season.

 

[DilemaCuse]

The issue is not just firing someone... but whether there is a good replacement. Remember the firing of Coach P. If you are going not getting the guy you want and are just going to hire the best guy available... it is probably better to stick with the guy you have until you can get the guy you want. A bad hire after Boeheim is defensible... a second bad hire will be much more of a disaster.

Ha, Red was not the best guy available on the last go around. Now some are debating if he was even the best guy on the bench between the 3 assistants.

 

[FloridaCuse]

There are very few facts on a fan board. Most of what we have are opinions which lead to this post. It's what makes it interesting. My take is that keeping Red=keeping Melo and the current recruits. I think that we have a better chance at winning next season with that combination than getting a new coach. It's just an opinion. One that I will defend to the death

But it's not about, or not just about, next year. It's about the long-term health and future of the program. And if there will be one. I get it may be important about keeping him for a better result next year, however you define better. But many of us commenting on this Board about there needing to be a change sooner are doing so with the long term in mind, not next year.

 

[dasher]

There are two people that should be talked to about the next hire, if there will be a next hire, for their input besides John's inner circle, JAB and Melo.

I don't want JAB anywhere near the decision making. He hasn't showed that he would be good at making or helping make that decision.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

The issue is not just firing someone... but whether there is a good replacement. Remember the firing of Coach P. If you are going not getting the guy you want and are just going to hire the best guy available... it is probably better to stick with the guy you have until you can get the guy you want. A bad hire after Boeheim is defensible... a second bad hire will be much more of a disaster.

It wasn't exactly hindsight to believe that someone in his mid-50's who had never been an HC at any level wouldn't work out, to put it lightly.

I'm of the mind that it's the AD's job to have an honest appraisal of how alluring any HC role under his watch is and to have his eye on the market at all times, even if there's no imminent need to make a move.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I’m glad fans weren’t deciding to fire Coach Mac after two years. I’m sure JW will sit down with Red at the end of the year, no matter what happens the rest of this season, and put parameters on what ‘s expected in year three. They can add another coach to the staff and there should be stipulations on who they hire. Let the process play out. You don’t make emotional decisions. There’s money involved and pieces in place that‘s been put in place that you don’t just throw away. Fans have their views, but they don’t make decisions. If we’re sitting in the same place next year at this time, then the decision will be easy to make. At the moment, what’s hurting this team the most is the constant negativity by people who think they know more than the coaching staff. JW has to look at the two people that were expected to carry this team, JJ and Bell and not either playing or performing to their expectations. Take the two best players off any team and see how they perform. Red is dealing with a lot of moving parts right now. Let’s hope he can figure this out. He’s constantly says he needs to fix it. Let’s see if he can.

What does this mean? What are you referring to?

If its $ invested then we are getting a horrible ROI and you should cut your losses.

Pieces in place? Is that recruits?

Yeah Id say money is involved from lost attendance revenue

 

[FloridaCuse]

I don't want JAB anywhere near the decision making. He hasn't showed that he would be good at making or helping make that decision.

But he may have known that Gerry would have been the better coach.

 

[dasher]

But he may have known that Gerry would have been the better coach.

Gerry is doing a good job at Siena so far. He hasn't showed that he would be any better than what Red has done here so far. Which is, not much.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I’m glad fans weren’t deciding to fire Coach Mac after two years. I’m sure JW will sit down with Red at the end of the year, no matter what happens the rest of this season, and put parameters on what ‘s expected in year three. They can add another coach to the staff and there should be stipulations on who they hire. Let the process play out. You don’t make emotional decisions. There’s money involved and pieces in place that‘s been put in place that you don’t just throw away. Fans have their views, but they don’t make decisions. If we’re sitting in the same place next year at this time, then the decision will be easy to make. At the moment, what’s hurting this team the most is the constant negativity by people who think they know more than the coaching staff. JW has to look at the two people that were expected to carry this team, JJ and Bell and not either playing or performing to their expectations. Take the two best players off any team and see how they perform. Red is dealing with a lot of moving parts right now. Let’s hope he can figure this out. He’s constantly says he needs to fix it. Let’s see if he can.

I disagree. What's hurting this team the most is the seeming lack of good coaching. And the lack of talent. It's not the negativity by FANS on this board. They (we) comment because they (we) care!

 

[dasher]

What does this mean? What are you referring to?

If its $ invested then we are getting a horrible ROI and you should cut your losses.

Pieces in place? Is that recruits?

Yeah Id say money is involved from lost attendance revenue

He isn't talking about that. And he is right. There are things going on that if we changed right now, we would lose and these things could, could, pay big dividends down the road. Now, you are not wrong as well. Maybe it is better for us in the long run to rip the band aid off and start over. It just isn't as easy a call as fans would think it is.

 

[RF2044]

There are two people that should be talked to about the next hire, if there will be a next hire, for their input besides John's inner circle, JAB and Melo.

No way on JB.

JB was an institution. I am immensely grateful for all of the joy that JB has brought to my life, as an SU fan, my entire life.

But at the end, JB was only about JB. I understand the sentiment, but I don't want him anywhere near the decision making process -- he already gunked things up last time, and while I have no problem with him being "consulted" or being part of a group process, the notion that he would wield some decision-making power over the next hire should scare SU fans.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Gerry is doing a good job at Siena so far. He hasn't showed that he would be any better than what Red has done here so far. Which is, not much.

maybe. But if you watch a Siena game, and I've seen several early in the season, the players just look like they play harder and are better coached than our players. Even with a level of talent that may be below ours. And I think Donna's article Tuesday morning about the Siena-Cornell game shows there's a difference. Many of us knew there was a problem from the first game vs. LeMoyne.

 

[Red2003]

Here's where I'm at. I find it interesting that the board posters that are in the "know" have been quite lately. I have to imagine JW and others want to see if anything turns around when JJ returns. I have to imagine things are very fluid right now.

I'm willing to lose Team Melo for Hodgson or some other up and coming coach. I wanted to Red to work and I'd be happy to be wrong if by some miracle things get turned around this season.

Their silence is deafening ha.

 

[FloridaCuse]

He isn't talking about that. And he is right. There are things going on that if we changed right now, we would lose and these things could, could, pay big dividends down the road. Now, you are not wrong as well. Maybe it is better for us in the long run to rip the band aid off and start over. It just isn't as easy a call as fans would think it is.

If there are things going on that we don't know about, so be it. That's why ADJW gets the big bucks. But I believe it still may ultimately come down to one thing - Can Adrian Autry actually coach? So far there are significant questions whether he can. And, as others have pointed out on here, the problem may have been hidden last year unbeknownst to many of us.

 

[RF2044]

Here's where I'm at. I find it interesting that the board posters that are in the "know" have been quite lately. I have to imagine JW and others want to see if anything turns around when JJ returns. I have to imagine things are very fluid right now.

I'm willing to lose Team Melo for Hodgson or some other up and coming coach. I wanted to Red to work and I'd be happy to be wrong if by some miracle things get turned around this season.

I still don't think it's the Red or lose Kiyan / Carmelo dialectic that some are implying. That could certainly be an outcome. But it isn't the only one.